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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

Does the rule apply for both content revisions and calc group threads?

Like, three cg thread is on, so you can't make a content revision?
 
Then which threads are on currently? I only see two.

That "Re:Zero upgrade" thread just stays on for nothing rn.
 
Then which threads are on currently?
There was a closure just recently. The rest are that one removing the CM "mistranslation" from Ryūken, the one talking about High 3-A Reinhard, the Od=Conceptslop one, and the Spirit regen one.
 
the one talking about High 3-A Reinhard
That should be closed.

Why would a CRT stay open just so people might make a calc about it. Just close it and argue it within general discussion or ask other people for calculations(or do it yourself :d).

Create it or open the same CRT again after there is a calc. That one just keeps space for absolutely nothing rn.
 
So, closed 2 of the open CRT's, now there are 3 open?

Popular verses are able to have up to 6 CRT's ie Dragon Ball, not sure what the current rule is for verses like Naruto or Bleach, Re Zero certainly isn't that popular, though comics have an exception due to dense story material.

At this point, Re Zero has 40+ volumes of content from just the main story, I think being restricted to 3 open CRTS, is a bit ridiculous, we are constantly getting new material, and there is so much to do based on stuff already released.
 
So, closed 2 of the open CRT's, now there are 3 open?

Popular verses are able to have up to 6 CRT's ie Dragon Ball, not sure what the current rule is for verses like Naruto or Bleach, Re Zero certainly isn't that popular, though comics have an exception due to dense story material.

At this point, Re Zero has 40+ volumes of content from just the main story, I think being restricted to 3 open CRTS, is a bit ridiculous, we are constantly getting new material, and there is so much to do based on stuff already released.
yeah, once again, there is like a lot of backlog for stuff that needs to be cleared. Could we pitch for being allowed 3+ CRTs?
 
Had a little time, and went way too deep down the speed rabbit hole...

I think we need to improve on the justifications on the profiles, while also acknowledging the inconsistency's, but most likely the current scaling is the most balanced.

I have also concluded Tappei has no idea how fast lightning is suppose to be, how do you have someone supposedly being lightning speed, while performing blatant FTL speed feats in the same paragraph
 
I have also concluded Tappei has no idea how fast lightning is suppose to be, how do you have someone supposedly being lightning speed, while performing blatant FTL speed feats in the same paragraph
Looking at jiwald in the anime, he thinks light=lightning and we should probably work with that in mind whenever we scale stuff

err some characters do have much higher reaction speed, like Emilia could block point blank Light speed attack with her magic instinctively iirc
 
Re:Zero needs way more speed calcs, it's bizarre for the verse size that there's only like 3 speed calcs

There should at least be more to support like everyone in the verse being sub-rel
 
You don't fw "Moving at lightning speed, Cecilus danced through the storm of heat rays." ?!

I'd say there are three main arguments against Fast As **** mid-tiers in Re:Zero:
  • Subaru's guiltywhip is at all relevant. He says that whips are used even by powerful individuals, and is confident in the speed of his strikes. This is a little bogged down by his whip getting handles comically easily 90% of the time (Sirius, Roy, Emilia, Crusch), but still.
  • Lightning is considered fast for Nerfedhard, and surely Nerfedhard is still a lot faster than say, Emilia.
  • Yae's "the fastest brandish of the steel thread iaido approached the speed of sound", which is pretty self-explanatory. But that could be a bit out-of-step even with mach speed scaling, what with pre-arc 1 Elsa making 4 simultaneous supersonic attacks look like a joke.
 
