HakutoRei000
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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
- Thread starter Dragonite007
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Lou_change
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Does Shigara Masami start with her protective summoning circles?
Minaaaa
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1. Shigara Masami
2. Provedor
3. Characters from GARO (Zaji & Barago)
4. Qin Mu
5. Isaac
6. Choi Yoon-seok
7. Wu Mian
8. Mahito
9. Something
10. Ulthane
11. World Gobbler
12. Makoto Kawashita
13. Characters from Metal Heroes (Janperson and Gun Gibson)
2. Provedor
3. Characters from GARO (Zaji & Barago)
4. Qin Mu
5. Isaac
6. Choi Yoon-seok
7. Wu Mian
8. Mahito
9. Something
10. Ulthane
11. World Gobbler
12. Makoto Kawashita
13. Characters from Metal Heroes (Janperson and Gun Gibson)
Deepwoken got removed cuz they aint 8-B anymore & 13 should just be 'Characters from Metal Heroes'.
Also replace Zaji with Eyrith in 4-A and 3-C
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Yes.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Doesn't look like it, but thanks to Hajime infinite revive he could escape to his pocket dimension and prepare a countermeasure for that
Put them in the same spot if you want
Dragonite007
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Mehh.
The Dragon can't beat Death, and incon with everyone don't give a spot
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HakutoRei000
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Jedah
EL_xWatcher1234x
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In Low 2-C:
Acoording to Pedonar Lukas Trowman's CM1 does is based on false interpretation. So Arifureta peeps could take his spot
Acoording to Pedonar Lukas Trowman's CM1 does is based on false interpretation. So Arifureta peeps could take his spot
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Nonynho
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Rikimarox2
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Bump on this, because I genuinely do not know what Subaru could do to Neo.
Rikimarox2
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What do they really do, that's the thing. I've seen Concept Type 2 and whatnot, but none of that really should be threatening to Neo (or the fact that Neo could potentially just adapt eventually and skyrocket in strength via the CM2 if he was hit). As for RBD, well, I believe it sets him right at the start of the fight, where Neo just... thinks (Also Neo iirc should be able to even detect that Subaru has regressed since he has the Time Element).
Rikimarox2
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BTW do we consider insignificant higher dimensions to be smurf (So no tier 1)/not allowed here?
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no it is no considered smurf.
Rikimarox2
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Selective Higher-Dimensional Existence (Could twist itself inward and move beyond the three dimensions of space[21])
That's the non smurf thread
Rikimarox2
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They are non-significant dimensions, ie not actual Tier 1 stuff. Heard that this doesn't count as smurf iirc. By definition, they are not tier 1, nor are related to tier 1 in potency or size, so, eh. I'm not sure what could affect them though ngl, maybe just some Dimensional Travel or something
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Rikimarox2
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That example is weird? Sure, maybe in battle it isn't that useful, but it is still affecting an actual universe, ie going to the Tier 2 category. Recollector doesn't go to any of the tier above it, as the dimensions aren't actual, tier 2-1 dimensions that qualify.
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its only smurf when higher tiers are involved. Dimensions themselves arent inherently higher tiered.
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Additionnal tier are not recquired to qualify as a smurf.
If a character can do anything to dimensions higher than their own it's one.
Here it's:
3D character -> move in 4D+ dimensions
Rikimarox2
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Yes, actual higher-dimensional beings/range (tier 2 and above). This isn't the case here.
From the wiki itself^ The higher dimensions of Recollector are NOT uncountable infinitely greater than the lower dimensions, but are insignificant, so by the definition itself, it cannot be smurf.
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Xue ying has bullshit intangibility and concept hax to pierce through beings with his spear.
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His concept hax seems to be type 2 but Recollector has type 1 resistance. Is he able to handle madness type three or plot possession/absorption (as well as bullshit time hax and his acausality 3)
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High 6-C is Ning, Ning does not even have dao domain stuff in this key lol, can take the spot
lmao but no, I aint touching that argument for a spot, esp since the usual CN soul bullshit won't apply here
Also Sakanashi got upgraded to 5-B so they should be removed from the list
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If I recall, you can do matches to get a character placed.
Technically it was not concluded but it's because it was considered a possible stomp.
vsbattles.com
Is this enough to get 2B placed in a 7A position? Or rather, Nier characters because A2, 2B's rival, is comparable making them roughly equal.
I can make threads challenging Tasha and Sirius after but want to get a foot in the door.
Technically it was not concluded but it's because it was considered a possible stomp.
The Undead Man vs An Android
Andy Developed vs 2B Equal Speed SBA Prior Knowledge on Undead and 2B's arsenal
Is this enough to get 2B placed in a 7A position? Or rather, Nier characters because A2, 2B's rival, is comparable making them roughly equal.
