Naruto Uzumaki vs Son Goku Part 2 [13-2-0]

[GodlyCharmander]

A double rasengan that doubles your AP and we have to assume that this is a fresh Naruto who did not get speared by a ton of Isshiki chakra draining rods that knocked him out of SPSM. Naruto would have a higher stamina in this fight in Baryon Mode.

He's never hitting that Rasengan, Goku is literally faster in this scenario.

You acting like Shuinshin is not in Naruto arsenal to boost his speed. far higher speed when it just a 2X when shienehin is FTE and Naruto had been fighting precog users all his life and has multiple forms of pre cog.

Naruto doesn't have precognition

He can't see the future, he has DANGER SENSE and ANALYTICAL PREDICTION. Which requires him to SEE the move.

Shuinshin is not gonna work offensively, and cannot be spammed forever. What are we saying.

And Goku has always started fights with hand to hand. this is not blood lusted Goku. And he won't notice his life span being drained away until the Kaioken is gone. BM is basically Kaioken kryptionite.

"He won't notice"

Goku has ki sense, he will notice INSTANTLY. And back away.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I don't really mind your opinion, the page says he was getting weaker.

Yeah but the point still stands. Him getting weaker is a matter of his time limit running out. Not the latter. Has nothing to do with his Chakra output because even when he was "weakening", Naruto still got up and put belt to ass.

I literally told you how the fight would go. Goku has so many ways to outspeed and one shot Naruto while keeping range, it's insane.

Shushin and Substitution Jutsu are very common strats within the Naruto verse yk, it killed many Patriotic Big Shots.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Bro sasuke is subrel with MS and he reacted to sol attack thats like

Farlander.

The subrel reaction was calculated from that SoL attack. He was a GREAT distance away from the SoL attack.

Same isshiki who constanly using sukunahikona which is atleast 10 times AMP and Even sasuke and Naruto can react to rods accordingly in sixth paths i am sorry but isshiki barraged Naruto with it and it did nothing Naruto biltzed hım before he can use sukunahikona bruh are we serious are we gonna explain how ana PRE works

Sukanahikona is not an offensive attack, what are we saying... Naruto reacted to it because Naruto was faster than him, that's it.

Aoe rasengan barrage would litterally hit Naruto
You know Aoe right İTS area of effection so it will hit hım.

Goku will not just stand there and watch Naruto use an AoE attack, he will actively dodge.

Boosting your Combat speed isnt gonna save you from guy using subsutition to you and catch you plus subsutition is litterally Perception blitz level so Naruto is atleast 4 times advantage on that

Substitution doesn't boost combat speed or reaction speed, Goku would simply read Naruto's ki and counter it.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Shuinshin is not gonna work offensively, and cannot be spammed forever. What are we saying.

Okay, Body Flicker Jutsu. What now

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah but the point still stands. Him getting weaker is a matter of his time limit running out. Not the latter. Has nothing to do with his Chakra output because even when he was "weakening", Naruto still got up and put belt to ass.

Yeah because even weakened, he was stronger than Isshiki. The page literally states he gets overtime, so he gets weaker overtime. I'm sure I don't need to give you the definition of weaker, as in, "less strength than before". Naruto will only be at an disadvantage the longer the fight goes on.

Shushin and Substitution Jutsu are very common strats within the Naruto verse yk, it killed many Patriotic Big Shots.

Shushin is only a "teleportation" move. Goku has ki sense and higher speed.

Substitution is... Well, basically the same thing. Naruto can replace himself with anything he wants, Goku will just sense where he is and Teleport.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Substitution doesn't boost combat speed or reaction speed, Goku would simply read Naruto's ki and counter it.

