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Is the multiplier for Ssj3 accepted here as 400×?
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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AyOgUyS
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The Dragon Ball verse page should have links to multiplier blogs methinks.
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Yes, it's in the notes of the Explanations section of the DB page
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Thank you both very much.
AyOgUyS
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You're welcome!
Nullflowerblush
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Most likely, I think. Based off of all the information and language used about 17 and 18, what I've inferred is that their bodies are technically human because human bodies were used as a template, but their entire biological mass was restructured using a synthetic "bio-organic" replacement, restoring their original functions while granting superhuman abilities and inordinate amounts of Bio-Energy.Though how is 18 capable of giving birth then? I guess Gero also "repaired" reproductive organs?
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sorry in advance, I'm a bit new to this
What's the multiplier for Super Saiyan God on this website considered to be?
What's the multiplier for Super Saiyan God on this website considered to be?
Eden_Warlock99
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160,000x
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why is that the case?
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400x400
Eden_Warlock99
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Cause it was considered stronger than SSJ3 Vegito in BoGs, and base Vegito is >SSJ3 Goku.
So 400x400=160,000
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- Fusion is considered a dynamic multiplier with the logic of "Base Fusions surpass the strongest form of the fusees".
- Vegito should be able to use Super Saiyan 3 due to Goku, especially since Gotenks can do it.
- Goku refers to God as a new level of power he never knew existed and also states Fusion wouldn't work against Beerus.
God takes Goku from being 4-B to 2-C. So the 160,000x multiplier is a reasonable lowball derived from inference using character statements, narrative and basic scaling.
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Low Multiverse level (Grew far stronger since he fought Kid Buu, who exerted power greater than all previous versions of Majin Buu, Super Buu's Vice Shout threatened to completely break down the fabric of space-time which would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely, it being stated multiple times that this was done with his power.)
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In the manga continuity Goku is 4-B before BoG. And the same essential logic applies to the anime version, Goku considers God an unreal level of power he never thought was possible and claims fusion isn't enough.
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SSG is soft evidence for AP/power not increasing proportionally with speed, heck even if it were just 3A the gap between it and 4-B is several orders of magnitude larger than the speed amp from 1000c to quintillion c
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This is an incoherent dialogue
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No this has never been the case.
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The entire point of Goku and Vegeta switching between God and Blue is to conserve energy usage. They use God to minimize their ki output while maximizing their speed while going Blue to attack in the split second to maximize their attack output then switching back to god instantly to minimize ki output.
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Alright, then when I first watched the series I must have interpreted it wrongly, but then wouldn't that mean that the difference in speed between the two forms isn't that high?
Eden_Warlock99
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Yeah it's really weird. Apparently SSJB is so energy inefficient that Vegeta using it for like a split second against Cabba made it weaker than his God form.
In the manga, don't think SSJB is that bad of a form in the anime.
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This the manga innit?
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and in strength and speed is higher, but doesn't seem to be that much higher than God
Eden_Warlock99
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Though since this is the case, we should probably remove the x50 we currently use it for till they get Perfected Blue.
Nullflowerblush
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I dunno what you're going on about. Zarbon is a transforming-type alien. He suppresses his full power, which includes his strength and speed and all of his other physical stats, by physically transforming. The gap between his normal state and his dormant stats is simply several times.
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what is the power level difference between base Zarbon and Transformed Zarbon?
Eden_Warlock99
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His base is higher than 18,000 but lower than 23,000
And his transformed state is higher than 23,000 but lower than 30,000
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Wait his Power level does even double even tho his strength and speed do? Isn't that proof that Ki isn't directly 1:1 raised when one stat is raised? Else Zarbon would have to be higher than that
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The problem with Blue in the U6 arc is attributed to transforming into it multiple times in one day. It exhausts them to access the form, seemingly more so than simply being in the form. This is depicted in RoF with Goku having a full fight against Golden Freeza just fine and yet Vegeta suffers because he went Blue against Cabba then went Blue against Hit. By the Black Saga they fix it with Vegeta learning to use God as his 'base' form and using Blue in efficient bursts, as God doesn't cause notable strain. Goku takes it a step further by learning how to seal the power in his body so he is constantly at full power. Then by the ToP he can use the Kaio-Ken with it and later the Ultra Instinct technique in Granolah.
The anime doesn't place as much emphasis on Blue's stamina issues, with it only coming up twice in the entire show, to my recollection, and both being throwaway lines. So it doesn't have the same feeling of progression. Goku can just go X10 Blue right after RoF and the stamina issue basically doesn't even exist.
No. The form is a 50x multiplier with a stamina weakness. At most you would add it as a stamina weakness he has until Black. And even then, as I am saying, the form's issue is primarily about transforming into it multiple times a day.
Eden_Warlock99
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I think he just didn't double his stats, like no matter how you slice it Kaioken x2 Goku is weaker than Zarbon and Kaioken x4 Goku is stronger than Transformed Zarbon.
His transformation just can't be a "several times increase" using the general definition of "several" (Which DB has done before, looking at Tao)
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Better answer: 2-C in DB verse is not infinitely stronger than 4-B as it could be reached by a finite (yet unknown) multiplier.
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if I'm understanding you, you're saying the jump from Base or SSJ (anything sub God form) to Blue is more taxing than the jump from God to Blue?
Eden_Warlock99
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Ehh, don't really buy that explanation. Isn't the whole point tied to SSJB's aura constantly leaking Ki, causing the form to get weaker the longer it's active? That's basically why Perfected Blue lacks the aura in the first place, no? Plus, I don't see how that explanation resolves the God --> Blue switching either. They're still transforming into Blue multiple times in a row there, if anything that should make the stamina drain even worse.
And like, it not being shown against Golden Frieza (Wait there wasn't even a Golden Frieza fight in the manga) doesn't really prove anything when Frieza himself had stamina issues withhis Golden Form too, so both of them could've been getting massively weaker over the course of the fight and we wouldn't notice.
Hmm, I dunno. Wasn't Perfect Blue Goku (Blue without the Stamina weakness, a.k.a. just a x50 multiplier) fighting pretty evenly with Fused Zamasu?
Honestly if we treat all SSJB showings before they unlocked Perfected Blue as an unknown amp due to its stamina issues it would fix the inconsistency that's the God to Blue thing being a viable thing despite, ya know, everyone they fight being x50 faster than God and as such blitzing them?
Wait didn't that straight-up happen against Fused Zamasu lol
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then shouldn't Vegeta one-shot Black Goku? Black has a similiar speed to God Vegeta, then if ki=speed=AP they should be similiar in power level too, so Vegeta Blue>(50×)>Black>=Vegeta God, but in the actual fight the gap doesn't seem that high
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Kind of. Goku explains in the Black Saga that against Hit what he did was 'store the power of Blue' while in God form then explode it when he needs it. Goku could only do it once back then but Vegeta trained himself to do it consecutively with no drain. Comparatively back in the U6 Saga, Whis explains the issue is using Blue multiple times a day (checking the raws and I believe he does state the issue is transforming multiple times per day).
So the tax is just in accessing the form multiple times a day. There is also the passive tax of using it in a battle but, again, given Goku vs Freeza and them choosing to use Blue over God in full fights, it's clear that the tax is primarily about transformation.
God is just a very efficient form, relatively, that works as a 'resting' state' that they store Blue's power in. Then they explode it when they need it.
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