The Sun God Nika vs The Six Paths Sage (Luffy vs Naruto).

[Maitreya12]

The Reincarnation of Ashura, Naruto Uzumaki.​

Vs

The Warrior of Liberation, Monkey D. Luffy.​

​

Sage of Six Path Naruto vs Emperor Luffy.

Naruto AP value= 59.44 ZT physically, 118.88 with his stronger Ninjutsu and Empowerment, 178.32 ZT with Asura Avatar, 356.64 ZT with SP Ultra-Big Ball Rasenshuriken

Luffy AP value= 3.014 Zettatons in Gear 2nd, 6.028 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Snakeman or Gear 3rd, 12.056 Zettatons in Gear 2nd + Gear 3rd, 24.112 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Boundman, 59.44 Zettatons with Strongest Attacks

Speed unequal.

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Draw- @Jaynic1

They both start out in their strongest forms.

 

[Arkenis]

Following. Can't wait to read this thread and see layers get brought up.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Following too

Although, if Luffy starts from base, Naruto has to as well since speed is equalized. Otherwise, start both of them in their strongest forms.

 

[Kachon123]

Pretty sure Luffy blitzes with Gears and Future Sight. Durability and Regeneration Negation from Advanced Armament Haki would also make each of his attacks lethal.

Although, if Luffy starts from base, Naruto has to as well since speed is equalized. Otherwise, start both of them in their strongest forms.

It's actually the other way around. If Naruto starts in base, he would become 35x faster by popping Six Paths Mode, which would make it a blitz. That isn't allowed since Luffy is faster than Naruto.

 

[Mbpoops]

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[MochOath]

might as well unequalize speed with that <2x gap
Naruto: 10c with Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode, 28c Reaction Speed, >28c Speed with Empowerment
Luffy: 13.396c with Gear 4th and 5th, 40.1c with Giant Form, >40.1c Reaction Speed

 

[Kaydee1648]

It's actually the other way around. If Naruto starts in base, he would become 35x faster by popping Six Paths Mode, which would make it a blitz. That isn't allowed since Luffy is faster than Naruto.

Then he should start from six paths sage mode.

You know damn well how this works
the speed advantage Luffy gets here is nearly 14x from G2 to G5 giant form.

 

[Kachon123]

Then he should start from six paths sage mode.

You know damn well how this works
the speed advantage Luffy gets here is nearly 14x from G2 to G5 giant form.

Sure. I don't care what he starts with as long as it isn't his base form. That's ridiculous.

Not too sure why you're acting hostile, but if Naruto starts in base, Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode would be a 357x amp. No matter how you look at it, starting in base is dumb. Naruto starting in Six Paths Mode as @Maitreya12 noted in the OP works best.

 

[Maitreya12]

I just want to make for the more interesting match. Whichever option, either equalizing speed in base or their strongest forms or unequalizing speed in general, makes for the closest and more narrow matchup between them I think is the more interesting option so whichever option leads to that discussion, I’d adjust the OP for that.

 

[Kachon123]

I just want to make for the more interesting match. Whichever option, either equalizing speed in base or their strongest forms or unequalizing speed in general, makes for the closest and more narrow matchup between them I think is the more interesting option so whichever option leads to that discussion, I’d adjust the OP for that.

Unequalizing speed and having Naruto start in Six Paths Mode would probably be the most interesting since the speed gap between that form and Luffy's base isn't massive, with both having amps that bring them to FTL+

 

[Aytugsss]

The reincarnation of Ashura, Naruto Uzumaki.

Vs

The Warrior if Liveration, Monkey D. Luffy.

Sage of Six Path Naruto vs Emperor Luffy.

Naruto AP value=59.44 zetatons

Luffy AP value= 3.014 Zettatons in Gear 2nd, 6.028 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Snakeman or Gear 3rd, 12.056 Zettatons in Gear 2nd + Gear 3rd, 24.112 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Boundman, 59.44 Zettatons with Strongest Attacks

Speed equal.

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They both start out in their strongest forms.