I just want to point out 2x speed isn't a blitz btw. 2x speed amp is the difference between a High End Athletic Human vs A regular guy. Blitzing starts at Peak Human (Reactions) to Subsonic (Perception blitzing) so idk where you're getting "Naruto cannot SEE Goku" from. He will be able to see, just not as easy as the latter.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Okay, Body Flicker Jutsu. What now

Uhh, Naruto would "teleport" and Goku would just read his ki signature. I don't think you people understand that Goku will never lose track of Naruto even if he moved to a different planet.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

He's never hitting that Rasengan, Goku is literally faster in this scenario.


Naruto doesn't have precognition

He can't see the future, he has DANGER SENSE and ANALYTICAL PREDICTION. Which requires him to SEE the move.

Shuinshin is not gonna work offensively, and cannot be spammed forever. What are we saying.


"He won't notice"

Goku has ki sense, he will notice INSTANTLY. And back away.

İsshiki has life force sense until Naruto gets tired and he coughing blood
Byakugan lets you see entire chakra System and Even let you know which one is Clone and which one is Real
Sharingan can do this too
Rinnegan is Even better rinnegan can see Limbo and their chakra can see invisible beings yet İsshiki is not able to tell that his life force is drained only when he suspicious about hım coughing blood
Naruto is the one who will do blitzing he uses subsutution to catch up
Dont say we Never saw hım using cuz subs is just focusing chakra to your feet he can use that like he can still uses rasengan bruh
When he sees goku is evading hım he will definitly uses that

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I just want to point out 2x speed isn't a blitz btw. 2x speed amp is the difference between a High End Athletic Human vs A regular guy. Blitzing starts at Peak Human (Reactions) to Subsonic (Perception blitzing) so idk where you're getting "Naruto cannot SEE Goku" from

Literally when did I say THAT

I said a 2x speed gap is overwhelming to deal with in close quarters. Which it is. That's not a point of debate, that's basic math.

The larger the distance between them, then yes, Naruto could probably react.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I just want to point out 2x speed isn't a blitz btw. 2x speed amp is the difference between a High End Athletic Human vs A regular guy. Blitzing starts at Peak Human (Reactions) to Subsonic (Perception blitzing) so idk where you're getting "Naruto cannot SEE Goku" from. He will be able to see, just not as easy as the latter.

Difference values for speed basis btw

 

[GodlyCharmander]

İsshiki has life force sense until Naruto gets tired and he coughing blood
Byakugan lets you see entire chakra System and Even let you know which one is Clone and which one is Real
Sharingan can do this too
Rinnegan is Even better rinnegan can see Limbo and their chakra can see invisible beings yet İsshiki is not able to tell that his life force is drained only when he suspicious about hım coughing blood

Byakugan wouldn't let him see his own chakra.
Isshiki can't read specific energy levels, Goku can.

Naruto is the one who will do blitzing he uses subsutution to catch up

Shushin can catch up, but Naruto's body movement is still 50% slower than Goku. He is not touching him.

Dont say we Never saw hım using cuz subs is just focusing chakra to your feet he can use that like he can still uses rasengan bruh
When he sees goku is evading hım he will definitly uses that

Sure, Goku is still not gonna get touched by someone slower than him.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Yeah because even weakened, he was stronger than Isshiki. The page literally states he gets overtime, so he gets weaker overtime. I'm sure I don't need to give you the definition of weaker, as in, "less strength than before". Naruto will only be at an disadvantage the longer the fight goes on.

I'm not sure how this proves Naruto can't spam thousands of Rasengans and clones still. The weakest Naruto still has enough chakra and sheer stamina to do that lol

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Literally when did I say THAT

I said a 2x speed gap is overwhelming to deal with in close quarters. Which it is. That's not a point of debate, that's basic math.

The larger the distance between them, then yes, Naruto could probably react.

Which requires him to SEE the move.

Okay so you concede that he will see Goku to use Danger Sense and Superior ANPR. Which in turn means Naruto is fine because he'll predict everytime

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I'm not sure how this proves Naruto can't spam thousands of Rasengans and clones still. The weakest Naruto still has enough chakra and sheer stamina to do that lol

He actively doesn't do that in that mode, it's not a tactic he uses in Baryon Mode...

