Meliodas VS Isshiki (13-12-0)

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Then why didn't he use it on Naruto when he's literally angry. Im asking if he can spawn Rod inside people

Are you kidding me? Why do people ask these obvious questions, he wasn't trying to kill Naruto or Sasuke in the beginning, but to keep them alive for information and leverage for Kawaki and he said it himself. Its on the profile. He couldn't hit Baryon Mode Naruto so that's out of question. And he couldn't kill Naruto after BM because he wasn't a threat nor was that his objective as a dying man.

he does.

How many. Because Narutos people have and they can't sense Otsuktsuki. Even vessels have 1 layer.

His body also instinctively reacts to attacks, even if he isn't aware of it.

Has he reacted to microscopic beings and/or attacks via his instinctive actions?

If its just because Otsuktsuki can mask his energy, then how would that work on attacks launched by him

Because he can't react to stuff 10x faster than him. Sukuhnahiko is 10x faster than both of them

 

[FARLANDER3305]

I am very disappointed on how this match went. Not only did people conveniently forget that Meliodas would be in his true magic form and have a deconstruction aura around him destroying the black rods and the cubes when they get close. Isshiki would get hit by Meliodas’ layered passives and lose. Matches most of the times end up like this. I am hoping this thread gets closed at this point this is more just voting for characters than actually voting based on win conditions.

Does meli start with his True magic already ?

 

[FARLANDER3305]

I am very disappointed on how this match went. Not only did people conveniently forget that Meliodas would be in his true magic form and have a deconstruction aura around him destroying the black rods and the cubes when they get close. Isshiki would get hit by Meliodas’ layered passives and lose. Matches most of the times end up like this. I am hoping this thread gets closed at this point this is more just voting for characters than actually voting based on win conditions.

As far as i know both darkness and miasma get shrunken down with every magic attack as well
Fear and madness hax is pretty much useless in here too . From my knowledge on wiki's fear hax ( if it has esoteric powers like insta death hax i would argue stomp )
İsshikis abilitys are all sight based and he can spam 10x speed buff

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The cubes are so fast that they stopped Sasuke’s Chidori from reaching Isshiki. It’s illogical for gravity to pull something that fast.

It's just PIS

 

[Jey-kun52]

I vote for meli

 

[FARLANDER3305]

It's just PIS

So you still saying he cant telekinesis control what he shrunked down ?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Isshiki spawning them a centimeters above his head

If by a few centimeters you mean more than a meter, that makes sense.

10x their speed (Because Sukanahiko is that fast) and crushes him before he even knew what hit him

Only the increase and decrease happen 10 times faster; you should stop distorting what is accepted.

Durability Negation (Cellular; with Rasenshuriken, Naruto is able to create countless microscopic wind-blades that severely damage the body on a cellular level.[49] It produces so many individual strikes that even Kakashi Hatake is unable to count them all with his Sharingan.)
İ am sharing this to get a better understanding.
Black Rods are smaller than cells so it can slip through the structure and go in to the body directly

What is that supposed to prove? Isshiki’s attack needs to pierce the body; you cannot assume it ignores the external part when it is stated exactly the opposite.

Black Rods are smaller than cells so it can slip through the structure and go in to the body directly

Where exactly was it said that they are smaller than cells? Stop overhyping these abilities to the maximum.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

It's just PIS

No. It's just FTL movement in fiction being effortlessly outpaced by a faster character. People say PIS for anything that doesn't support their narrative. It's very simple;

• Naruto gets mogged by cubes in SPSM forms; Cannot lift, chooses to avoid them at all cost.
• Gets crushed. Naruto is a Class Z character
• Proceeds to lift said cubes effortlessly in a stronger form, which would debunk any reasoning for anti feats and supports Class Z forces for the cubes.

Meliodas gets crushed simply because of their deploy speed which neither characters can react to.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

he wasn't trying to kill Naruto or Sasuke in the

I think we were watching a different fight.

Are you kidding me? Why do people ask these obvious questions, he wasn't trying to kill Naruto or Sasuke in the beginning, but to keep them alive for information and leverage for Kawaki and he said it himself. Its on the profile. He couldn't hit Baryon Mode Naruto so that's out of question. And he couldn't kill Naruto after BM because he wasn't a threat nor was that his objective as a dying man.

