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The Monster Hunt: Alita vs The Unconscious Monster (0-0-0)

Viott said:
Oops, I thought he would rise to 8-B.

Alright, if UI Daniel is High 8-C, I’m starting over. Goo had a cutting tool in his hand. And even though Goo has resistance to analytical prediction, UI Daniel could still dodge Goo’s attacks. Because of this, he easily dodges Maki’s attacks. Also, by hitting pressure points, he can deal significant damage. And in the end, he wins.

My vote is still for UI Daniel.
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Dawg, if UI Daniel has adapted to Maki, it means every stat is equalized to her due to UI's weakness with the exception of durability
 
Also voting for UI Daniel, Maki doesn’t know Daniel’s weakness so I heavily doubt she would be able to use PoP in one match without knowledge beforehand. Even though Daniel can’t sense cursed energy, he would still do his utmost to avoid any attacks from Maki with the tool because that’s just how his UI fighting style is. He would take that advantage and hit her with pressure point damage and eventually just win. Especially since he’s the one pulling his stats down to her level (ergo, the original stat advantage), her key doesn’t have the skills or hax to take advantage of it
 
Pyro9278 said:
I'll play devil's advocate later, but for now I'll just explain a couple of things: Kiyotaka's win condition is either cutting Daniel or incapacitating him with drugs or the taser. His durability will prevent any common physical attack from being useless against Daniel, but he should still be vulnerable to cuts or punctures, considering the verse has a street-fighting logic and not a bulletproof ability
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UI Daniel should be immune to tazers (due to Jerry and Kitae power creeping them) as well as most drugs, unless its opiods (Jinyoung tried every drug in 1A and only opiods worked and also LSD(?)/shrooms in 3A, and all of these only extended UI Daniel's cooldown so they would basically be useless) so his only win con is via cutting
 
Pyro9278 said:
Maki Zenin:
  • Maki is in Character.
  • The Incomplete Heavenly Restriction Key is used.
  • She has prior knowledge of the High 8-C durability.
Daniel Park (UI): 2 ( @Viott @CatLover313 )
  • Daniel UI is in character.
  • The Ultra Instinct Key is used. It is adapted to Maki's level.
The fight takes place on the streets of Seoul, at night, starting 8 meters apart. Unequal Speed and SBA.
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Its 4 am and it just dawned on me its BOS Maki, not 'commit a minor genocide' prime Toji, aura farm Maki, so for a solid minute I was like 'why is my Boi Daniel fighting a mountain buster **** is my Boi supposed to do?"😭🙏

Given its BOS Maki and its equalized stats Daniel eats her alive, he just has better almost everything except hax and even that's debatable💀
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
"PLEASE DANIEL I'LL DO ANYTHING! I'LL ******* SUCK YOUR DICK! YOU WANT ME TO EAT YOUR SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR ******* SHIT ON THE WHITE ROOM'S FRONT LAWN!" - Ayanogoat's last moments 😭
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Can someone explain to me how this even started💀

Why is lookism vs classroom of the elite even a beef lmao

Not that I am complaining, I've had enough of hearing 12 year olds LARPing that they are some dark empath manipulator because of that poorly written twink manipulator

UI Daniel, copy Omni man and giving him the mt everest special😌
 
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Ul Daniel has better martial arts and ANPR. I don't think Maki can pull off PoP, and I also don't think she could land a clean hit on him without getting blocked or reflected. (Lowkey Like Johan vs UI Daniel situation)

Voting for Daniel.
 
Even assuming Maki has access to her equipment (Playful Cloud mainly, I don't see other weapons doing much of a difference in her arsenal at that specific key), there is a massive speed difference. Yes, UI adapts to "the level of the opponent", but it can also stop holding back to some degree if the fighter is too strong (TUI Gun vs SB UI Daniel fight). Better physical AP (bare-handed), better speed and better LS. You can argue for a skill diff, but I'm not gonna get into that as it's genuinely not necessary. Isn't this a stomp?
 
I don’t know much about Maki but I do know that there’s a glaring skill difference so I think Daniel just takes this.
 
Mercury009 said:
Even assuming Maki has access to her equipment (Playful Cloud mainly, I don't see other weapons doing much of a difference in her arsenal at that specific key), there is a massive speed difference. Yes, UI adapts to "the level of the opponent", but it can also stop holding back to some degree if the fighter is too strong (TUI Gun vs SB UI Daniel fight). Better physical AP (bare-handed), better speed and better LS. You can argue for a skill diff, but I'm not gonna get into that as it's genuinely not necessary. Isn't this a stomp?
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I don't think Daniel UI needs to increase his speed any further since he'll recognize that Maki isn't that fast or that talented, but on the other hand, having a weapon will make him act quite defensively (much more than usual) and counterattack at the slightest opening in his defense.

I think Maki has a chance if she simply uses her reach advantage to try and corner him.
 
Pyro9278 said:
I don't think Daniel UI needs to increase his speed any further since he'll recognize that Maki isn't that fast or that talented, but on the other hand, having a weapon will make him act quite defensively (much more than usual) and counterattack at the slightest opening in his defense.

