Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[DaReaperMan]

Gorgons can petrify statues and automatons.

And those are basically magic.

And it also works on being looked at and looking at them.

Yeah and Trazyn opens with pick a gesture-based instant-win technology-based hax through a thick wall of trees, and if he's got optional equipment, he's not even a proper part of the timeline anymore.

 

[Planck69]

And those are basically magic.

I mean, automatons are just, well, automatons. Robots made by Daedalus.

Yeah and Trazyn opens with pick a gesture-based instant-win technology-based hax through a thick wall of trees, and if he's got optional equipment, he's not even a proper part of the timeline anymore.

If he's inherently outside of time and their range then sure I suppose.

 

[Lou_change]

Pretty sure most of the chars just kill him before he pops the wish.

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like I have to note this: The more monstrous something is, the more likely Trazyn is to just auto collect it before he even sees it because he knows where it starts.

Think of fighting Trazyn the Infinite like fighting Ainz Ooal Gown: You require a Time Stop countermeasure and a Tesseract Labyrinth/Collection countermeasure to even start a proper fight without getting stomped.

I mean, automatons are just, well, automatons. Robots made by Daedalus.

Powered by magic, if I am not mistaken.

If he's inherently outside of time and their range then sure I suppose.

Technically he is there, but he's also not. He's not in phase with the flow of time with his Chronometron,

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

Trazyn definitely can because optional equipment and phase shifter.

 

[Planck69]

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

"Hey what's that snake thi-" Stoned

Powered by magic, if I am not mistaken.

Not really. The Daluses for example are just a product of his skillcraft, with internal wiring and all. But if Trazyn has a way of avoiding the gaze with his Chrono stuff then he likely takes it.

 

[Lou_change]

"Hey what's that snake thi-" Stoned

Is it the whole body boos don't exactly like making eye contact?

 

[Planck69]

Is it the whole body boos don't exactly like making eye contact?

The body in general.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Tier Low 1-A:

2. Characters from Honkaiverse

 

[Lou_change]

The body in general.

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

 

[Planck69]

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

The petrification can affect a being's soul/mind/information/concept. And Sirens can affect people's minds and magic, which are all of these as well.

 

[Lou_change]

soul/mind/information/concept

Resistance to the mind, soul, and life part, do they actually have rune magic, anyway isn't that because in their universe those are all the same thing how exactly does that work if those all aren't just the same thing?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

If I thought Posi could beat them I'd have said so. Anyways I lost the Katana Zero debate(don't mean I agree with it) so that's why he's not higher.

 

[Planck69]

Resistance to the mind, soul, and life part, do they actually have rune magic, anyway isn't that because in their universe those are all the same thing how exactly does that work if those all aren't just the same thing?

They are the same thing, and magic is the same at its root regardless of pantheon.

Positron would need to resist Information Manipulation and Concept Manipulation to resist their brand of petrifying, which he doesn't.

 

[Lou_change]

Anyways I lost the Katana Zero debate(don't mean I agree with it) so that's why he's not higher.

You mean the lightspeed laser he can aim dodge that would work via heat (wouldn't the radiation be a more valid example of lightspeed durable negation) the perception thing I honestly can't tell if if that is part of their speed rating or not if it is then speed being equalized kinda negates it and unequalized he seems faster and should be able to react to them trying to act on their precognition, and the time rewind on death that is out of character for him to trigger. You just decide it wasn't worth bothering with debating the heat values.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You mean the lightspeed laser he can aim dodge that would work via heat (wouldn't the radiation be a more valid example of lightspeed durable negation) the perception thing I honestly can't tell if if that is part of their speed rating or not if it is then speed being equalized kinda negates it and unequalized he seems faster and should be able to react to them trying to act on their precognition, and the time rewind on death that is out of character for him to trigger. You just decide it wasn't worth bothering with debating the heat values.

Hey if you want to argue for me, Posi's profile has everything, just a truncated skill section to look nicer is all that's not on the tin.

 

[Planck69]

@Dragonite007
Is it cool if I occasionally update the list?

 

[Dragonite007]

@Dragonite007
Is it cool if I occasionally update the list?

Yep

I usually just update the list when I am in the computer, since my cellphone seens to not like this site.