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Okay so you concede that he will see Goku to use Danger Sense and Superior ANPR

On my lord

The implication here is that Naruto needs to see a move to use his ANPR, not that Goku's moves are untraceable to him.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Farlander.

The subrel reaction was calculated from that SoL attack. He was a GREAT distance away from the SoL attack.


Sukanahikona is not an offensive attack, what are we saying... Naruto reacted to it because Naruto was faster than him, that's it.

Goku will not just stand there and watch Naruto use an AoE attack, he will actively dodge.

Substitution doesn't boost combat speed or reaction speed, Goku would simply read Naruto's ki and counter it.

Sub rel comes from kakashi intercepting kakuzu not sasuke reacting sol attack sasukes reaction speed is rela +
Plus the verse was lightning Timer before that but when MS showed up İTS instantly becoming light speed reactions
İ will ise 2x speed argument agaisnt you
Naruto using subs to punch goku which Even will be faster than what 2x Combat speed goku bu 4x times whats the argument pmfao

 

[R81handman]

He's never hitting that Rasengan, Goku is literally faster in this scenario.

You acting like Faster Characters in dragon ball are immune to being hit, Naruto is fast enough with shuinshen to land a blow on him with a rasengan, trickery, and speed.

Naruto doesn't have precognition

He can't see the future, he has DANGER SENSE and ANALYTICAL PREDICTION. Which requires him to SEE the move.

Not really all he just have to feel it. Naruto can see and fight invisible enemies from Limbo by sensing them.

Shuinshin is not gonna work offensively, and cannot be spammed forever. What are we saying.

It can be used in taijustu...

"He won't notice"

Goku has ki sense, he will notice INSTANTLY. And back away.

So does every Otsutuki and Isshiki with perfect chakra control and he did not notice until its too late.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I honestly give up, this will go ad infinitum. My vote is still on Goku.

Sub rel comes from kakashi intercepting kakuzu not sasuke reacting sol attack sasukes reaction speed is rela +

So Sasuke is Rel+ with reactions, not Sub-Rel. Also, Naruto is not Sasuke.

Plus the verse was lightning Timer before that but when MS showed up İTS instantly becoming light speed reactions
İ will ise 2x speed argument agaisnt you
Naruto using subs to punch goku which Even will be faster than what 2x Combat speed goku bu 4x times whats the argument pmfao

Subs doesn't make your physical body faster.

Naruto has too many shooters, I'm sick of this. Don't tag me here anymore.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

0 Correlation.. no, Negative Correlation. Naruto as we know has all the chakra in the world for those 5 minutes. Not only is he not running out of it but that will literally be his tactic to an opponent running away or trying to evade his life force draining fist Kurama is putting his all into; Do whatever it takes to touch them, even by a graze. And let's not act like Naruto isn't known for spamming attacks, especially Rasengan's, Bigger Rasengan's and Rasengan Barrage's that have 2x AP with Thousands Of Kilometers Range.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I honestly give up, this will go ad infinitum. My vote is still on Goku.

Understood. My vote goes to the 7th Hokage.

 

[R81handman]

True Resolve:
The Saiyan of Legends:
Inconclusive:

(Naruto)11 to (Goku) 2 votes. Grace started.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I’m not sure why we’re equating Isshiki with Goku when it comes to sensing their own Ki. It’s good and all that Ishhiki is prominent in Chakra or whatever energy system he utilises but can we actually be given scans, footage or even be told what type of mental state he was in during his fight with Naruto? Psyche matters a ton in fighting. Take the UFC for example, a lot of fighters like to rely on snide tactics to throw their opponent off their field game. It happens in all forms of sport, even a sport I actively take part in which is basketball. From what I remember Isshiki was pretty much getting schooled by Naruto in terms of CQC and IIRC he was making some very telling expressions, giving off the impression he was fed up of Naruto essentially BTA. It’s also important to note that just like Super Saiyan, Kaioken raises statistics and I’m pretty sure it’s more than reasonable to say it enhances senses. It technically did raise Gohan’s eyesight capacity. Eyesight obviously isn’t anything like Ki reading but it’s an aspect of Ki or more like a feature of it. Precisely, Ki sensing. 10-20x as a result of Goku’s Kaioken.