Naruto could be a thousand times faster than him, but he would still be hit by the rods if they appeared inside the target, as you’ve been claiming throughout the entire fight.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

If by a few centimeters you mean more than a meter, that makes sense.

Proceeds to show BM Naruto fight. Why not bring up Kashin Koji? Or Naruto and Sasuke vs Isshiki? It doesn't matter anyway because Meliodas still would not overpower them like Naruto did

Only the increase and decrease happen 10 times faster; you should stop distorting what is accepted

That's exactly what I'm saying. He expands them over his head at 10x their speed for them to fall on him. Lmao

 

[Demon_Lord18]

No. It's just FTL movement in fiction being effortlessly outpaced by a faster character. People say PIS for anything that doesn't support their narrative. It's very simple;

• Naruto gets mogged by cubes in SPSM forms; Cannot lift, chooses to avoid them at all cost.
• Gets crushed. Naruto is a Class Z character
• Proceeds to lift said cubes effortlessly in a stronger form, which would debunk any reasoning for anti feats and supports Class Z forces for the cubes.

Meliodas gets crushed simply because of their deploy speed which neither characters can react to.

It’s just PIS, or simply they’re not that fast. I think the second option is closer to reality, since they can’t interrupt an attack that takes 5 seconds to be completed.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Proceeds to show BM Naruto fight. Why not bring up Kashin Koji? Or Naruto and Sasuke vs Isshiki? It doesn't matter anyway because Meliodas still would not overpower them like Naruto did

Why don’t you show it? The claim that he summons them centimeters from the head is yours, not mine.

That's exactly what I'm saying. He expands them over his head at 10x their speed for them to fall on him.

That wasn’t what you meant, but since you say it is, Meliodas either escapes or destroys those cubes before they hit him.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I think we were watching a different fight.

Isshiki Vs Meliodas, Proceeds to show Jigen

Besides, two different characters and His reasonings for even fighting were different. As well as, he literally mogged them, was on the verge to kill Sasuke after impaling him from the ground. And sealed Naruto because of his Regeneration.


He spawned rods in Kashin Koji's head. Would've killed him if it wasn't a clone.

Naruto could be a thousand times faster than him, but he would still be hit by the rods if they appeared inside the target, as you’ve been claiming throughout the entire fight.

Did we watch the same fight? Naruto acted faster than Sukuhnahiko could be applied lmaoo and why does this matter? Meliodas is not faster than Sukubahiko and BM has no, 0 Correlation to Meliodas here.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I mean what’s stopping Meliodas from just outright destroying the cubes

How dare you assume that Meliodas would just stand still taking all of Isshiki’s attacks?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Why don’t you show it? The claim that he summons them centimeters from the head is yours, not mine

Son.

That wasn’t what you meant, but since you say it is, Meliodas either escapes or destroys those cubes before they hit him.

Escapes how? Someone like Sasuke only escaped via Teleportation. Naruto got crushed. The closer he spawns them the more cooked meliodas is. He doesn't need to use cubes and rods alone. He has other mundane objects. I'm not saying melly can't destroy them but Isshiki is just gonna deploy them so he can't escape or destroy them fast enough

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

How dare you assume that Meliodas would just stand still taking all of Isshiki’s attacks?

Isshiki just spams and overwhelms him lol. What's stopping Isshiki from spamming Sukahnahiko really

 

[MeliodasDeUzyy]

Meliodas by stomp, i dont get how y’all try to make Isshiki win

 

[FARLANDER3305]

If by a few centimeters you mean more than a meter, that makes sense.

Only the increase and decrease happen 10 times faster; you should stop distorting what is accepted.



What is that supposed to prove? Isshiki’s attack needs to pierce the body; you cannot assume it ignores the external part when it is stated exactly the opposite.

Where exactly was it said that they are smaller than cells? Stop overhyping these abilities to the maximum.