Naruto has much much better hax than luffy
Tso and different type of rasen shuriken with thousend of clones would be more than enough. Also naruto has way better dura and regeneration

 

[Aytugsss]

Unequalizing speed and having Naruto start in Six Paths Mode would probably be the most interesting since the speed gap between that form and Luffy's base isn't massive, with both having amps that bring them to FTL+

G5 luffy is 40x ftl
While so6p naruto has only 20x
Luffy has almost double speed.
But i dont think luffy would beat naruto since naruto has way better hax and dura

 

[Kachon123]

Tso and different type of rasen shuriken

Luffy is faster than Naruto and can see several seconds into the future. I doubt that he'd get hit by a tso. Rasenshuriken can get blocked by Armament Emission or turned into rubber and deflected with 8x the force.

thousend of clones would be more than enough

A powerful Conqueror's Haki wave is likely powerful enough to wipe out clones.

Also naruto has way better dura and regeneration

Luffy has durability negation and regeneration negation.

G5 luffy is 40x ftl
While so6p naruto has only 20x
Luffy has almost double speed.

6.86x speed gap is needed to blitz at a distance of 1 meter. A greater speed gap then even that is needed across greater distances. Naruto won't have to worry about getting blitzed until Snakeman's acceleration comes into play.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Sure. I don't care what he starts with as long as it isn't his base form. That's ridiculous.

Not too sure why you're acting hostile, but if Naruto starts in base, Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode would be a 357x amp. No matter how you look at it, starting in base is dumb. Naruto starting in Six Paths Mode as @Maitreya12 noted in the OP works best.

Why are you still noting if Naruto starts in base? I literally just said it would be better if he starts in Six Paths Sage Mode. I’m not even being hostile here; this is just how I type.

And no, Kachon, Naruto starts in Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode in the OP. How is that the best course of action when luffy gets his speed amps and Naruto doesn’t?

I don’t have an issue with an unequalized speed either.

 

[Kachon123]

Why are you still noting if Naruto starts in base? I literally just said it would be better if he starts in Six Paths Sage Mode. I’m not even being hostile here; this is just how I type.

And no, Kachon, Naruto starts in Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode in the OP. How is that the best course of action when luffy gets his speed amps and Naruto doesn’t?

I don’t have an issue with an unequalized speed either.

Unequalizing speed and having Naruto start in Six Paths Mode would probably be the most interesting since the speed gap between that form and Luffy's base isn't massive, with both having amps that bring them to FTL+

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I’m not even being hostile here; this is just how I type.

Cap. This you?

 

[Maitreya12]

Unequalizing speed and having Naruto start in Six Paths Mode would probably be the most interesting since the speed gap between that form and Luffy's base isn't massive, with both having amps that bring them to FTL+

Luffy speed: 3.349c with Gear 2nd and Gear 4th: Boundman, 13.396c with Gear 4th: Snakeman and upscales from that in gear 5th

Naruto’s speed: 10c in base six paths Sage mode and 28c with Kurama cloak activated, up scaling from that.

So yeah about a 2x speed difference, that is closer than I initially thought.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Cap. This you?

Maybe

 

[Kaydee1648]

Luffy speed: 3.349c with Gear 2nd and Gear 4th: Boundman, 13.396c with Gear 4th: Snakeman and upscales from that in gear 5th

Naruto’s speed: 10c in base six paths Sage mode and 28c with Kurama cloak activated, up scaling from that.

So yeah about a 2x speed difference, that is closer than I initially thought.

No he’s 1c in six paths sage mode, 10c in KSPSM with 28c reactions

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy speed: 3.349c with Gear 2nd and Gear 4th: Boundman, 13.396c with Gear 4th: Snakeman and upscales from that in gear 5th

Naruto’s speed: 10c in base six paths Sage mode and 28c with Kurama cloak activated, up scaling from that.

So yeah about a 2x speed difference, that is closer than I initially thought.

Huh, Luffy's speed statistics values are kinda off, but he's 16.43c to 35.33c in Gear 5th and 40.1c in Giant Form

• Gear 5th Luffy dodges Kizaru: FTL+ (12.45c)
• Gum Gum Dawn Stamp: FTL+ (16.43c)
• Sanji Saves Edison: FTL+ (35.33c)
• Luffy Grabs Kizaru: FTL+ (40.1c)

 

[Mommyleona]

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[Aytugsss]

Luffy is faster than Naruto and can see several seconds into the future. I doubt that he'd get hit by a tso. Rasenshuriken can get blocked by Armament Emission or turned into rubber and deflected with 8x the force.

A powerful Conqueror's Haki wave is likely powerful enough to wipe out clones.

Luffy has durability negation and regeneration negation.

6.86x speed gap is needed to blitz at a distance of 1 meter. A greater speed gap then even that is needed across greater distances. Naruto won't have to worry about getting blitzed until Snakeman's acceleration comes into play.