With the whip example, how fast you swing the whip changes how fast the whip strike is. A superhuman swinging a whip is gonna make the loop & tip move faster than a IRL human. It doesn't have a capped speed

So like that isn't necessarily an anti-feat
 
With the whip example, how fast you swing the whip changes how fast the whip strike is. A superhuman swinging a whip is gonna make the loop & tip move faster than a IRL human. It doesn't have a capped speed

So like that isn't necessarily an anti-feat
This is true, but Subaru's speed without the whip is never once given any sort of hype or statements. I think you can get it up to subsonic with wn scaling, but that's about it. You can't even really get there from the ln alone afaik. Though we already accept Rom being able to crush a car from the wn and Tappei just referenced something that was cut from the ln eight years ago so... In any case, Subaru is superhuman but he's also blatantly below supersonic and going from that to relativistic with a whip is a massive stretch.

In my opinion the only real outlier that creates this problem is Emilia reacting to Jiwald. I think Tappei may have tried to justify it as a matchup diff of sorts due to her ice reflecting but it just doesn't make sense. Well, I think it actually may have more to do with her intuition predicting them before they are fired but clearly others disagree. Characters like Cecilus and those relative to him being able to react to Jiwald is fine. That makes sense.
 
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This being the fastest attack Subaru ever unleashes is so funny, he sucks. Sirius similarly fodderizes an explicitly speed-prioritizing strike, and Emilia calls the guiltywhip something she can snatch mid-strike with ease.

Re:Zero needs way more calcs
True! It's just tough for a novel. Priscilla has a decent slow-mo feat in season 3. Reid cut some light-speed attacks in season 4. But the former isn't gonna be near subrel and the latter only scales to god tiers.
 
There was a closure just recently. The rest are that one removing the CM "mistranslation" from Ryūken, the one talking about High 3-A Reinhard, the Od=Conceptslop one, and the Spirit regen one.
Isn't the spirit regen in questions and answers
 
This is true, but Subaru's speed without the whip is never once given any sort of hype or statements. I think you can get it up to subsonic with wn scaling, but that's about it. You can't even really get there from the ln alone afaik. Though we already accept Rom being able to crush a car from the wn and Tappei just referenced something that was cut from the ln eight years ago so... In any case, Subaru is superhuman but he's also blatantly below supersonic and going from that to relativistic with a whip is a massive stretch.

In my opinion the only real outlier that creates this problem is Emilia reacting to Jiwald. I think Tappei may have tried to justify it as a matchup diff of sorts due to her ice reflecting but it just doesn't make sense. Well, I think it actually may have more to do with her intuition predicting them before they are fired but clearly others disagree. Characters like Cecilus and those relative to him being able to react to Jiwald is fine. That makes sense.
Jamal in the corner reacting to Jiwald.

Medium in the other corner reacting to Balleroy's bullets which are said to be the speed of Jiwald in the LN.

Carol dodging it midair with no room to escape.

Roswaal J dodging after it was fired.

But Yae's fastest attack being only near the speed of sound is funny. I'm crying man it's actually funny.
 
I don't know what to tell you man 😭. She was cutting Balleroy's bullets as Roswaal was flying her and Roswaal was glazing her saying he couldn't even see the bullets calling Medium and Balleroy exceptional. Then says the yang bullet have the same properties as jiwald but it takes different form.

It's the same type of stand as star platinum
 
Not really. I think even in the WN Roswaal says the difference is due to the difference being a ray vs bullet but they are the same in other metrics. Even being deflected, leaving heat marks, and etc.
Roswaal explicitly says Magic Bullets is not like Jiwald, being Yang Magic of an entirely original creation. And it says what he can't keep track of is Balleroy due to the distance, while Medium and Balleroy overcame it through DP of Morale and light-bending scope respectively. Did you not just misread the jp?
 
I will make this better for y'all, in the recent chapter it's implied that Hell's Snipe and Jiwald Reached Reinhard at relatively the same time

Those lips seemed to produce a sound bereft of sound, or perhaps not.

All manner of phenomena, present outside the realm of his comprehension, while taking that which merely flowed from right to left in as information, Garfiel―― right, he was Garfiel. As his brain, once again recognizing his own self as Garfiel, took all of that in, he processed the information.

Red was there, green had collapsed, and Garfiel was present.

