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Wont do it again mb
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Adding NEP 1 and BDE 1, along with some interaction additions with them.
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I am p sure that would make the WOV NEP-3 though and not an actual void that lacks "existence" and everything as such "nothing" because "Fusion" presupposes "something" to fuse with in the first place now obviously we have the classic, "It's fiction dude" but in either case I feel like this would be a Sagan Standard victim without explicit evidence and the OP doesn't justify this position. That's all from me, you can guys can decide the rest.
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BDE Temporal dimension
Killerdrone123
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As said many times on the wiki fiction can make exceptions to and it doesn't have to adhere to common logic or in this case real life logic,zamasu fusing with wov just means that he is capable of interacting with non existent realms and becoming one with them
Wov has clear statement of lacking space and time(not to mention it was straight up called a void)
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Zamasu should have NEP 1 because he became one with the void, and this also happened with Akuto Sai, who previously had NEP 2 only because he merged with the anti-universe, which is a void of nothingness that transcends... Therefore, I think that merging with a void also grants NEP, as happened with Akuto and most characters who merged with voids.
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The difference is Zamasu is merging with it Akuto had it because he became Void which is blatant NEP 1
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Killerdrone123
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I am really not knowledgeable on akuto sai verse there can be more context to it and as I said before you need more evidence for nep
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I think it’s strange to merge with a void and not have NEP 1, honestly, because you become completely one with it, and of course you would inherit its properties. If you say he merged with it but doesn’t have the nature of the void, that’s a contradiction. However, I will see what the staff think about this matter.
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Because hes not becoming the void hes fusing with a void that has no time or space and the hypertimeline which is literally the timeline. The wov justifications are written like they are within the timeline so its either the wov is nep3 or exists outside the timeline and the zamasu gets nep3 or smtgn
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Anti-Universe iirc was actually NEP and not a space-time.
That is not the case here, since Zamasu is also merging with the timeline.
What you're doing is essentially trying to give space-time itself BDE1 or NEP (Aspect: Space, Time)... that sounds illogical in itself
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It is not only that his form is also directly named as Void Body. That is what the novel literally calls it. OP is doing whataboutism atp
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Zamasu ultimately merged with everything in the higher timeline, including the higher timeline itself, as is evident from the initial spread across existence, and this is generally accepted. Therefore, it would naturally include all locations within the higher timeline in the end.
It seems that, for some reason, these voids are being treated as part of the higher timeline, and this is what justifies Zeno having interaction with such things in his profile in the first place, by erasing the higher timeline that includes them, as I previously explained to you.
- Time; can erase the timeline, which includes the World of Void,[1] a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space.[14][15] Even the , which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space[16]).
Astral_Trinity439
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no, they aren't. Zeno likely has NPI on these voids because he can erase everything.
Zamasu is not the same here. It is clearly said that he became space and time itself, and you are proposing they get BDE1 or NEP on space-time aspects... no matter how much you explain it as "it was accepted before/here etc etc.", that does not justify the fact that you're giving BDE1 to something or someone that is space and time itself...
Mbpoops
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So this completely nukes nep1 wov since its within the hypertimeline
This should also be removed since its clearly not bde1 or nep1
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Anyway, i disagree with the thread; fusing with timeline do not gonna get IZ these abilities. At best you get NPI as Killerdrone have said, but it is redundant since Ki also have those NPI
Nothing stop a fiction having a localized void within a dimensional structure
Anyway, i disagree with the thread; fusing with timeline do not gonna get IZ these abilities. At best you get NPI as Killerdrone have said, but it is redundant since Ki also have those NPI
He can still retains his AE1 because he is that way before merging with the timeline, so the timeline act as his body, but the justification need some rework yeah
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Disagree fra
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I think you know that Zamasu eventually merged with everything within the hyper timeline, and with the hyper timeline itself as well.
Haha, we all saw how Zamasu started spreading across existence, so how can you deny that he merged with everything inside the hyper timeline and with the hyper timeline itself too?
