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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Nonynho
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if he looks at her, it is done and by being 60m away, yeah, he's going to.
you kinda have to be sure it does, because even if it doesn't lead to killing, incapping is also gg
Anyone that has to look at her to try winning and can't counter the effects of Disturbing Presence is gg
@Dragonite007 before i study more to try and debate if she can somehow deal with Ainz even in SBA (i feel like i won't lol)
Seems like Elizabeth will occupy the 5th position with speed equal
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Noita is literally a roguelike and is heavily variable. There is no one notable time of the feat in the game you can list.
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"Any notable events around the time of the feat" That doesn't exist, it's an open world roguelike, any references given would once more just be "Noita" repeated a trillion times and and what we use the referencing system for (so that if scans get removed and what not people can verify their existence) is just already there, if you google noita supernova, noita more love, or literally any of the relevant subject matters you'll get pointed in the direction of the relevant sources anyways
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It's a ****** Roguelike, at least do the basic research before assuming there's a relevant time for the feat lmfao
Nonynho
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striking strength seems to be a main defining criteria and his is never 9-A
but i guess he'd be going far in 9-B
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Oh yeah, I forgot the 9-A key was for wands, could reach 9-A, but that'd be through leg day stacking and mean they could reach any tier, so whoops
Uuuuuh, everyone up to 6th gets got by More Love, 6th gets hit with Omega Black Hole, Poly, or your choice of **** everything in that direction + Lifetime reduced Cessation, 5, 4 and 3 all get More Loved, no idea why Slappy is tying with a Critter but he gets More Love and then there was gelt
Honestly wondering if he has anything against the infinite potency transmutation resistance, but reaper can correct me if I'm wrong
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Turning him into gold on the body, mind, soul, information 2, conceptual 1, level. If not that, then Gelt just melts anything metal on him and runs circles around him spamming SoL beams on Quicksilver.
But I don't see how they stop Morgan Yu from just... blastfucking him. Or how he beats WaBS which has busted passive thanks to shattering IIRC
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Yeah that does it
WaB absolutely beats the noita, I'm just saying they should also just beat slappy 6 ways to saturday (why is slappy tied with them, genuinely)
Morgan gets hit with infinite potency mind/empath hax passively, and if that (somehow) doesn't do it, the homing blitzing omega black hole off a single wand cast should do the job
Edit: There's also the invul/immunity/high 3-A dura but like, that's just insurance at this point
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Rikimarox2
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Is the More Loved stuff the whole inf mind potency stuff? If it's Mind, I don't really see it affecting Neo. Then again, I'm not exactly sure what the hell is the Omega Black Hole stuff or the poly stuff (and if they are passive). That said, Neo can simply resurrect from practically anything, and has thought-based shenanigans.
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More love is passive infinite mind (well empath but potato potato) hax yeah
Omega Black Hole is literally just a spell that sends a black hole at someone (which inlcude homing and whatnot, and also blitzes at this tier given it can be made to go well faster than the SoL spells), poly refers to all the branches of the polymorphine effect, of which the noita has various ways to do it like spawning in squidward with monstrous powder, or through their own transmutation effects, mainly through the circle of metaphorpasis spell, which negates the abilities of other creatures and so on (though if the null part of that will work is a seperate matter), and yeah neo can ress but the issue is that he only has five lives vs the noita who can do this shit ad nuauseum (there's also an argument for them passively killing him on the matter of electrify in theory being high 3-A but that's a whole other can of worms), or doing arbitarily high into 3-A amounts of damage per instant whenever he spawns back in
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Rikimarox2
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The thing is, are all of those passives or thought-based? Additionally, I assume since Noita has Uni level via prep, then the distance would be 4km? If so, then yeah, I guess he can win. Although Noita won't actually be able to keep Neo dead for 24 hours (since iirc, the 5 stacks isn't an actual limit, and more like how many times he can resurrect a day, and he can stay dead for a period of time and come back, hence he can come back after an hour or so), and that maybe Neo could eventually just, adapt and gain a fuckton of new abilities (or hell, even become a Mythic key eventually), but it's very debatable. If the range isn't 4KM and Noita's stuff isn't thought-based, I'd argue Neo can just insta-win, but otherwise, I'll just give it to Noita.
