Naruto Uzumaki vs Son Goku Part 2 [13-2-0]

[MannyQ361]

Voting Goku fra.

 

[MochOath]

Voting Goku fra.

counted

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That is factual. A Madara with the same stats of your average Jonin, maybe even 10 will be a easy fight. But a 1000 is unsure for sure. I dont doubt Madara's skill but I also don't doubt your judgement. Madara is for sure more skilled than 10,000 people but can he solo 10,000 people at their level of power? Im not confident enough to push that narrative now lol.

Yeah thats sorta what I mean here

When you say "Madara can solo armies" and use that as a skill feat generally most people immedietely assume "ok this guy can solo armies through pure skill and nothing else!" so when there's uncertanty the feat becomes alot less tangible

Yep, this was my original point. Their titles are given based on every physical category. Meaning Madara is both strong and skilled, earning his title as the greatest level showcase of strength AND skill. I will not deny, Madara using his stat advantage did beat that Army and the many others he's faced, but his skill is undoubtable.

Yeah, I get that

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

No one is comparing them. Its logical questioning. "If Isshiki could not detect his own life force slowly draining from his body when hit, then could Goku also do such?"
Everything presented for Goku are examples of evidence that Isshiki can also do/have or exist in the Narutoverse. Such as Shinobi's being able to tell their own life span decreasing. Nagato using the Rennigan drained him to frazzle, Momoshiki drains Naruto of 50% of his Chakra, The God Tree slowly killing all humans by draining their life energy while within the Infinite Tsukuyomi and The Otsuktsuki creating Chakra fruit that drains all life energy from the planet. All roads lead to death. Why can Goku sense this if Isshiki could not?

Goku should be able to. Ki Manipulation does have clairvoyance IIRC and that specific clairvoyance allows users of certain proficiency to visualise what’s happening in real time. As long as it concerns Ki, then Goku should naturally be notified or alert that something unusual is going. I also feel as though information analysis is an overlooked ability Goku has since he’s able to sense intentions. I’m well aware Naruto isn’t the type to lead with killing unless he’s influenced with SBA or match formatting but with how BM works, Naruto is essentially going for the kill with each hit. I don’t see how each hit wouldn’t be with the intent to kill seeing how it’s draining life force which is something that would gradually kill Goku. It also doesn’t help that Goku’s Ki sensing via I.T spans as far as universal ranges, which he’s able to do without much effort. From what I recall but that doesn’t seem to be on profiles for whatever reason. Im guessing the reason has to do with the feat taking place in DBS manga but I’m not sure if that’s a fair reason to say DBZ Goku shouldn’t have it.

Assuming Goku is leading towards manoeuvrability, I’m sure he’d come off with a skilful tactic to deduce what’s going on. This is more of a contingency plan if the first fails but Goku could honestly rely on space creation. If Naruto gets too close he can use Kaioken in bursts to evade seeing how he has a 2x speed advantage. If he still somehow gets tagged he can counteract by flexing his aura to fling Naruto as a consequence of trying to lead with CQC. I’m pretty sure just like any aura, Kaioken can act as a shield for Goku, disallowing any incoming attacks such as the Rasengan seeing how Goku holds the AP advantage.

The neat thing is that even with ANPR, Naruto would be forced into a position of having to block unless he has speed amps of himself to evade a Ki bomb essentially. Since Chakra is rooted in everything similar to Ki, Goku would be able to deduce the weakening of his AOE Aura due to BM’s passive life drain. He should also be able to see Chakra imbued in his fists which is what Naruto is somewhat relying on since BM needs contact and needs hits for the best possible results.

UFC fighters are not fighting to the death. Isshiki was fighting while not only weakening but losing his literal life energy. This was not detected in the moment. You cannot compare level headed or even berserker fighters irl to a character losing their essence. So potent that it kills them. Its very odd this is brought up to justify "Why can't isshiki sense that he is dying

Eh. Some UFC fighters to lead to think they’re fighting to death. It’s a mindset they adopt to tell themselves that this is a real thing. It’s not some recreational activity like street fighter for example, even the slightest bit of vulnerability can allow for devastating or life changing effects. It might have not been the best example and in a way, you’re right. Fiction is far too unrealistic to non fiction, I meant more the mental aspect. But it’s also important to remind ourselves that Goku’s senses are amplified by a large margin. It’ll take some draining for Goku’s amp to be considered moot.

Very interesting, however Naruto has a counter. He has superiority Analytic Prediction aswell as evading abilities such as shushin which is a blitz amplifier, substitution jutsu and Body Flicker which also increases speed. Naruto is good aslong as he can keep up, which with these abilities and skills, im confident he will be able to. He has fought against other prediction based abilities in the past.

Fair enough. How are the blitz level amps activated? Are they thought based or? Just to be sure since I wouldn’t want to misinterpret something I’m not well versed on. Also in terms of Chakra depletion how do they stand? Because Goku could hypothetically force Naruto to fend off with his aura which could be somewhat of a deterrence if used as sudden AOE. The only way I could see Naruto penetrating is through immaterial hax that Goku doesn’t resist or can’t interact with. Ki has NPI, Ki aura fundamentally being Ki so yeah.

Naruto can one up Goku by amping his own attacks by 2x with Massive Rasengan Barrage which cancels out Goku's own 2x amps, increasing output with thousands of clones. That's a good tactic aswell however, Naruto doesn't block attacks usually as he is wary of attacks that may impose his regeneration. Most likely to evade, which is can do by using Chakra Arms for better malnuverabilty and acrobatic skill which is on his profile.

What if Goku were to theoretically use this sort of tactic?

I know the Ki bombs were used to catch Frieza off guard I moreso mean to stick to Naruto forcing him to block. As long as Goku has the upper speed advantage in THAT moment he should be able to track Naruto’s movements and he could detonate the Ki like bombs that’ll envelope Naruto. If Naruto was to dodge there’s still Kiai, which can be used to send Naruto flying yet again. It’s also invisible but who knows, Naruto might have some ways around it. Also does Naruto even have any social influencing of his own or resistance to it? I can’t seem to find it anywhere but due to equalisation of Ki and Chakra could Goku just not keep instil fear in Naruto? I’m not saying it would happen constantly since it’s PL based but even split second vulnerability can be effective.

True. I acknowledge the 2x speed amp. It is not something to play with. However Goku cannot maintain x20 kaioken forever aswell as. As long as Naruto can see Goku, he can predict his moves very easily. His speed advantage does not handicap Naruto. Naruto can counter this with his own abilities

That’s true it’s why I’ve been using short bursts as an example. He’s not going to actively be in Kaioken x20. He’ll be transitioning. When he finds an opening he should be able to comfortably use KKx20 to harm Naruto, that way Goku’s Ki isn’t leaking as much.

I know this thread has been concluded or is close to conclusion but I js wanted to reply

 

[Foriaa]

Damn Goku losing to Naruto

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Damn Goku losing to Naruto

People on reddit are gonna lose their minds

 

[Foriaa]

Was thinking of making Shibai vs Z fighters

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Was thinking of making Shibai vs Z fighters

Bullying.

 

[R81handman]

4 hours left until Grace is done.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Was thinking of making Shibai vs Z fighters

How would that even work when Z fighters aren’t even remotely haxxed? You’re better off using someone else from a different continuity like Future Warrior 2 maybe. Maybe one of his weaker keys with some restrictions or something. He’s underutilised for some reason and needs to be used more than just mainline characters.

 

[Kellex]

Was thinking of making Shibai vs Z fighters

RIP Z fighters

 

[R81handman]

Grace is done. I think someone should close this thread and apply the results

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Can this be closed