[0-4-3] So wild you couldn't chase it with Pure Love Train - Kinji Hakari vs Mahoraga

[Sus]

mahoraga can also adapt to deal soul damage btw

 

[Sus]

not to mention "adapting to someone's existence" whatever that shit does is gonna happen if hakari takes too long

 

[Arkenis]

Fellas, this is pretty simply "How Long Does It Take Hakari To Start Changing Domain's Location To The Reactor"!

Raga 100% dies to the radiation inside the reactor, no immortality of his would impede that without an specific resistance to radiation, because being inside of a working reactor straight up kills ya (from what i know, it'd need Low-High or Mid-High since it liquefies you)
Hakari can just TP the domain in a way where Raga is inside the reactor and he's at its door, since its tens of meters wide

We saw that he does that in the Kashimo 1v1 after a bit, the question is: will he attempt to do so before Makora adapts to his domain/technique?

My guess is yes and that's more than a valid wincon, so we can debate it and 100% is not a stomp :>

Why wouldn't he just jump away and now gain adaption? And won't Hakari also be in the reactor?

This is all assuming the reactor can even harm Mahoraga with his invul as a shikigami.

 

[Sus]

Why wouldn't he just jump away and now gain adaption? And won't Hakari also be in the reactor?

This is all assuming the reactor can even harm Mahoraga with his invul as a shikigami.

wait i completely forgot about this

mahoraga can only be hurt with CE based stuff

 

[Sus]

also again, mahoraga can fly

 

[Nonynho]

now how that works

Hakari can move the domain while they're both in it

so he can move the domain into the reactor

once it's dispelled, they're... both in the reactor

so they both die

Well, Hakari negates stuff with causality manip and has purification, so he can just pop doors and get out of it from the top while Jackpot's still up
Sheer regen gets negged by radiation, but Jackpot being more than just regen gets Hakari to not die if he can escape while Jackpot's still up

 

[Nonynho]

This is all assuming the reactor can even harm Mahoraga with his invul as a shikigami.

radiation is a phenomena that has to be directly stated to be covered by their invul, which ain't the case

 

[Nonynho]

also again, mahoraga can fly

again, just by being inside a place with that much radiation he's cooked

 

[Sus]

again, just by being inside a place with that much radiation he's cooked

then so is hakari? depoisoning will do jack shit if even high-mid is insta killed

 

[Nonynho]

then so is hakari? depoisoning will do jack shit if even high-mid is insta killed

Jackpot causality manip gg?
Also it's called "radiation poisoning" so if it can deal with poisons, it can deal with the radiation if it is not instantly negged lol

If he's there for a split-second without Jackpot being up, it's gg for him too though

 

[Sus]

i don't see it whatsoever, but i will wait for more arguments so we don't derail and keep repeating

just to clarify misconceptions tho:

mahoraga can power null via adaptation, shown vs gojo

mahoraga does grow stronger, which is already accepted and stated

adaptation is NOT slow, and even if it is, hakari's case will be fast because he will continuously fight mahoraga and that speeds it up, unless he backs out which is not good for him because raga WILL STILL adapt
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adaptation is shown to be fast in all instances, it is only the infinity that is explicitly stated to be complex that took 4 spins


other than that id like to hear arguments from other people

 

[Nonynho]

As Hakari can deal with being in the reactor, i ask y'all, to be more easily comprehended:

-How fast can Makora get immune to PLT?
-Can Makora break the domain?

 

[Sus]

already responded in my last message (i know i just sent it, just telling u to check)

 

[Arkenis]

radiation is a phenomena that has to be directly stated to be covered by their invul, which ain't the case

Disagree but seeing how you're saying they're being poisoned by it, why can't Mahoraga just jump away? And start adapting afterwards?

 

[Sus]

t-How fast can Makora get immune to PLT?

things mahoraga adapted to with ONE spin:
slashing attacks (and their invisibility)
liquid metal
insects
red (presumably blue as well)

i will give you the benefit of the doubt and say immortality is complex, but we know its less complex than infinity so its 1-3 spins before mahoraga bypasses it and kills hakari

3 spins being generous

-Can Makora break the domain?