Anyway, I guess I’m the fool trying to help Dragon Ball fans. We all saw how Zamasu’s spread began across the hyper timeline, and yet it’s still being denied. I hate bringing up Dragon Ball topics for this reason. Even after saying all this, some people will still try to convince me (don’t bother yourself).
I said it before and I’ll say it again today: I will not be convinced by something that is not true.
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Hey why are you suddenly being toxic?
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No one is denying he fused with the hyper timeline..? Thats literally the reason he has 4D-eventually 6D HDE because he is the hypertimeline. Your arguments for BDE1 and NEP dont hold because he is fusing with both space and time and not space and time at the same time how can someone be beyond dimensional existence if they are space and time same with nep1
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It doesn’t really matter. Merging with the hyper timeline doesn’t prevent him from having BDE 1 and NEP 1, as far as I know. He would only possess these traits in part of himself. In short, he would have BDE 1 and NEP 1 only in the aspects of his existence that are covered by the void fusion, not across his entire ontological structure.
This also requires discussion. For example, Zamasu merged with all existence (voids, timelines, spaces, concepts, etc.), so in that case he should logically possess all the corresponding attributes. Granting one thing while excluding another is a clear and explicit selective distinction.
What seems clear to me is that the parts involving voids would have NEP 1 and BDE 1, but not his entire existence as a whole—only the segments tied to void realms. This would make full interaction with him impossible, since even if his timeline and spatial aspects are destroyed, the aspects tied to void realms would remain unaffected, and so on. I will also open a dedicated thread with the staff regarding this matter.
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Ill leave it at this. Op doesnt even provide scans supporting bde1 or nep and contradicts himself because hes basically saying zamasu is simultaneously space-time not space-time and above space-time
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disagree due to reasons above
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The argument you presented is completely clear and does not need any complication.
Zamasu merged with everything within the hyper timeline, and with the hyper timeline itself as well. This means he also merged with the voids existing inside the hyper timeline, which possess an NEP 1 and BDE 1 nature, as shown in the cosmology page. So do not say that I have not provided evidence.
Since he merged with the voids, he would only have NEP 1 and BDE 1 in those specific parts of his existence that are connected to the voids, not across his entire existence. In simple terms, if someone tries to erase the part of his existence merged with the voids, they would be unable to interact with it because that portion has NEP 1 and BDE 1 properties. Meanwhile, his existence in other regions outside the voids could still be destroyed. This also applies to concepts, which is why he has AC1. So in short, his existence is divided across all of existence and merged with everything, and can be destroyed from different angles depending on the abilities used. For example:
He has 6D HDE for the aspect of his existence that merged with the hyper timeline. However, he can still be destroyed within the hyper timeline through his cosmic existence spread across 3D and 4D space. But an entity with 2C attack potency would not be able to interact with his hyper timeline–merged aspect that has only 6D HDE. It could still destroy his 3D and 4D spatial aspects, but he would still exist through the hyper timeline and the voids, assuming that character cannot interact with BDE 1 and NEP 1. Therefore, the part of his existence that includes the voids would remain intact.
In short, fully erasing infinite Zamasu would require a character capable of interacting with (AC1, 6D HDE, BDE 1, NEP 1, and all other aspects tied to the voids).
ExcelsisBerny
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This CRT looks solid.
Disagree with the OP.
Disagree with the OP.
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What do the rest of the staff think about this matter?
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I'm aligning with Vietthai at the moment.
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Can you justify to me even one reason why you agree with him?
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Simply because of how we treat omnipresence.
Sometimes verses have Omnipresent Characters, and those verses may also have realms made up of information or data, but we don't give them Abstract Existence for Information & Data because of that.
Edit: It's the same way we don't give beings stated to be Omnipotent in their verses, every ability demonstrated.
Sometimes verses have Omnipresent Characters, and those verses may also have realms made up of information or data, but we don't give them Abstract Existence for Information & Data because of that.
Edit: It's the same way we don't give beings stated to be Omnipotent in their verses, every ability demonstrated.