Can’t Goku just like opt for CQC measures? I don’t mean solely USING hands, rather emulating some martial arts combat with Ki blasts. The minute Naruto even attempts to block a Ki blast with his hands which he may have to due to the 2x amp, Goku would in theory be able to sense the exact potency or life force of the Ki he uses has diminished. It’d also be increasingly difficult as Charmander mentioned, trying to dodge someone at close range who also holds a speed advantage. I’m aware a 2x speed amp isn’t blitz level but it’s not any easier trying to initiate a neutral with someone who thrives on martial arts and certainly doesn’t telegraph attacks.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Brother dissmidsing arguments when we mention how impure byakugan lets you see chakra detailed so much that it can understand the mechanics of jutsus and how to null them and how subsutition makes you Perception blitzs level higher
Naruto isnt sasuke yeah but Ems is far better at those feats than MS and baryon Naruto has far better ana PRE than Even Ems sasuke
Subs does make you move faster thats accepted
Naruto has several kilometers Aoe with odama rasengan
Naruto has better Ls and Even has several meters Long chakra arms to catch hım
Naruto pressured isshiki so much that he cant Even sukunahikona to Dodge like jigen dodging Naruto and Sasukes attacks
İmagine me dissmissing Gokus double AP and one shot level kamehameha cuz Naruto just upscales from 29 foe
İmagine Thinking Goku is gonna sit there and do nothing

 

[R81handman]

I’m not sure why we’re equating Isshiki with Goku when it comes to sensing their own Ki. It’s good and all that Ishhiki is prominent in Chakra or whatever energy system he utilises but can we actually be given scans, footage or even be told what type of mental state he was in during his fight with Naruto? Psyche matters a ton in fighting. Take the UFC for example, a lot of fighters like to rely on snide tactics to throw their opponent off their field game. It happens in all forms of sport, even a sport I actively take part in which is basketball. From what I remember Isshiki was pretty much getting schooled by Naruto in terms of CQC and IIRC he was making some very telling expressions, giving off the impression he was fed up of Naruto essentially BTA. It’s also important to note that just like Super Saiyan, Kaioken raises statistics and I’m pretty sure it’s more than reasonable to say it enhances senses. It technically did raise Gohan’s eyesight capacity. Eyesight obviously isn’t anything like Ki reading but it’s an aspect of Ki or more like a feature of it. Precisely, Ki sensing. 10-20x as a result of Goku’s Kaioken.

Honestly Isshiki being able to sense BM Naruto chakra & Life Force but not his until noticing the affects shows that it a part of BM ability.

Can’t Goku just like opt for CQC measures? I don’t mean solely USING hands, rather emulating some martial arts combat with Ki blasts. The minute Naruto even attempts to block a Ki blast with his hands which he may have to due to the 2x amp, Goku would in theory be able to sense the exact potency or life force of the Ki he uses has diminished. It’d also be increasingly difficult as Charmander mentioned, trying to dodge someone at close range who also holds a speed advantage. I’m aware a 2x speed amp isn’t blitz level but it’s not any easier trying to initiate a neutral with someone who thrives on martial arts and certainly doesn’t telegraph attacks.

