OPM: Speed Upgrade(2)

[DavidTPPM]

Can the opposition provide a summary for why exactly this calc doesn't work?

So

• The calc relies on the idea that Garou is getting not just blitzed but statued by about 30,000x. This is just blatantly wrong because Garou has just copied Saitamas stats, matched his combat speed, dodged his attack, tagged him, and perceived the tableflip itself as well as Saitama and his afterimages
  • Technically the assumption is even worse as the actual chain of events proposed is: Saitama and Garou are equal -> Saitama jumps by a perception blitz tier -> Garou instantly catches up -> Saitama statues the newly adapted Garou
• The calc assumes Garou didn't move at all (hence why he got supposedly statued) but we literally see Garou goes from shoulder deep into the portal to at least a forearms length above it, meaning he just straight up moved 30+ centimeters
• The calc explains the jump in speed as Saitama just growing, but we know Saitama can't possibly grow by tens of thousands of times instantly like this because we get a confirmation that even during a moment where his growth rate was immensely increased he was only growing by about 2-3x stronger with each punch, and even that was enough to go beyond Garou's power perception almost instantly. Furthermore after Garou copies Saitamas stats again we see them clash multiple times after this perfectly equally without any huge sudden jumps, meaning this assumed growth rate is completely narratively inconsistent

So the idea that Garou got statued is not only narratively inconsistent but also just appears to be outright wrong based on his clear movement between the panels.

 

[Saqphire]

looking at the graph no he was growing much earlier since they showed the graph since when we see the graph the point at which they took Saitama's growth matches the second to last level of his growth before Garou evolved again and Saitama did the same I think Saitama was growing from their fight on earth and Garou was doing the same copying him etc
and then when we see the graph there is a huge surge for Saitama and shortly after the sneeze feat happens

I don't think the graph specifically implies it started on Earth, especially when Saitama says that he can go all out in Jupiter right after the Serious Punch^2, and they end up becoming relative until after he starts growing mid-scuffle after the table flip, which is when Garou falls behind

 

[Damage3245]

So

• The calc relies on the idea that Garou is getting not just blitzed but statued by about 30,000x. This is just blatantly wrong because Garou has just copied Saitamas stats, matched his combat speed, dodged his attack, tagged him, and perceived the tableflip itself as well as Saitama and his afterimages
  • Technically the assumption is even worse as the actual chain of events proposed is: Saitama and Garou are equal -> Saitama jumps by a perception blitz tier -> Garou instantly catches up -> Saitama statues the newly adapted Garou
• The calc assumes Garou didn't move at all (hence why he got supposedly statued) but we literally see Garou goes from shoulder deep into the portal to at least a forearms length above it, meaning he just straight up moved 30+ centimeters
• The calc explains the jump in speed as Saitama just growing, but we know Saitama can't possibly grow by tens of thousands of times instantly like this because we get a confirmation that even during a moment where his growth rate was immensely increased he was only growing by about 2-3x stronger with each punch, and even that was enough to go beyond Garou's power perception almost instantly. Furthermore after Garou copies Saitamas stats again we see them clash multiple times after this perfectly equally without any huge sudden jumps, meaning this assumed growth rate is completely narratively inconsistent

So the idea that Garou got statued is not only narratively inconsistent but also just appears to be outright wrong based on his clear movement between the panels.

This looks like a sufficient list of reasons to be against the proposed calc. Count me as disagree.

 

[Raiden38]

I don't think the graph specifically implies it started on Earth, especially when Saitama says that he can go all out in Jupiter right after the Serious Punch^2, and they end up becoming relative until after he starts growing mid-scuffle after the table flip, which is when Garou falls behind

It can be assumed that in the clash on Earth shortly before going to I.O, Saitama and Garou's growth path began, and Garou began to copy him because the graph shows how Garou at a certain point began to chase Saitama and already on Earth the latter chased him by copying him... in any case, the moment in which the feat that is being questioned appears is long before the graph was shown, it practically happens the chapter before and following the graph they were more or less close but Saitama was evolving too quickly and Garou couldn't keep up with him easily...

 

[Raiden38]

for the portal issue Garou could have easily had it spawned nearby to quickly escape the attack without needing to move who knows how much imo

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yeah so Tayman told me on discord that he wanted me to relay a msg in his stead since he's got himself self-banned, but later he changed his mind saying the self-ban was for this very purpose, so that he can have some time off vsbw.

Sooo
He won't be coming :d

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah so Tayman told me on discord that he wanted me to relay a msg in his stead since he's got himself self-banned, but later he changed his mind saying the self-ban was for this very purpose, so that he can have some time off vsbw.

Sooo
He won't be coming :d

Oh, that's surprising. We were talking in DMs on the wiki just 2 days ago and his profile doesn't seem banned here or on fandom.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Oh, that's surprising. We were talking in DMs on the wiki just 2 days ago and his profile doesn't seem banned here or on fandom.

Yeah there was a delay

 

[KaramcaS]

Can the opposition provide a summary for why exactly this calc doesn't work?

It assumes timeframe, assumes FOV, assumes portal distance, assumes afterimage positions, assumes movement through the portal
It selects the option that will yield the best result in unknown situations and also makes predictions about things that cannot be known