 

[AthelChan]

Yep

I usually just update the list when I am in the computer, since my cellphone seens to not like this site.

its everyones phone

 

[Nonynho]

:

heya, just calling out once more for the updating of the 9-A, putting Unforgotten Spectre Liz in the top 5 beside Isaac with speed equal

 

[Dragonite007]

heya, just calling out once more for the updating of the 9-A, putting Unforgotten Spectre Liz in the top 5 beside Isaac with speed equal

Done

 

[Shadowslash125]

Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help

I took a cursory glance at this person's page, and I cannot for the life of me find where all the funni layering is. EDIT: I found it.

Anywho, due to the nature of Daguva's teleporting abilities, the SBA range is actually 4km between Liz and him. What makes this more of a stomp is that he has the tendency to transform into his tier 6 perfect form from the get-go, and since he's far enough from Liz to not be under the effects of her fear hax, she's going to burn into a crisp, turn into plasma and atomically dismantle her almost immediately.

SECOND EDIT: The fear hax seems to require actually looking at the character, and Pegasus Abilities from Kuuga (which Daguva has due to having the same power source as him) can prevent this from happening by utilising his hearing and extrasensory perception.

 

[Nonynho]

I took a cursory glance at this person's page, and I cannot for the life of me find where all the funni layering is. EDIT: I found it.

Anywho, due to the nature of Daguva's teleporting abilities, the SBA range is actually 4km between Liz and him. What makes this more of a stomp is that he has the tendency to transform into his tier 6 perfect form from the get-go, and since he's far enough from Liz to not be under the effects of her fear hax, she's going to burn into a crisp, turn into plasma and atomically dismantle her almost immediately.

SECOND EDIT: The fear hax seems to require actually looking at the character, and Pegasus Abilities from Kuuga (which Daguva has due to having the same power source as him) can prevent this from happening by utilising his hearing and extrasensory perception.

If by any chance he ever ends up looking at her, it's over, and by his most far away ability being tp and the others having "tens of meters" of range, that is going to happen, as could only be avoided with at least limited prior knowledge
It is normal behaviour to look at what you're engaging with

 

[Shadowslash125]

If by any chance he ever ends up looking at her, it's over, and by his most far away ability being tp and the others having "tens of meters" of range, that is going to happen, as could only be avoided with at least limited prior knowledge

That's his intermediate form. I'm talking about his perfect form, which isn't restricted here since it counts to his transformation. His perfect form has planetary range.

It is normal behaviour to look at what you're engaging with

This only applies if he's playing with his food (only for Kuuga since he specifically wanted something out of him) or have specific business with someone. Anyone else don't really deserve the time for him to observe and whatnot (unless said person actively resists bursting into plasma fire). Also, SBA has something to say:

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in.

He just needs to know the general direction to use his Pegasus Senses.
Also bear in mind that Supernatural Ignition is an omnidirectional attack that can spawn inside the person. All he needs to do is to raise his hand, and she's gone. That's exactly what happened to 30,000 people who he burned to death all at once without him ever sparing a glance.

 

[Nonynho]

That's his intermediate form. I'm talking about his perfect form, which isn't restricted here since it counts to his transformation. His perfect form has planetary range.

So, if it is a typical behaviour for his first thing to do be transform
And Liz' will be to approach
And they're at equal speed, meaning they highly upscale from 3,157.89473683 m/s (the only calc i found on Kuuga's page), meaning it should take less than 1.2s for her to reach his exact position... And for him to see her while she does that, she should take way less. And from what we can see, the transformation isn't exactly instantaneous, so before he can use his plasma manip inside her, she's already in his sight's range
that is all not saying that if he can sense her in his ultimate form with his increased sight he's very likely already cooked from the beginning

Statistics Amplification:[...]

• Perception, Sight, Hearing: Rising Pegasus Form has more sharpened super-senses compared to the standard version.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Since Kuuga's Civilian Form is what is started with, the combat speed of said civilian form is what would be equalized to. So Athletic Human vs Hypersonic is the difference here.

 

[Nonynho]

Since Kuuga's Civilian Form is what is started with, the combat speed of said civilian form is what would be equalized to. So Athletic Human vs Hypersonic is the difference here.

From what i got of his arguments, it's his intermediate form he starts with, no?

 

[Arcker123]

Due to this one having no layers described

Her range is too short. They just immediately neg her with their own hax due to that

 

[Nonynho]

Her range is too short. They just immediately neg her with their own hax due to that

Sorry, who are you defending?

 

[Arcker123]

Sorry, who are you defending?