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It's eh on being thought-based or not, wands don't exactly have like, a minimum time to use from what I can remember, you click and woops there goes the entire screen with no real known minimum cast time, but there is a cooldown time
Less prep and more optimization of wands (you can basically imagine them having an arbitarily high number in any stat but dura, which is just a flat high 3-A), but yeah (the prep stuff is something they can't pull off in battle because they require setting specific things that wouldn't be present on earth, beyond like, Fungal Shifts, but those are also weird and if we let them set those up before battle then we have further problems)
But yeah they have 4km range easily
Huh, neat
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Alice speed blitzes to hell and back.
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Also Alice being still within the 9A rankings is a testament to how little people care for that tier because holy hell how is she still up there.
How the hell is there still a spot left.
How the hell is there still a spot left.
Nonynho
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speed is equalized, and just by him seeing her, he's prone to the effects of Disturbing Presence
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Pretty sure speed equal is only applicable if it allows them to beat that spot but if they can't beat anyone higher with speed equal or beat alice in speed unequal. They would share the spot with that note
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Speed amps still work in speed equalized though...? If those effects arent instant then I dont see how this becomes a issue. Alice speed and perception amp is slow motion ^3. She would have stabbed her a million times and over before Liz moved a single centimeter
Nonynho
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Even if she's unable to think before he moves
Because he looked at her, Disturbing Presence procs, gg.
The point is she can get much much farther with speed equalized, that's why she'll be sharing the 5th position with Isaac, not that position with Alice
Nonynho
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That's the exact reason why she ain't getting higher, because there are people who can just gg her without looking at her
But whoever needs to look at her or just simply does, it's gg
Lou_change
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Does anyone in 8-C besides God of War wraiths, the guys in second, and maybe Kim and Shana have a way to survive boo speed unequalized
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Going by the page, the effect doesnt seem instant, nor guaranteed for that matter. Alice powered through genuinly horrific shit, so unless we are talking about instant lethal mind hax, Alice thinks and stabs it to death before she gets knocked out or killed by its presence
Nonynho
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The effect of Disturbing Presence procs as soon as the encounter with a creature begins, it is not possible to engage any creature from close to medium range without Disturbing Presence's immediate activation, and even if you try sniping it from far away, if it needs looking, you gotta resist Disturbing Presence or it's gg too.
Alice may have been through anything, if she doesn't deal with them layers, it's not going to do anything
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K, it is what it is.
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So, number 3 in 8-C either gets petrified by Gorgons or just deadass can't do anything to Wraiths. But 4 and 5 have nonexistent for their information/concept and can't be affected by the GoW monsters for the most part. So how does this work?
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I mean im gonna be plain I'm not even sure why the president is still that high up in the list from what I remember of the last time i read the gamer, but Shana prolly beats him, and apparently just starts with time stop off rip so I'm not sure the GoW people actually win there
(also what do you mean nonexistent information/concept for nuclear throne? They just hit you with radiation so potent it can kill people literally made out of the stuff)
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I meant for Shana, forgot about Nuclear Throne. As for Prez, looking at a Gorgon would do him in instantly, since it also applies to just looking at them, rather than their beams.
If that's the best Nuclear Throne has then it should probably be Shana, then the monsters then prez or Nuclear Throne. Prolly prez cause of his regen + immortality.
Lou_change
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Shana's NEP is said to "drastically reducing the effect they have on it through their actions" it be being the world and they can also alter the degree of nonexistence.
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Is this an argument that she loses to prez/the monsters?
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The president's regen is not all that, it still takes his a noticeable amount of time to come back and nuclear throne one touches him, especially the throne itself
Lou_change
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No just trying to figure out context it's not particularly clear
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Hm, then it should probably be;
3. Shana_(Shakugan_no_Shana)
4.Characters from God of War (Sirens, Wraiths, and Gorgons)
5. Characters from Nuclear Throne
6. The President (The Gamer)
Also, is there smth special I'm missing about Kim? At a glance, that 8-C key seems to not have an answer to Shana or a Wraith/Gorgon/Siren.
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You're not missing much on Kim, he just weaseled an incon on Trazyn and beat Nuclear Throne.
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Looking at his profle, he doesn't have an answer for President's time stop either. So he loses to No.3 through 6.
Also, have to ask it for posterity but does Trazyn handle sight-based petrification?
Lou_change
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He technically has the unused wish would that be anything.
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By being a robot with no proper soul, mind, or eyes to speak of.
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Pretty sure most of the chars just kill him before he pops the wish.
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Gorgons can petrify statues and automatons. And it also works on being looked at and looking at them.