I think Maki has a chance if she simply uses her reach advantage to try and corner him.
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Goo couldn't even touch him in a room. If the area is larger, Maki won't be able to corner him.


Also, Daniel would deal more damage by striking Maki's pressure points. Maki wouldn't be able to endure that for very long.
 
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hello, i wanted to apply the changes discussed and accepted here https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-incredibles-i-got-this-last-incredibles-movie-he-saw-was-7-years-ago.191179/ in this profile https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Incredible Unlocked
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Alita's page is outdated because it literally misses a bunch of feats from the manga re-releases which sucks. Her pre-tuned body already beat a sonic speed guy and she can accelerate objects to supersonic speeds, so the profile needs to updated.
 
Arkenis said:
I updated it just last year. Where are these manga re-releases?


Can you show what you're referring to?
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In her civilian body, flicked a metal ball to match the sonic finger's shot, and then defeated him in martial combat. (Battle Angel Alita Holy Night & Other Stories - Sonic Finger Part 2, Page 162)
Alita's morning workout routine. (Battle Angel Alita Holy Night & Other Stories - Sonic Finger Part 1, Page 115)
In her civilian body, she got hit in the head by the sonic fingers metal ball shot. Though Doctor Ido pointed out that the angle of the ball is why she didn't die.

Some scans might not be available, imgur deleted them, but the chapters are there.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
In her civilian body, flicked a metal ball to match the sonic finger's shot, and then defeated him in martial combat. (Battle Angel Alita Holy Night & Other Stories - Sonic Finger Part 2, Page 162)
Alita's morning workout routine. (Battle Angel Alita Holy Night & Other Stories - Sonic Finger Part 1, Page 115)
In her civilian body, she got hit in the head by the sonic fingers metal ball shot. Though Doctor Ido pointed out that the angle of the ball is why she didn't die.

Some scans might not be available, imgur deleted them, but the chapters are there.
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Oh I remember this. What does it meaningfully change for her page? I can read it now see if there's something that matters, it just looked like good support for transonic stuff.
 
Arkenis said:
Oh I remember this. What does it meaningfully change for her page? I can read it now see if there's something that matters, it just looked like good support for transonic stuff.
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This is her civilian body, it's weaker than either tuned body or berserker body. It shouldn't be limited to subsonic if she can directly fight and defeat sonic speed opponents and throw projectiles at supersonic speeds in combat. Currently, the profile is split between pre-tuned and tuned, when it should be more civilian, motorball, berserker, and tuned. The speed rating should also be higher.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
This is her civilian body, it's weaker than either tuned body or berserker body. It shouldn't be limited to subsonic if she can directly fight and defeat sonic speed opponents and throw projectiles at supersonic speeds in combat. Currently, the profile is split between pre-tuned and tuned, when it should be more civilian, motorball, berserker, and tuned. The speed rating should also be higher.
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Where's the supersonic statement? I just read it, chapter 5 is just him being sos. Should be a quick crt to do. But there's no reason to create more keys, civilian and motorball are mostly the same, we can just put "lower in motorball body"

Edit: Plus this match is for Berserker which already has transonic on page anyway.
 
Arkenis said:
Where's the supersonic statement? I just read it, chapter 5 is just him being sos. Should be a quick crt to do. But there's no reason to create more keys, civilian and motorball are mostly the same, we can just put "lower in motorball body"

Edit: Plus this match is for Berserker which already has transonic on page anyway.
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Read the part where it says a cyborg can flick a 10m ball or shuriken with enough accuracy and force to rival a 0.50 cal. Then that cyborg was trounced by the sonic finger, and alita matched the sonic finger's shot with her own 10m ball.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
Read the part where it says a cyborg can flick a 10m ball or shuriken with enough accuracy and force to rival a 0.50 cal. Then that cyborg was trounced by the sonic finger, and alita matched the sonic finger's shot with her own 10m ball.
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Yeah it doesn't say supersonic. The framing is that the character who beat Machakeo is speed of sound not supersonic. Within 50 yards Machakeo has the power and accuracy of a 50 cal, 50 cals are regularly used at 1500 yards not 50 meaning he'd drop off in power and accuracy at those distances.
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah it doesn't say supersonic. The framing is that the character who beat Machakeo is speed of sound not supersonic. Within 50 yards Machakeo has the power and accuracy of a 50 cal, 50 cals are regularly used at 1500 yards not 50 meaning he'd drop off in power and accuracy at those distances.
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If you can accelerate a ball to the same force as a 0.50 cal within 50 yards, that ball is already moving at supersonic speeds. Your flick motion is also moving at supersonic speeds, that's why the balls have a shockwave resembling that of a bullet. That's why the balls making a sonic boom. I'm not sure why it's surprising that a character with sonic speed hands can accelerate a ball or knife to supersonic speeds. You can already throw things faster than you typically touch your own hands together.

shockwave-shadows-by-smarter-everyday-supersonic-vs-subsonic-bullets.jpg


 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
If you can accelerate a ball to the same force as a 0.50 cal within 50 yards, that ball is already moving at supersonic speeds. Your flick motion is also moving at supersonic speeds, that's why the balls have a shockwave resembling that of a bullet. That's why the balls making a sonic boom. I'm not sure why it's surprising that a character with sonic speed hands can accelerate a ball or knife to supersonic speeds. You can already throw things faster than you typically touch your own hands together.

shockwave-shadows-by-smarter-everyday-supersonic-vs-subsonic-bullets.jpg


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No, force doesn't have to do with speed always, that's also something we don't really conflate on the wiki. Wiki also don't accept sonic booms as demonstrative of supersonic. But the most important thing is the story frames the character as speed of sound not supersonic. Alita didn't react to the ball, and even if she had, it wouldn't make her supersonic outright.