Firstly its say speed is equalized
Secondly narutos shadow clones can probably restrain even if he cant use steong thousend clones 3 would be enough to
Also if naruto able to touch luffy then tso can touch to
And rasenshurikens has great explosions even bigger than mountains
Lava type rasen shurikens would easily damage g5
And if we dont equalized speeds i prefer baryon mode is better for g5 luffy

 

[Kachon123]

Firstly its say speed is equalized

Luffy has much better speed amps.

Secondly narutos shadow clones can probably restrain even if he cant use steong thousend clones 3 would be enough to

Conqueror's Haki doesn't require physical movement from Luffy.

Also if naruto able to touch luffy then tso can touch to

Luffy can see several seconds into the future. He would not let himself get hit.

And rasenshurikens has great explosions even bigger than mountains

As does Kaidou's Blast Breath, but Luffy's attack reflection still worked on it.

Lava type rasen shurikens would easily damage g5

Luffy has heat resistance. Luffy would also just turn it into rubber.

 

[Godernet]

You should add SPSM Nards AP amps btw

KSPSM: 59.44 ZT physically, 118.88 with his stronger Ninjutsu and Empowerment, 178.32 ZT with Asura Avatar, 356.64 ZT with SP Ultra-Big Ball Rasenshuriken

 

[Kaydee1648]

Lowkey forgot the 35c calc even existed.

I’m not gonna lie, it’ll be hard for Naruto to land an attack here since his combat and attack speed are about 3–4x slower than G5. And this is not even putting Future Sight in the picture yet. Luffy also seems to have better mobility, unpredictability, and a limb range advantage. So yeah, it’s definitely gonna be a tough one.

I don’t know the variability of Luffy’s speed in his G5 state here. I didn’t note it when I read it, but I’ll assume he usually starts at 16c to 35c while in his smaller state (since that’s what Kachon highlighted). Naruto, with empowerment, completely statues a 28c character from a distance, which, when put into perspective, is very impressive compared to an opponent who’s casually at 16–35c.

He’s also able to do more damage in his empowered state compared to 9x Rasenshuriken. So a blitz + one-shot advantage is feasible here, since Naruto is already stronger than Luffy even with ACoC. But empowerment is not a variable we can control in a vs match, so it depends on how pressed Naruto gets into actually going all out. The point on luffy seeing “Into the future” here, so he won’t be hit is not so relevant here. Since naruto, even before the war arc, was already dealing with the 3 tomoe Sharingan which can get glimpses of the future and acts flawlessly to them.

Looking at Naruto’s opening moves, he’d likely start out with clones while having his main self behind, looking for where to strike a chord. Conqueror’s Haki flex isn’t destroying the clones either, since it’s within the caliber of attacks each clone can withstand. And since it’s AOE, its potency is probably even less. Luffy will be able to handle some of the clones, sure, and might not even get overpowered, since Naruto’s goal here is to figure out his fighting style and abilities. It’s also worth noting that Luffy will have a hard time hitting these clones due to Senjutsu having overall better reactions and a wider sense range.

Naruto also has the LS advantage here; it’s actually a massive one. Luffy is Class P in Gear 5 IIRC (his profile just hasn’t been updated and still reflects the value from the outdated Onigashima calc). So it’s Class Z vs Class P. With that advantage, any single hold Naruto gets on Luffy becomes very significant. Naruto could easily pin Luffy down while sending in a barrage of Rasenshuriken and Bijuu Bombs. Yes, by that I mean those massive bombs that span tens of kilometers with each drop, damaging Luffy on the cellular level.

So i’ll be voting Naruto

 

[Maitreya12]

Huh, Luffy's speed statistics values are kinda off, but he's 16.43c to 35.33c in Gear 5th and 40.1c in Giant Form

You should add SPSM Nards AP amps btw

KSPSM: 59.44 ZT physically, 118.88 with his stronger Ninjutsu and Empowerment, 178.32 ZT with Asura Avatar, 356.64 ZT with SP Ultra-Big Ball Rasenshuriken

Ok yeah. I think some of the profile values need updating since I was just going off of the wiki pages.

So in general Luffy would be 4x Naruto’s base speed and about 1.5x faster than Naruto’s reactions.

Naruto would be equal to Luffy’s strongest attacks physically and about 6x stronger than Luffy with his strongest move unless the AP values for Luffy need updating as well.