Dishonored

the only reason I bother in this thread

 

[Nonynho]

Dishonored

the only reason I bother in this thread

Cool (i'll be playing the games, maybe not anytime soon, but it fetched my interest)

The problem is that Corvo and etc have to look at her to execute techniques, which immediately, as the fight begins, passively, triggers Disturbing Presence, which needs 15 layers of resisting stuff there to counter

 

[Arcker123]

The problem is that Corvo and etc have to look at her to execute techniques, which immediately, as the fight begins, passively, triggers Disturbing Presence, which needs 15 layers of resisting stuff there to counter

The effect can start at the beginning sure. But the fighter will "spawn" much farther than the effects range.

All someone like Delilah has to do is think and then they're incapped from a much farther range. The Dishonored characters can win the fight before the passives even become a factor.

 

[Nonynho]

But the fighter will "spawn" much farther than the effects range.

Yeah, no.

Corvo spawns at Hundreds of Meters, the end of his effective range for guns and crossbows, which obviously need aiming
Emily's, Daud's, Granny Rags' and Billie Lurk's profiles follow the same tendency, a need to aim, look in general

Delilah, as you mentioned, has indeed a higher range than the other characters, though it follows the same problem, as it is indexed as her life manipulation being with kilometers of range and only that...

• Life Manipulation and Duplication (An ability to impose one's own will upon inanimate objects to interact with them and allowing them to move even if they normally can't, like statues, allowing one to create duplicates of themselves)

...Which clearly does not matter for this fight, and whenever she has the range to attempt using any magic at all, Liz would already be at a perceivable tens of meters of range

Besides no magic being indicated as thought based as you said and the only absurd ranges being with preparation which she can't access here

 

[Shadowslash125]

So, if it is a typical behaviour for his first thing to do be transform
And Liz' will be to approach

iirc transforming and teleporting are actions that aren't mutually exclusive, so he can probably just tp while transforming honestly

And they're at equal speed, meaning they highly upscale from 3,157.89473683 m/s (the only calc i found on Kuuga's page), meaning it should take less than 1.2s for her to reach his exact position...

Although, his teleportation is actually instantaneous, so it'd be faster for him to teleport away from her than for her to get to his exact point. Also 4km distance, and iirc only combat speed gets equalised, so her travel speed would still be the same and take a while to get close to him.

And for him to see her while she does that, she should take way less. And from what we can see, the transformation isn't exactly instantaneous, so before he can use his plasma manip inside her, she's already in his sight's range

Second misconception is that he can still use plasma in his intermediate form, it's just that he unlocks planetary range when he becomes perfect form. He also changes speed ratings iirc but idk how that's handled in speed equal since him usually transforming into perfect form isn't available due to normal vsbw constraints.

So basically, him teleporting is instantaneous and while his transformation isn't instant, both of these abilities are thought-based, meaning no action is required of him to use said abilities. The only action required is for him to raise his hand, and he should even be able to to do all three at once btw. Teleport while transforming while raising his hand.

that is all not saying that if he can sense her in his ultimate form with his increased sight he's very likely already cooked from the beginning

That's Kuuga, not Daguva. Daguva is:

• Additional Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception (Awareness, Hearing, Smell, Vision【Neutral, Telescopic, Infrared, Ultraviolet & Microvision】; As Pegasus Form, in addition to sensory fuctions such as sight, hearing, and smell, the mental faculties such as judgment and insight are also enhanced, being even able to see and track invisible beings from kilometers away. His vision becomes thousands of times better than humans, including the ability of viewing ultraviolet rays, infrared rays and electromagnetic waves in the visible range, and his hearing becomes thousands of times better than human, with the ability of hearing ultrasonic waves. He can use his keen senses to detect Me·Galme·Re who blending into the surroundings)

(Despite being a rip from the Kuuga page)

 

[Nonynho]

That's Kuuga, not Daguva. Daguva is:
(Despite being a rip from the Kuuga page)

That reinforces what i said about he being perceiving her before attacking

It's pretty standard for you to look to who you're attacking

 

[Lou_change]

So I looked at the High 8-C list

1. Characters from Kral Şakir

2. Henry Stickmin / Toujou Karuna

3. Choi Yoon-seok / Deathmaster Snikch

4. Anri

5. F (Alphabet)

6. Mardicus

7. Korosensei

8. Bunny

9. Brandon Heat

10. Dio

11. Ryukendo

12. Player (Fart Attack)

13. Characters from Parahumans (Leviathan, Khonsu and The Simurgh)

First why is Player (Fart Attack), Ryukendo, and Brandon Heat doing here

Leviathan gets 4 kilometers worth of space to build up water to just tsunami them, only Brandon can handle Khonsu aging them to death but he can be trapped in a time field and while he could still shoot he can get past the regeneration and durability of Khonsu which is basically incap, none of them can handle The Simurgh's range, M class telekinesis, and mind hax.