It's not in Goku character to do it and he wouldn't notice the life drain until it too late, where he won't be able to use the Kaioken anymore.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

I’m not sure why we’re equating Isshiki with Goku when it comes to sensing their own Ki. It’s good and all that Ishhiki is prominent in Chakra or whatever energy system he utilises but can we actually be given scans, footage or even be told what type of mental state he was in during his fight with Naruto? Psyche matters a ton in fighting. Take the UFC for example, a lot of fighters like to rely on snide tactics to throw their opponent off their field game. It happens in all forms of sport, even a sport I actively take part in which is basketball. From what I remember Isshiki was pretty much getting schooled by Naruto in terms of CQC and IIRC he was making some very telling expressions, giving off the impression he was fed up of Naruto essentially BTA. It’s also important to note that just like Super Saiyan, Kaioken raises statistics and I’m pretty sure it’s more than reasonable to say it enhances senses. It technically did raise Gohan’s eyesight capacity. Eyesight obviously isn’t anything like Ki reading but it’s an aspect of Ki or more like a feature of it. Precisely, Ki sensing. 10-20x as a result of Goku’s Kaioken.

Can’t Goku just like opt for CQC measures? I don’t mean solely USING hands, rather emulating some martial arts combat with Ki blasts. The minute Naruto even attempts to block a Ki blast with his hands which he may have to due to the 2x amp, Goku would in theory be able to sense the exact potency or life force of the Ki he uses has diminished. It’d also be increasingly difficult as Charmander mentioned, trying to dodge someone at close range who also holds a speed advantage. I’m aware a 2x speed amp isn’t blitz level but it’s not any easier trying to initiate a neutral with someone who thrives on martial arts and certainly doesn’t telegraph attacks.

İ agree but isshiki not knowing his life force is demolished and only realized when his body cells desolved goku can sense ki so does Naruto can sense chakra Even when isshikis cubes are blocking it he always knows where isshiki is isshiki only perceived his actions and isshiki only realized he was grabbed by tentacles when Naruto litterally was going to punch his face
İf something like that happens to goku then he is finished his cranium will litterally turned into melted cheese cuz of Ls
i m not telling Naruto one shots no i am telling Naruto is Even more dangerous and willing to kill so he will spam subs and use his rasengan
İsshiki despite shrinking Naruto s rasengan Naruto immeadietly poured chakra to make hundreds of meters big
Now imagine someone trying to avoid baryon Naruto what Naruto is gonna do is obviously catch them because his mindset was is this he will litterally spam subs and uses his tentacles to catch goku which would make hım 4x faster than goku at least and in Close quarters he will eventually grab hım and punch hım in the face to completely dislocate his entire Spine and turning his skull to thousand shattered pieces

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I’m not sure why we’re equating Isshiki with Goku when it comes to sensing their own Ki.

No one is comparing them. Its logical questioning. "If Isshiki could not detect his own life force slowly draining from his body when hit, then could Goku also do such?"
Everything presented for Goku are examples of evidence that Isshiki can also do/have or exist in the Narutoverse. Such as Shinobi's being able to tell their own life span decreasing. Nagato using the Rennigan drained him to frazzle, Momoshiki drains Naruto of 50% of his Chakra, The God Tree slowly killing all humans by draining their life energy while within the Infinite Tsukuyomi and The Otsuktsuki creating Chakra fruit that drains all life energy from the planet. All roads lead to death. Why can Goku sense this if Isshiki could not?

Psyche matters a ton in fighting. Take the UFC for example, a lot of fighters like to rely on snide tactics to throw their opponent off their field game. It happens in all forms of sport, even a sport I actively take part in which is basketball. From what I remember Isshiki was pretty much getting schooled by Naruto in terms of CQC and IIRC he was making some very telling expressions, giving off the impression he was fed up of Naruto essentially BTA

UFC fighters are not fighting to the death. Isshiki was fighting while not only weakening but losing his literal life energy. This was not detected in the moment. You cannot compare level headed or even berserker fighters irl to a character losing their essence. So potent that it kills them. Its very odd this is brought up to justify "Why can't isshiki sense that he is dying"

It technically did raise Gohan’s eyesight capacity. Eyesight obviously isn’t anything like Ki reading but it’s an aspect of Ki or more like a feature of it. Precisely, Ki sensing. 10-20x as a result of Goku’s Kaioken.