I can make threads challenging Tasha and Sirius after but want to get a foot in the door.
Rikimarox2
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Well, perfect. Recollector seems to handily beat all the dudes in High 6-C, but as for 6-C, I'm kind of unsure? Like Recollector should be able to beat Xue Ying handily via resisting his concept stuff and via his madness + plot shenanigans + time shenanigans that'll reverse everything. But I don't know about Maou Gakuin.
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they have concept hax that erases people.
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any layers or whatever?
Rikimarox2
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Doesn't really matter when;
1. Recollector resists Concept stuff
2. Has a passive time field that reverses any attack or even people that come close to it back in time (Said magic is a narrative/plot-based in nature)
3. Has multiple rivers of time, each one holding numerous sections which hold echoes, so its Acausality type 3 just makes it pretty much unkillable
4. Madness Type 3, and plot absorption, time Manip, and plot shenanigans out of the ass
5. High potency Resistance Negation lmao
I really don't see them ever killing Recollector, ngl.
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Well it's not EE but decon, mind, sleep and concept (though it's nothing too great at this stage) hax
Layers
Power null. What it's based on doesn't really matter as long as it's not that thing itself so nothing stops the effect from being nullified. Normal fire spawned from CM, LM or PM doesn't require any of those to smother it
Concede here though it could just as well become the Recollector constantly dying. At best, they share the spot cause it's the strongest list not who can incon more
Resists MM 3. Plot absorption isn't relevant if you don't have the CM to actually absorb their shit as that's the only thing that matters for them, the source of their powers
Resisted + layers
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Doesn't this just disqualify it from the non-smurf list, though, since it's far beyond what people in this tier range should be?
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Its rivers of time arent really entire timelines but just its bodies existing on certain periods of time. It doesnt exist in every possible period of time. It's actually quite finite, but it constantly regenerates its rivers.
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could you point that out on profile? I dont see it. If its due to mind manip resistance MM3 bypasses that since it isn't mind manip and is quite different in mechanic.
How many layers? Because potency is able to overcome layers and the Recollector is able to resist Heroic level attacks (or was it Master its been a while since I read that fight so ask Riki for this one ig) with its Magic Resistance and tiers that matter in order each with significantly higher potency are like this.
Initiate
Adept
Master
Heroic
There's also the fact that resistance negation in this verse is able to overcome higher potency resistances if they throw enough stuff at it.
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MichaelCalistro
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Batman vs M
This is a very original thread, I think. - - - - - Batman, the Caped Crusader VS M, the Black King - - - - - Batman with Preparation Powers • Peak M • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is unequalized • In a very large indestructible barren world - - - - - Theme:
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Yeah, forgot that the profile is outdated lol.
20 at the very least, also, I don't know where this meta of potency > layers arose from but either way, the Recollector better be packing big numbers otherwise, the result is the same if not worse. The verse layers come from distinguishing when constantly increasing potency turns into layers so be it potency of layers, they are winning out, magic power diff ig.
Yeah, not enough. Sasha's far above her previous self (hexagram insignia) at this point and is much closer to demon elders
Resists resistance negation, potency and layer wise, to the same degree
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Potency and layers are roughly equal in priority. Also what prevented the two characters from beating the chinaman? Either they’re just #1 or they all share a spot in it.
This verse has extremely absurd potency due to tanking a lot of sum additions of very potent resistance negating stuff and also being greater than the sum that could potentially bypass those layers/potency mix but idk how to argue that for Recollector rn since it mostly comes from a character with Legendary skills (above Heroic)
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Weird ass intangibility that requires feats of interacting with a totally different kind of matter
Rikimarox2
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Even ignoring the layering + potency shenanigans (shit is weird there, normal magic resist engulfs the body, but other stronger ones were stated to be the size of a mountain or some shit), wdym here? Recollector directly absorbs their plot, or just damages it with the plethora of attacks they have, and from what I'm seeing, there is no plot resistance on their profile.
The plot in PoTD is a fundamental shenanigan, that comprises everything, and getting hit by it is kind of an instant gg. It doesn't require their source, since the plot here is also a fundamental shit on the level of concepts (if not more, ngl).
Also, he's directly attacking with Chronomancy, and it IS plot, all kinds of magic is plot (hell, they are crystallization of the soul, which is Plot). Especially Recollector, since its attacks affect the Soul, and Magic in general is Lore/Narrative. It's not that they are just spawned from CM or Plot, it is that they ARE the Plot.
Also, can they even affect the Recollector's rivers of time? Since even those instances could attack you (and if you don't have the lore of Chronomancy, you are not affecting those rivers of time directly), and can do their weird shenanigans.
Furthermore, if there's no resistance to MM on their profile, then they're getting cooked the moment the fight starts. Though, what is the feat of MM3 they resist, anyways?