Dio can't truly harm them and none of his ways to ignore durability work so. Khonsu does get to keep Dio in a time field until sunrise unless Dio becomes able to stop time forever before that point, the other two basically do the same thing they did before.

Bunny can't hurt truly hurt them either so I think she loses the war of attrition because they can harm her more consistently and The Simurgh just mind haxs without killing her.

Korosensei his mind hax might be layered enough to work however the also seems to be meant to work on humans specifically and he gets walled until he dies.

 

[Minaaaa]

First why is Player (Fart Attack), Ryukendo, and Brandon Heat doing here

Someone nominated them #me

 

[Shadowslash125]

That reinforces what i said about he being perceiving her before attacking

It's pretty standard for you to look to who you're attacking

Again, you don't technically have to actually see your opponent as long as you can hear, smell or sense them. Which helps Daguva more when he already knows the general direction she'd be in, and that's kinda enough as is.
So like if it's tens of meters SBA (it probably isn't but eh), his hearing is enough to know where she is to just ignite her.
If it's 4km, he can easily tp out of there and transform into his perfect form before setting her on fire.

So yea, Liz doesn't get past Daguva. Speed equal, or otherwise.

 

[Nonynho]

Again, you don't technically have to actually see your opponent as long as you can hear, smell or sense them. Which helps Daguva more when he already knows the general direction she'd be in, and that's kinda enough as is.

Look at who you're fighting against is a typical behaviour, so long as they're in the range of your senses it is not feasible to say that it won't just happen
And by the description of his enhanced senses, it is indeed likely that he'll be seeing her soon enough, since you said it is a typical behaviour to TP

So like if it's tens of meters SBA (it probably isn't but eh), his hearing is enough to know where she is to just ignite her.

SBA says if 4km brings too much of an advantage to one side, we can discuss another distance, but at any distance his senses go, he's f*ed
Knowing her general direction doesn't work since she can react to his attacks, as he would only be able to use the internal ones when he senses her

If it's 4km, he can easily tp out of there and transform into his perfect form before setting her on fire.

If his senses reach her and it is said they're all enhanced in a way we can fairly assume it is equally, then he will be looking at her and be gg'd

 

[Shadowslash125]

Look at who you're fighting against is a typical behaviour, so long as they're in the range of your senses it is not feasible to say that it won't just happen
And by the description of his enhanced senses, it is indeed likely that he'll be seeing her soon enough, since you said it is a typical behaviour to TP

For reference, this is just how far Kuuga is able to hear from the sky to the ground. Keep in mind that he heard the footsteps of an invisible enemy first before looking at him. This is his power in base Pegasus, since Daguva's ability in sensing should be the same level as Rising Pegasus, which is far stronger in this aspect than base Pegasus.

Why is this important? Daguva has the general sense of her direction, and can hear her footsteps as she approaches him. He doesn't really need to glance at anyone to start setting Liz on fire. It'd normally be the standard in a fight, but who is he to entertain someone who doesn't really bring anything to the table that he mildly even cares about? This is the exact behaviour he had when he burned 30000 civilians around him and Kuuga, all the while he was just taunting him. I have explained that he has something that Daguva wants to the point of toying with him. He's not going to extend the same behaviour to anyone else.

Keep in mind that this is also the same guy who was untraceable despite leaving all his carnage behind for everyone to see for 90% of the entire show. Daguva doesn't need to be seen for anyone not worthy of his time.

SBA says if 4km brings too much of an advantage to one side, we can discuss another distance, but at any distance his senses go, he's f*ed
Knowing her general direction doesn't work since she can react to his attacks, as he would only be able to use the internal ones when he senses her

Hearing across kilometres go brr. As I've said, if it isn't 4kms, she's fried instantly. The 4km has the added time of him needing to transform to use his planetary range on her, which is basically just delaying the inevitable.

If his senses reach her and it is said they're all enhanced in a way we can fairly assume it is equally, then he will be looking at her and be gg'd

Say it with me now.
Hearing go brr.

 

[Nonynho]

Why is this important? Daguva has the general sense of her direction, and can hear her footsteps as she approaches him.

She's a spectrum that floats in the air so he won't be hearing footsteps lol

Sorry for not being able to pull up an image for the profile

And also if his senses can go that far, why in the name of f* wouldn't he look at who he's fighting against?