Very interesting, however Naruto has a counter. He has superiority Analytic Prediction aswell as evading abilities such as shushin which is a blitz amplifier, substitution jutsu and Body Flicker which also increases speed. Naruto is good aslong as he can keep up, which with these abilities and skills, im confident he will be able to. He has fought against other prediction based abilities in the past.

Can’t Goku just like opt for CQC measures? I don’t mean solely USING hands, rather emulating some martial arts combat with Ki blasts. The minute Naruto even attempts to block a Ki blast with his hands which he may have to due to the 2x amp, Goku would in theory be able to sense the exact potency or life force of the Ki he uses has diminished.

Naruto can one up Goku by amping his own attacks by 2x with Massive Rasengan Barrage which cancels out Goku's own 2x amps, increasing output with thousands of clones. That's a good tactic aswell however, Naruto doesn't block attacks usually as he is wary of attacks that may impose his regeneration. Most likely to evade, which is can do by using Chakra Arms for better malnuverabilty and acrobatic skill which is on his profile.

It’d also be increasingly difficult as Charmander mentioned, trying to dodge someone at close range who also holds a speed advantage. I’m aware a 2x speed amp isn’t blitz level but it’s not any easier trying to initiate a neutral with someone who thrives on martial arts and certainly doesn’t telegraph attacks.

True. I acknowledge the 2x speed amp. It is not something to play with. However Goku cannot maintain x20 kaioken forever aswell as. As long as Naruto can see Goku, he can predict his moves very easily. His speed advantage does not handicap Naruto. Naruto can counter this with his own abilities

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

As I said before, the ability acts like a poison without the enemy knowing which is essentially what occurred. By the time goku realizes his health bar is 20%, it'd be far too late because Kaioken x10 and x20 depleting his life force little by little when boosted by BM's own ability will have already done a greater deal than Isshiki's life force gradually running out on its own. Again, and you seem to have forgotten this, This won't be a solo accomplishment by Naruto alone, Goku's own transformation/technique is actively killing him aswell. Its like Inducing a crazy bleed effect in a video game on a move that deletes your health with every usage.

I will bring up back this point. Again We are forgetting, Goku isn't unhittable. And that works terrible in his favor because BM is a heavy counter to Goku's Kaioken.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

People not Even mentioned how skilled Naruto is they Even accepted that goku is more skilled
Naruto ana PRE and his jutsus will be more than enough to deal with this
Good luck to the people trying to prove BM isnt better than Spsm and Ems Sensing ( anapre as well ) cuz thats not gonna happen
Three tomoe Sharingan makes you see what your opponent is going to do and let you see your opponents attack before he Even began to make the move
Have i say enough
Jesus i get toxic i am sorry if i make any of you feel tired and doesnt wanna discuss
İ am Truly sorry we doesnt have to be bashfull to each other be well and take care bros

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Jesus i get toxic i am sorry if i make any of you feel tired and doesnt wanna discuss
İ am Truly sorry we doesnt have to be bashfull to each other be well and take care bros

I apologize if I got toxic at any point aswell.

 

[Raiden38]

Naruto FRA

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Has anyone counted the votes and what time is the Grace starts ?

 

[Raiden38]

(Naruto) 11 a (Goku) 2 voti. Grace ha iniziato.

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With me 12

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well the answer lies in this, what rank are the aforementioned in the shinobi world each? Given your point focuses on Belts within Martial arts. The ninja world also has ranks given to those who exceed a certain level. Traditionally, a Genin is more skilled than a Academy Student, A Chunin is more skilled than a Genin, a Jonin is more skilled than a Chunin and so forth.

Yes however things can change if higher quantity becomes a factor. To use your example, that chunin may be skilled enough to fight one genin but that alone wouldn't immediately justify them being able to fight 1000 of them just because they're skilled enough to body one individually

The reason for that is because they aren't fighting one individual anymore they're fighting 1000.