100%

 

[Nonynho]

mahoraga can power null via adaptation, shown vs gojo

How much time does it take to spin the wheel once?
Wouldn't adapting to PLT just make Maho a good player who can deal with the events? How does that make him deal better with Jackpot?

adaptation is NOT slow, and even if it is, hakari's case will be fast because he will continuously fight mahoraga and that speeds it up, unless he backs out which is not good for him because raga WILL STILL adapt

Hakari also gets stronger when in Jackpot, so it wouldn't be enough for Maho to stomp him AP-wise/be able to break the domain

3 spins being generous

if 4 were described as Slow, 3 spins should be more than enough time for Hakari to put him there

Disagree but seeing how you're saying they're being poisoned by it, why can't Mahoraga just jump away? And start adapting afterwards?

a split-second inside it would just be IKing Maho, as it would with anyone who doesn't resist radiation effects

 

[Mickey1940]

slicing it will prevent healing
and being unable to kill someone is definitely a phenomenon yk

you clearly didn't click the highlighted links

He can literally do this cuz he's been able to do this

Mahoraga slicing him would accomplish nothing cuz he heals faster than Mahoraga can damage

 

[Sus]

How much time does it take to spin the wheel once?

we saw that against gojo, sukuna and dabura, usually after 1 hit

Wouldn't adapting to PLT just make Maho a good player who can deal with the events? How does that make him deal better with Jackpot?

im talking about adapting to immortality

Hakari also gets stronger when in Jackpot, so it wouldn't be enough for Maho to stomp him AP-wise/be able to break the domain

domain breaking is unrelated to AP as i previously mentioned

you clearly didn't click the highlighted links

He can literally do this cuz he's been able to do this

Mahoraga slicing him would accomplish nothing cuz he heals faster than Mahoraga can damage

i did but the scans were broken, i do know the scene tho

 

[Mickey1940]

Well, Hakari negates stuff with causality manip and has purification, so he can just pop doors and get out of it from the top while Jackpot's still up

again, not how that works

causality manip is from him redoing sequences within his domain to get better odds

which obviously doesn't work outside of his domain

purification allows him to filter out poisons while in unkillable mode

but radiation is a completely different thing and it would just melt him anyways, so he dies

 

[Mickey1940]

i did but the scans were broken, i do know the scene tho

ok nvm, sorry for assuming

but you get my point right? mahoraga slicing legit wouldn't even work

 

[Sus]

ok nvm, sorry for assuming

but you get my point right? mahoraga slicing legit wouldn't even work

hakari cannot survive brain destruction

but thats irrelevant because mahoraga can and will adapt to immortality

 

[Sus]

lets not forget that invulnerability will protect mahoraga from radiation anyway

 

[Arkenis]

a split-second inside it would just be IKing Maho, as it would with anyone who doesn't resist radiation effects

Now I'm confused. What type of reactor is this? Cuz far as I know, you don't instantly die when being in a reactor. If Hakari's teleporting them directly into the water chamber that won't kill them instantly either.

 

[Sus]

its evil ass murder reactor

 

[Keshirou]

Makora slaughters

 

[Sus]

just noticed that mahoraga can regenerate his cursed tool??

 

[Mickey1940]

hakari cannot survive brain destruction

but thats irrelevant because mahoraga can and will adapt to immortality

he survived having his brain actively fried cuz he healed it faster than it was frying said brain

and no he can't. He's never canceled out other people's buffs. Where do you see powernull on his profile

 

[Sus]

he survived having his brain actively fried cuz he healed it faster than it was frying said brain

and no he can't. He's never canceled out other people's buffs. Where do you see powernull on his profile

"the ability to adapt to phenomena only works on the phenomena we saw on screen"

mahoraga can adapt to hakaris techniques be it soul damage or power null or anything else

and power null happened against gojo, infinity was never turned off thats genuinely a headcanon, in the manga we are told that agito and sukuna touched gojo because mahoraga neutralized infinity, no amplification or turning it off by gojo

 

[Sus]

i can't believe yall literally arguing mahoraga cant adapt to something WE HAVE A CANON COUNTER TO

 

[Mickey1940]