Decrease and increase happen too fast that is correct yes but Rods are also traveling fast too again sasuke who has a ana pre was barely dodging despite jigen was using Hand gestures this is isshiki which is using sight based sukunahikona
Sasuke was able to tell cuz he has Sharingan and kinetic vision . Sasuke called rods So small btw Even a 3 tomoe Sharingan user can see celular structure plus viruses sasuke was only able to tell cuz A thousand Naruto Clone got obliriated by it
So a MS user like sasuke got hit by those despite the fact that he can see cells and viruses you tell me how it cant pierce cells of meli

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Cant isshiki shrink Meliodas's powers. Magic isn't a living thing right

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Kcm is also a force field protecting Naruto from External forces but Rods litterally pierced Naruto s defences and go to his Hand completely

 

[MeliodasDeUzyy]

Cant isshiki shrink Meliodas's powers. Magic isn't a living thing right

Commandments are laws

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Cant isshiki shrink Meliodas's powers. Magic isn't a living thing right

No
But if you mean magical attacks like slashes or trillion darkness he can

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Commandments are laws

So? Is law a living thing? Lol

No
But if you mean magical attacks like slashes or trillion darkness he can

So Isshiki looks at his aura, Aoe attacks or wtv and they're gone.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Dude, it’s impossible for this not to be ragebait.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

So assuming that Meli will try to nuke isshiki
First of all isshiki sees that he also has byakugan which grants hım ana pre to some extant
He either shrinks that down
Or
Shrinking Himself go to another dimension
Come back with stealth stuff and snipe meli or seal him in daikokuten which happens 10 x faster than hım
While meli cant see nor sense İsshiki

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Dude, it’s impossible for this not to be ragebait.

"İsshiki is not using Telekinesis this is just attack reflection "

 

[Demon_Lord18]

How is Isshiki resisting this?

Curse Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Law Manipulation (The highest-ranked Demons have Absolute Order - Victims, who are placed under a demonic contract, are forced to obey their commands or die if they resist)

 

[MeliodasDeUzyy]

Dude, it’s impossible for this not to be ragebait.

2/10 ragebait, he really asked this lol

 

[FARLANDER3305]

How is Isshiki resisting this?

Placed under a demonic contract

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Placed under a demonic contract

Great way to resist

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Great way to resist

How meli gonna do a contract with isshiki

 

[Demon_Lord18]

How meli gonna do a contract with isshiki

Meliodas shall draft it on official stationery, dispatch it to Isshiki via postal service, and subsequently authenticate it at the municipal notary office where their battle will take place.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Meliodas shall draft it on official stationery, dispatch it to Isshiki via postal service, and subsequently authenticate it at the municipal notary office where their battle will take place.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Meliodas shall draft it on official stationery, dispatch it to Isshiki via postal service, and subsequently authenticate it at the municipal notary office where their battle will take place.

You know what I despise the most? Spite matches. We have a 10 page long debate between opposing characters who the OP let's us think ais fair and then some dude pulls up "Oh X actually has 1-A Plot Manipulation with infinite layers" like why wasn't this shit mentioned earlier

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

You know what I despise the most? Spite matches. We have a 10 page long debate between opposing characters who the OP let's us think and then some dude pulls up "Oh X actually has 1-A Plot Manipulation with infinite layers" like why wasn't this shit mentioned earlier

Instead yall telling us about mediocre abilities Isshiki clearly shrinks.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Ngl but i enjoyed this
@Demon_Lord18
Thanks Man

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Ngl but i enjoyed this
@Demon_Lord18
Thanks Man

Same. Remember no rage baiting ma dudes

 

[Kaydee1648]

It's just PIS

We just throwing words around now

Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot

The dynamics of the ability here don’t contradict Isshiki’s capabilities. The cube is manipulated the same way the rods are: it’s forced in a direction by something, whether it’s pseudo-telekinesis or not. You can’t just dismiss all possible interpretations and label it as PIS. No, you’d have to prove that.

What happened is that Isshiki pulled the cubes as a last resort to escape a Naruto and Sasuke combo aimed at him. It’s blatant, and there’s no anti-feat showing it was pulled by gravity alone. To add to this, Isshiki further used the cubes in an attempt to tag Baryon Mode Naruto when his rods couldn’t, so that just further refines the idea that the cubes are pulled in at relative speeds to the characters.

 

[karo_senpaii]

It's just PIS

No it's really not and this is just coping.

Boruto put himself in the way of Sasuke who was about to be crushed by the cube and ishikki shrank the cube and directly controlled it back to his arm since he didn't want to kill boruto. Don't say stuff like this without doing your due research

 

[karo_senpaii]

It's just PIS

Here, direct evidence of telekinetic control