And thereupon――,

?????: [Together now!]

?????: [Crimson Scorpion-cha~n!]

Two streaks of white light shot through the sky, tracing the firing line that had opened upon green’s collapse, charging in a mad dash directly towards red.

Devoid of sound that resembled any notion of sound, twin streaks of light closed in on red faster than any arrow―― on red, which still had its right arm sealed, and had just performed a full swing with its left.

Red: [I’m surprised.]

However, utilizing the elbow of the left arm that had felled green, red flicked the sword in the white scabbard hanging by its waist up, by half a revolution, perfectly parrying the lights from the side.

Repelling the lights with a sound akin to splashing water, the assault that ought to have reached red, Reinhard―― the combined offensive of Petra and Meili was, therefore, thwarted.

Garfiel’s all-out gambit, Otto’s sacrificial play, Petra and Meili’s surprise attack, all had failed to reach Reinhard――,

???: [――――]

――A spiked ball of iron, ferociously revolving, pummeled straight into Reinhard’s core
From chapter 18 of arc 10
 
Jamal in the corner reacting to Jiwald.
This very easily can be an aim reaction.
Medium in the other corner reacting to Balleroy's bullets which are said to be the speed of Jiwald in the LN.
It seems like this isn't completely true anyway but Medium is blatantly a high-tier for that one specific fight because Tappei wanted to anti-hype Roswaal.
Carol dodging it midair with no room to escape.
With her special technique. Also a high tier way beyond Emilia.
Roswaal J dodging after it was fired.
Another high tier.
But Yae's fastest attack being only near the speed of sound is funny. I'm crying man it's actually funny.
Yeah, that was just kinda nonsensical.

I really do just think it's Emilia and those who scale to her being relativistic that should be considered an outlier.
 
You don't fw "Moving at lightning speed, Cecilus danced through the storm of heat rays." ?!
When was this? (I mean the line, i remember the event but couldn't find this line :d)
I will make this better for y'all, in the recent chapter it's implied that Hell's Snipe and Jiwald Reached Reinhard at relatively the same time
Btw. is hell snipe still on the same level as it was before or weaker etc?
 
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In retrospect, Hell's Snipe actually being light speed makes perfect sense considering Subaru's perceptions are able to see high level fights just fine and even saw Garf in slow motion but it crossed the 10 km desert without even allowing him enough time to blink.
 
I really do just think it's Emilia and those who scale to her being relativistic that should be considered an outlier.
I was thinking about it and i think its explainable when you consider the fact that reaction speed is typically higher than your normal combat speed, it also seems to me like her vastly higher reaction speed is only limited to her magic since she mostly just reacts by creating barriers (like to protect Subaru or to block that one point blank light speed attack in arc 8)

her normal speed wouldn't change from this
 
Is it sub relativistic reaction speed, is it combat speed, is lightning truly lightning or faster than lightning, are only supersonic feats valid, find out next time on speed is a mess part 3, electric boogaloe.

No, but seriously we have to analyze all the feats again, get them all in one place and try and make sense of the nonsense. I can do a thread in a couple weeks.
 
Is it sub relativistic reaction speed, is it combat speed,
sub rel seems like a good mid-point to me
is lightning truly lightning or faster than lightning,
Tappei considers Light=Lightning!!
are only supersonic feats valid,
retcon!
find out next time on speed is a mess part 3, electric boogaloe.
Al Shario Crusaders...
No, but seriously we have to analyze all the feats again, get them all in one place and try and make sense of the nonsense. I can do a thread in a couple weeks.
true also check your dms!
 
I think its similar to Authors thinking something sounds cool in a vacuum

Like in DBS Manga, Toyotaro inserted line that implies Zamasu can destroy a Galaxy or how Moro exploding will destroy a galaxy / galaxies only because it sounds cool.

In the anime... lets not talk about goku struggling to damage fighters with steel skins or whatnot





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