"the ability to adapt to phenomena only works on the phenomena we saw on screen"

mahoraga can adapt to hakaris techniques be it soul damage or power null or anything else

and power null happened against gojo, infinity was never turned off thats genuinely a headcanon, in the manga we are told that agito and sukuna touched gojo because mahoraga neutralized infinity, no amplification or turning it off by gojo

agito's punch was blocked in chapter 234, and then Gojo immediately annihilates him afterwards. he also used Infinity to block rubble that Mahoraga launched at him

The entire reason why we brought this up is to argue if Mahoraga can powernull abilities with his adaptation

which he's clearly shown to not be able to. He can adapt to and bypass Infinity, but he can't turn it off, he just ignores it

Mahoraga can't ignore regeneration in the same way. It's not like bypassing a barrier in a very black or white, yes or no scenario. Infinity is IMPEDING Mahoraga, and therefore Mahoraga is able to cancel it out. It's a tangible technique that can be interacted with, meaning it can be adapted to and bypassed. RCT/regeneration as a concept isn't something that is impeding Mahoraga. All of Mahoraga's attacks are able to work on Hakari, but Hakari is just reversing it after the fact by regenerating. Mahoraga has never been shown to negate things that it can't interact with

So even if Mahoraga adapts to Private Pure Love Train, it can't stop the regeneration since it's not something that affects Mahoraga at all, meaning it'd make no sense for him to be able to adapt to.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Mahoraga FRA even though this is a stomp in his favor due to Invul negging the radiation.

 

[Sus]

agito's punch was blocked in chapter 234, and then Gojo immediately annihilates him afterwards. he also used Infinity to block rubble that Mahoraga launched at him

in the same chapter we see agito bypassing it when mahoraga touched him

mahoraga isn't touching him = infinity is on

The entire reason why we brought this up is to argue if Mahoraga can powernull abilities with his adaptation

which he's clearly shown to not be able to. He can adapt to and bypass Infinity, but he can't turn it off, he just ignores it

reread when sukuna explained it

Mahoraga can't ignore regeneration in the same way. It's not like bypassing a barrier in a very black or white, yes or no scenario. Infinity is IMPEDING Mahoraga, and therefore Mahoraga is able to cancel it out. It's a tangible technique that can be interacted with, meaning it can be adapted to and bypassed. RCT/regeneration as a concept isn't something that is impeding Mahoraga. All of Mahoraga's attacks are able to work on Hakari, but Hakari is just reversing it after the fact by regenerating. Mahoraga has never been shown to negate things that it can't interact with

any and all phenomena, adaptation is both defensive and offensive, mahoraga quite literally can just adapt to use soul damage

So even if Mahoraga adapts to Private Pure Love Train, it can't stop the regeneration since it's not something that affects Mahoraga at all, meaning it'd make no sense for him to be able to adapt to.

not how adaptation works

 

[Sus]

saying mahoraga cant adapt to something outside jjk is understandable

but inside jjk?

 

[Sus]

Mahoraga FRA even though this is a stomp in his favor due to Invul negging the radiation.

THIS

 

[Sus]

@Nonynho its 1-1-4 currently

 

[Mickey1940]

any and all phenomena, adaptation is both defensive and offensive, mahoraga quite literally can just adapt to use soul damage

not how adaptation works

Mahoraga has only ever fought people who use RCT (besides Haruta but he obviously doesn't really matter in this conversation)

yet it can never cancel the RCT

so what's your proof that it can cancel RCT

besides "it can do it trust"

 

[Nonynho]

lets not forget that invulnerability will protect mahoraga from radiation anyway

because...?

I'll add myself to incon and 0-1-5 rn
weird tally, now i understood it

 

[Mickey1940]

Mahoraga FRA even though this is a stomp in his favor due to Invul negging the radiation.

he needs to adapt to the radiation first

which he can't do before he just dies

 

[Sus]

Mahoraga has only ever fought people who use RCT (besides Haruta but he obviously doesn't really matter in this conversation)

because the priority is adapting to the technique,
and literally only twice did someone heal from mahoraga anyway

yet it can never cancel the RCT

so what's your proof that it can cancel

because thats his technique? you think mahoraga will relentlessly slash and punch fruitlessly and adaptation will not do anything?

and i already told you, there is 2 canon counters to RCT, mahoraga can adapt to possess them

 

[Sus]

he needs to adapt to the radiation first

which he can't do before he just dies

he is talking about invulnerability not adaptation