Anything else I’m missing?

 

[Kachon123]

I don’t know the variability of Luffy’s speed in his G5 state here. I didn’t note it when I read it, but I’ll assume he usually starts at 16c to 35c while in his smaller state (since that’s what Kachon highlighted). Naruto, with empowerment, completely statues a 28c character from a distance, which, when put into perspective, is very impressive compared to an opponent who’s casually at 16–35c.

Problem with this is that Luffy becomes faster the more he fights when laughing and due to acceleration. At his peak, he's able to statue 35c characters like Kizaru, so he's similar to Naruto in that regard.

He’s also able to do more damage in his empowered state compared to 9x Rasenshuriken. So a blitz + one-shot advantage is feasible here, since Naruto is already stronger than Luffy even with ACoC. But empowerment is not a variable we can control in a vs match, so it depends on how pressed Naruto gets into actually going all out. The point on luffy seeing “Into the future” here, so he won’t be hit is not so relevant here. Since naruto, even before the war arc, was already dealing with the 3 tomoe Sharingan which can get glimpses of the future and acts flawlessly to them.

3 tomoe Sharingan is more similar to basic Kenbunshoku Haki, which sees glimpses of the future among other sensory abilities. Luffy in Dressrosa already showed the ability to precog stomp other Kenbunshoku Haki users, and this was far before advancing it into Future Sight. Future Sight is consistently portrayed as far superior to regular Kenbunshoku Haki. It also grants Luffy a perception and reaction speed amp that allows him to view relative fighters in slowed time.

Looking at Naruto’s opening moves, he’d likely start out with clones while having his main self behind, looking for where to strike a chord. Conqueror’s Haki flex isn’t destroying the clones either, since it’s within the caliber of attacks each clone can withstand. And since it’s AOE, its potency is probably even less. Luffy will be able to handle some of the clones, sure, and might not even get overpowered, since Naruto’s goal here is to figure out his fighting style and abilities. It’s also worth noting that Luffy will have a hard time hitting these clones due to Senjutsu having overall better reactions and a wider sense range.

Clones get taken out by characters of relative AP, which Luffy's Conqueror's Haki falls under. It gets stronger the longer the fight goes on as well, which makes it a feasible option for Luffy to take them all out.

Luffy is actually the person with better reactions and senses here, so hitting clones wouldn't be an issue for him, especially since he can see the future. Them trying to find out Luffy's fighting style would be naught considering what Gear 5th is and how his creativity and unpredictability is enhanced by his Subjective Reality Manipulation.

Naruto also has the LS advantage here; it’s actually a massive one. Luffy is Class P in Gear 5 IIRC (his profile just hasn’t been updated and still reflects the value from the outdated Onigashima calc). So it’s Class Z vs Class P. With that advantage, any single hold Naruto gets on Luffy becomes very significant. Naruto could easily pin Luffy down while sending in a barrage of Rasenshuriken and Bijuu Bombs. Yes, by that I mean those massive bombs that span tens of kilometers with each drop, damaging Luffy on the cellular level.

Luffy can grow in size to several kilometers, so even if he's being held down by several clones, it would not take much for him to grow to a size so big to where holding him would become an issue.

Getting barraged by Rasenshuriken and Bijuu Bombs means very little, as does their AoE. Luffy's attack reflection worked on Kaidou's Blast Breath, which is big enough to shoot all the way through Onigashima and cause explosions that destroy mountain ranges. Luffy's attack reflection also returns attacks with 8x the force, so if Naruto's ever hit with one of those it would be an instant win for Luffy. Rasenshuriken's cellular damage wouldn't touch Luffy due to Armament Haki Emission allowing Luffy to hit people without making physical contact. He can also turn it to rubber with his Subjective Reality Manipulation to completely negate its effects.

I'll be voting Luffy due to his superior speed and durability negation giving him the ability to land several fatal blows on Naruto without him being able to properly react. His Subjective Reality Manipulation, Future Sight, Conqueror's Haki also gives him answers to most of Naruto's kit such as Rasenshuriken, clones, and tsos. Luffy only getting faster and stronger as the fight goes on doesn't help Naruto here.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Lowkey forgot the 35c calc even existed.

I’m not gonna lie, it’ll be hard for Naruto to land an attack here since his combat and attack speed are about 3–4x slower than G5. And this is not even putting Future Sight in the picture yet. Luffy also seems to have better mobility, unpredictability, and a limb range advantage. So yeah, it’s definitely gonna be a tough one.