Hashirama is on a Kages level, and not just any Kage's level, the strongest, fastest, most skilled and talented to have ever immersed. Madara, being his rival is on that level and they have Battles leading up to this point that show for it.

Yes I'm not denying that but what I am saying is that out of all of the skill feats they have, them soloing armies isn't exactly as impressive compared to their other feats simply due to their context

Like Shisui was the most skilled Uchiha for his time, but also the strongest. There is visual evidence that showcases his skill and strength, aswell as people glazing him, categorizing him and telling his story. So do the aforementioned Madara and Hashirama. They're outclassing every ninja to ever exist because the narrative tells us they're unmatched God Of Shinobis.

So basically your saying the reason Shinobi with legendary tittles can solo armies is because of both strength AND skill, not just skill alone?

Because if so that kinda catters to my point even more as it typically requires way more skill to solo and army with just skill alone rather than doing that with a stat gap

I'm not saying it doesn't require any skill at all but it would require a lot LESS than to do it with solely skill and nothing else

Put them as the same strength as any regular shinobi and their skills are still unfathomed.

They're skill is still higher than the average shinobi, nobody is denying that but without the stat gap things would be significantly harder for them which makes it hard to quantify

Absence of Evidence is Not Evidence Of Absence.

Begging the question is still a thing

 

[R81handman]

Has anyone counted the votes and what time is the Grace starts ?

Like five hours ago

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Like five hours ago

Thanks

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Yes however things can change if higher quantity becomes a factor. To use your example, that chunin may be skilled enough to fight one genin but that alone wouldn't immediately justify them being able to fight 1000 of them just because they're skilled enough to body one individually

The reason for that is because they aren't fighting one individual anymore they're fighting 1000.

That is factual. A Madara with the same stats of your average Jonin, maybe even 10 will be a easy fight. But a 1000 is unsure for sure. I dont doubt Madara's skill but I also don't doubt your judgement. Madara is for sure more skilled than 10,000 people but can he solo 10,000 people at their level of power? Im not confident enough to push that narrative now lol.

So basically your saying the reason Shinobi with legendary tittles can solo armies is because of both strength AND skill, not just skill alone?

Because if so that kinda catters to my point even more as it typically requires way more skill to solo and army with just skill alone rather than doing that with a stat gap

I'm not saying it doesn't require any skill at all but it would require a lot LESS than to do it with solely skill and nothing else

Yep, this was my original point. Their titles are given based on every physical category. Meaning Madara is both strong and skilled, earning his title as the greatest level showcase of strength AND skill. I will not deny, Madara using his stat advantage did beat that Army and the many others he's faced, but his skill is undoubtable.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

That is factual. A Madara with the same stats of your average Jonin, maybe even 10 will be a easy fight. But a 1000 is unsure for sure. I dont doubt Madara's skill but I also don't doubt your judgement. Madara is for sure more skilled than 10,000 people but can he solo 10,000 people at their level of power? Im not confident enough to push that narrative now lol.


Yep, this was my original point. Their titles are given based on every physical category. Meaning Madara is both strong and skilled, earning his title as the greatest level showcase of strength AND skill. I will not deny, Madara using his stat advantage did beat that Army and the many others he's faced, but his skill is undoubtable.

Him defeating armies in physical combat and taijutsu (even using their weaponry) is the showcase of combat skill. The majority of the work however was achieved by physical stats.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Chammander fighting the fight of his life rn

 

[MochOath]

I vote for Goku.

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Naruto wins

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Naruto FRA

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Naruto FRA

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Goku FRA.

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Voting Naruto FRA

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Naruto FRA.

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Furry blond guy FRA

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Looks like Naruto FRA

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i'll side with Naruto here winning 50,0001% of the time

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Naruto FRA THEN

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Naruto for the reasons I stated and FRA.

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My vote goes to the 7th Hokage.

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Naruto FRA

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Naruto fra

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