I know you read the manga, so you know the story portrays supersonic as something she only reached in her Tuned body and that its something she only did after a mental boost.
 
Arkenis said:
No, force doesn't have to do with speed always, that's also something we don't really conflate on the wiki. Wiki also don't accept sonic booms as demonstrative of supersonic. But the most important thing is the story frames the character as speed of sound not supersonic. Alita didn't react to the ball, and even if she had, it wouldn't make her supersonic outright.

I know you read the manga, so you know the story portrays supersonic as something she only reached in her Tuned body and that its something she only did after a mental boost.
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F=MA, it will literally have to do with the speed because they're telling us it does. Not only that, Gunnm is not Naruto. Gunnm uses sonic booms and shockwaves frequently to show supersonic speeds. You as well know this because any time someone some like Kaos, a pure human, swings his sword and it's supersonic and the characters say supersonic we see the accompanying shockwave and sonic boom.

Alita reacted to the ball, she has to, to immediately shoot the ball to hit his ball dead on. It's the entire point of a duel. It would make her supersonic, it doesn't mean every single type of movement she makes is supersonic but her limbs are very obviously supersonic. It's a thing you see throughout the entire series for various characters. Whether it's Zekka literally explaining this about speed in last order. (Battle Angel Alita Last Order, vol. 4 Omnibus, Phase 60, 64)
To Alita fighting Caerula, and pointing out that Caerula is subsonic due to lack of sonic booms and shockwaves.
To Toji's reverse thrust being fast and we see the accompanying sonic boom and shockwave.
And more and more and more. The "wiki" should be accepting the terms that the narrative of a body of work has. It isn't there because Kishiro has no clue how speed works, it's because he does.
 
Insane slam.

Alita stats:
  • AP: 6.70 Tons
  • LS: At least class K, no value provided (we can use the bare minimum of 100 tons)
  • Speed: Transonic, likely higher (Couldn't find an actual value, so we can stick with 343 m/s until someone else can point anywhere else)

Daniel stats:
  • AP: 2.22 Tons
  • LS: Upscales from 171.012 Metric Tons (Class K)
  • Speed: Up to 731.991 m/s

AP territory: x3.01 AP difference for Alita
LS territory: A slight x1.7 victory for Daniel
Speed: At the very least an x2 speed gap for Daniel

Hax: Holy moly
Plasma generation, Forcefield, full-body Cyborgization along with immortality type 2. I don't think there is much in Daniel's bag that he can do to even breach her defences without being charred in return. Along with the fact that her entire body is machinery, pressure points are likely to just not work at all in Daniel's instance.

I'm seeing this as a very easy win for Alita
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
F=MA, it will literally have to do with the speed because they're telling us it does. Not only that, Gunnm is not Naruto. Gunnm uses sonic booms and shockwaves frequently to show supersonic speeds. You as well know this because any time someone some like Kaos, a pure human, swings his sword and it's supersonic and the characters say supersonic we see the accompanying shockwave and sonic boom.

Alita reacted to the ball, she has to, to immediately shoot the ball to hit his ball dead on. It's the entire point of a duel. It would make her supersonic, it doesn't mean every single type of movement she makes is supersonic but her limbs are very obviously supersonic. It's a thing you see throughout the entire series for various characters. Whether it's Zekka literally explaining this about speed in last order. (Battle Angel Alita Last Order, vol. 4 Omnibus, Phase 60, 64)
To Alita fighting Caerula, and pointing out that Caerula is subsonic due to lack of sonic booms and shockwaves.
To Toji's reverse thrust being fast and we see the accompanying sonic boom and shockwave.
And more and more and more. The "wiki" should be accepting the terms that the narrative of a body of work has. It isn't there because Kishiro has no clue how speed works, it's because he does.
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I'll wait for the crt.
 
Mercury009 said:
Alita stats:
  • AP: 6.70 Tons
Daniel stats:
  • AP: 2.22 Tons
AP territory: x3.01 AP difference for Alita
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Small correction :
Actually, the AP gap isn't really that big. Because 2.22 Tons is just the base value. Like, Gun in his base has 2.22 Tons scaling, but in TUI with a 3x multiplier, it's 6.66 Tons. And since Ul Daniel fought TUI Gun, UI Daniel also scales to 6.66 Tons. So yeah the gap isn't really 3x between Alita and Daniel

But I still think Alita wins via sheer ability gap
 
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