I don’t know the variability of Luffy’s speed in his G5 state here. I didn’t note it when I read it, but I’ll assume he usually starts at 16c to 35c while in his smaller state (since that’s what Kachon highlighted). Naruto, with empowerment, completely statues a 28c character from a distance, which, when put into perspective, is very impressive compared to an opponent who’s casually at 16–35c.

He’s also able to do more damage in his empowered state compared to 9x Rasenshuriken. So a blitz + one-shot advantage is feasible here, since Naruto is already stronger than Luffy even with ACoC. But empowerment is not a variable we can control in a vs match, so it depends on how pressed Naruto gets into actually going all out. The point on luffy seeing “Into the future” here, so he won’t be hit is not so relevant here. Since naruto, even before the war arc, was already dealing with the 3 tomoe Sharingan which can get glimpses of the future and acts flawlessly to them.

Looking at Naruto’s opening moves, he’d likely start out with clones while having his main self behind, looking for where to strike a chord. Conqueror’s Haki flex isn’t destroying the clones either, since it’s within the caliber of attacks each clone can withstand. And since it’s AOE, its potency is probably even less. Luffy will be able to handle some of the clones, sure, and might not even get overpowered, since Naruto’s goal here is to figure out his fighting style and abilities. It’s also worth noting that Luffy will have a hard time hitting these clones due to Senjutsu having overall better reactions and a wider sense range.

Naruto also has the LS advantage here; it’s actually a massive one. Luffy is Class P in Gear 5 IIRC (his profile just hasn’t been updated and still reflects the value from the outdated Onigashima calc). So it’s Class Z vs Class P. With that advantage, any single hold Naruto gets on Luffy becomes very significant. Naruto could easily pin Luffy down while sending in a barrage of Rasenshuriken and Bijuu Bombs. Yes, by that I mean those massive bombs that span tens of kilometers with each drop, damaging Luffy on the cellular level.

So i’ll be voting Naruto

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Wasn't going to say anything but legit realized you an image helper, I expected better from you

 

[Kaydee1648]

You an image helper... Make the images smaller

Wasn't going to say anything but legit realized you an image helper, I expected better from you

buy me dinner first then i’ll reduce them

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

buy me dinner first then i’ll reduce them

...Maybe if this u

This you

Otherwise

 

[Kachon123]

It's also worth mentioning that Luffy's Advanced Armament straight up pulverizes internal organs and has regeneration negation. Unless Naruto has feats of internal durability, a few punches might be enough to put him down for good.

When paired with Gear 5th's durability negation and a significant speed and precognition advantage, there's not much Naruto can do here to defend himself (especially since clones are a non-factor)

 

[Kaydee1648]

I’ll try to get a response up tomorrow (or today depending on your time zone)
I have a meeting to host in the morning

 

[Maitreya12]

I updated the OP with the correct standards for the battle.

 

[Kachon123]

(sorry for posting several times, Luffy has a lot of abilities and I just want to make sure I cover all of my bases)

Luffy's Accelerated Development should help significantly with the AP gap on Naruto's stronger attacks.

His first form of AD allows him to overpower attacks that had enough power to one-shot him minutes earlier

His second form of AD which comes from laughing is very similar, which lets him one-shot characters who could go blow for blow with him mere moments ago.

His third form of AD comes from Haki, which grows significantly stronger in battle to where when prompted, it can grow to allow the user to damage characters who could tank their blows.

These are stacked on each other which means eventually, and under a short timeframe, Luffy's normal attacks would grow to the level of Naruto's stronger jutsu like Bijuu Bombs.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Whats stopping a haki flex?

 

[Kachon123]

Whats stopping a haki flex?

Which type of Haki?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Which type of Haki?

At this point of time... all of them lol.

 

[Foriaa]

Voting Naruto via range and hax.

 

[Kachon123]

At this point of time... all of them lol.

Well considering Luffy's faster and has significantly better precog, I'd say that a Kenbun flex is possible

Naruto has no hax that he directly applies on a target, but an Armament flex would be useful for blocking out the heat from Lava Style Rasenshuriken and negating regeneration. Armament Emission can also stop any dangerous attacks by stopping it from making contact with him. Advanced Armament Emission would give him potent dura neg.

Conqueror's flex works against clones.

 

[Kachon123]

Voting Naruto via range and hax.

This isn't really a reason. Could you elaborate?