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The issue here is not that, but rather that this is a different case altogether and actually qualifies as a feat.
Infinite Zamasu ultimately merged with everything within the Super Timeline, including the Super Timeline itself, which granted him 6D HDE and AC1. However, he should also possess NEP1 and BDE1 as well, since he merged with the voids too, and those voids possess a NEP1 and BDE1 nature. This is a feat and should be treated as such.
To clarify, I am not saying that his entire being would possess NEP1 and BDE1 simply because he became existence itself. Rather, the NEP1 and BDE1 aspects would only apply to the specific part of him that merged with the voids, not to his whole existence. Only the “void portion” would have those properties, because Zamasu merged with literally everything.
For example, he currently has 6D HDE because he also merged with the Super Timeline, yet his existence within three-dimensional and four-dimensional space is still vulnerable to 2-C to 2-A level characters, since that part of his existence falls within their range. They can destroy Zamasu across the entire 4D range, but they simply cannot affect the 6D extent of his existence. The same logic applies here: such entities would not be able to interact with the portion of Zamasu that possesses NEP1 and BDE1 through merging with those voids. In other words, they cannot affect that specific part unless they can interact with NEP1 and BDE1 in the first place.
In short, permanently and completely erasing Zamasu would require an entity capable of interacting with his 6D HDE, BDE1, NEP1, aspects, and AC1. That is necessary in order to truly eliminate him.
Zamasu should possess NEP1 and BDE1 only in the section of himself that merged with the voids, not throughout his entire being. That is the point I am trying to make, and it does not contradict him possessing all of these properties simultaneously, because Zamasu is a special case here and the situation can be organized through the nature of his merger.
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The main issue with this argument is that it assumes the merger automatically preserves the void’s nature, but that has not actually been proven.
Right now, the argument is essentially: “Infinite Zamasu merged with everything, including the voids. The voids have NEP1 and BDE1 qualities. Therefore, the part of Zamasu that merged with those voids should also have NEP1 and BDE1.”
But there are at least two possible interpretations here.
Right now, the argument is essentially: “Infinite Zamasu merged with everything, including the voids. The voids have NEP1 and BDE1 qualities. Therefore, the part of Zamasu that merged with those voids should also have NEP1 and BDE1.”
But there are at least two possible interpretations here.
- One interpretation is that Zamasu merged with the voids and retained their nature, meaning that some “portion” of him became non-existent or beyond-dimensional in the same way the voids were.
- However, another equally possible interpretation is that once Zamasu merged with the voids, those voids stopped functioning as independent voids and became part of an existent being. In that case, the voids would no longer retain their original NEP1 or BDE1 nature, because they were absorbed into Zamasu’s larger existence.
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I think the first interpretation is the correct one, while the second interpretation you mentioned is incorrect, because after Infinite Zamasu merged with everything, he did not actually alter the nature of anything. Everything remained exactly as it was (the higher timeline, universes, space, planets, concepts, etc.). All of these things still retained their original nature; the only thing that happened is that Zamasu himself became those things.
Zamasu did not merge through his physical body in the first place. His body, soul, and everything about him were completely destroyed, and after that he himself became everything. That is what happened here. So there is nothing in this process that would corrupt or overwrite the nature of other things, especially since everything remained intact after the merger. In other words, he became everything itself while the nature of those things did not change.
Besides, if we follow the logic you are proposing, then he should not possess HDE, AC, and the other levels either. The second interpretation seems unlikely because Zamasu himself lost everything and was destroyed; what happened afterward is that he became everything without changing the nature of anything. There is also no evidence supporting the idea that the nature of things was altered, because that never happened to the higher timeline, universes, planets, space, or concepts. So that assumption honestly does not seem correct.
The first interpretation appears to be the correct one in this case, since there is nothing that contradicts it.
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Since it comes down to interpretation, you can wait for another staff member to give theirs, but as of now I'm not convinced to change my vote.
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I feel like you're one of the biggest Dragon Ball fans in the world.Bump
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