Adding some abilities (Instant Death)

[Azertyhuuh]

Please stay on topic. It is also prohibited to derail the discussion or debate matters that have already been approved in the thread. Anyone attempting to discuss previously approved points will be reported. Please remain on topic; any off-topic comments will also be reported.

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Spoiler: Important information

Definition of the Ultimate Ensemble:
The Ultimate Ensemble is the world that contains all possible worlds; it contains everything without exception.

Ah, and by the way, “world” here refers to an ultimate collective set that includes all possible worlds. Because if you simply use the word “world,” it creates confusion—people start asking: what about outside the world? What about other dimensions? What about parallel worlds? So when I say “world,” I mean everything without exception. I want you to understand it that way as well.

This is a reminder of what was approved and its true form: it possesses NEP 1.

Its true form is the beginning and the end of everything. It is the end of all things, and the only one that will remain in the end because it is the end itself and the ultimate destination of all fates. There is nothing beyond it. Its darkness is a void of nothingness, a representation of the end of everything, where nothing remains and nothing is allowed to exist here.

BDE 1:
The argument is clear: since everything ends within him and nothing remains, and since UEG attempted to search and travel to any world, dimension, or universe but found absolutely nothing, then there is no place to travel to. Considering that UEG is capable of time travel, dimensional travel, and moving to any location, yet still found nothing, this proves that travel itself is impossible in that state. Therefore, there is no time or space at all.

"....I see. this definitely seemed to be a phenomenon that even the wisdom of mistress could not comprehend.
But, would the mistress die? I don't know where I am, but I just have to move to wherever it is I'm going."

UEG explored the area. The darkness went on forever, really forever. It goes on and on, endlessly, as far as UEG's perception can go.

Then she tried to find another dimension, another parallel world, another universe, but that didn't work either. What she see is nothing but emptiness.
There really is nothing here.

Realizing this, UEG was slowly beginning to feel fear. No matter where she tried to go, there was nothing. As long as there was nothing, there was nowhere to travel to.

The gods are capable of time travel, dimensional travel, and even teleportation:

• Dimensional Travel (Capable of moving between different worlds sending messengers and pulling people's spirits to their world when they die. According to UEG, this strength is expected for a god[3])
  
  Space-Time Manipulation, Power Nullification & Time Travel (The ability of System Engineer allows the user to influence the Battlesong System. Capable of nullifying skills or magic, as well as control space and time.[6] One of Darian’s powers is to travel back to the past if he dies[8])
  
  
  Teleportation (Can teleport to any place that they had visited before[28])

UEG attempted to destroy everything—space-time, worlds, higher universes, and so on, including its darkness—but this had no effect whatsoever. After that, the text states that there is nothing at all, and you cannot destroy something that does not exist in the first place. Since everything ends here, because it is what defines the end of the entire world that contains all possible worlds, there is no point in attempting to destroy space-time, worlds, dimensions, higher universes, or anything else, because they are not present to begin with. This text once again demonstrates the absence of space-time.

Very well then! I will destroy everything! Space-time! The universe! Higher universes, including that one as well!”

UEG unleashed all of her power with everything she had, but the power that was supposed to destroy everything vanished into the void. UEG’s power had absolutely no effect on the surroundings.

“It’s useless. There is nothing here. You cannot destroy something that does not exist.”

Since gods are capable of creating anything as beings of omnipotence—including entire worlds—UEG decided to create a world here and attempt to create anything. However, everything UEG creates ends up dissolving into its darkness, and the text states that nothing is allowed to exist here. This shows that creation itself is not permitted, meaning nothing can exist here under any circumstances, which further demonstrates the complete absence of anything whatsoever.

Well then, you can create a world here."

If there was nothing and nowhere to go, then she could simply create it herself here. She was a goddess, so at least creation should be possible. It was supposed to be possible, but no matter what she made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.

Since nothing is allowed to exist here, even UEG herself began to dissolve into its darkness. She lost her form, her perception, and everything else, and she herself vanished within its darkness. Absolutely nothing was allowed to exist at all.

Then UEG realized that she herself was melting into the darkness.

She tried to hold herself together by any means possible, but gradually she began to lose awareness of what she was doing.

“......Why...... why must the mistress go through this......”
UEG lost her form, lost her sense of self, and eventually disappeared into the darkness.

Source of the quotations.

Conclusion:
This proves that its darkness completely lacks space-time and anything else whatsoever; therefore, its true form would possess BDE 1.

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Agree:
Disagree: TWILIGHT-OP
Neutral:

 

[Mbpoops]

following

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

or debate matters that have already been approved in the thread.

Okay.. time to deal with crts appropriately this time, but first things first before I talk about ANYTHING in this proposal— this is not an appropriate thread rule at all. Taking note of 'derailing' is fine but talking about prohibiting previously approved stuff.. specially if they end up genuinely relating to the conversation at hand.. just no? This is a forum. Also, you'd be making false reports in that case, which are just not good.

Can't even count how many times on my fingers this has been done. I'll make a post soon.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Okay.. time to deal with crts appropriately this time, but first things first before I talk about ANYTHING in this proposal— this is not an appropriate thread rule at all. Taking note of 'derailing' is fine but talking about prohibiting previously approved stuff.. specially if they end up genuinely relating to the conversation at hand.. just no? This is a forum. Also, you'd be making false reports in that case, which are just not good.

Can't even count how many times on my fingers this has been done. I'll make a post soon.

Yes, I will report anyone who discusses things that have already been approved here. If you have an issue with something that was approved, you can open a separate thread for it. You cannot flood another thread by debating matters that were already accepted, even if they are related to the topic here, and that is not against the rules. In fact, the staff themselves already enforce this.

And go ahead, try your luck and you will see what happens then. If you are prepared to attack things that were already approved here, start arguments over them, and flood the thread with them, then I suggest you reconsider your actions.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yes, I will report anyone who discusses things that have already been approved here. If you have an issue with something that was approved, you can open a separate thread for it. You cannot flood another thread by debating matters that were already accepted, even if they are related to the topic here, and that is not against the rules. In fact, the staff themselves already enforce this.

And go ahead, try your luck and you will see what happens then. If you are prepared to attack things that were already approved here, start arguments over them, and flood the thread with them, then I suggest you reconsider your actions.

Can you please stop going around threatening everyone?

Talking about earlier threads' subjects is impossible to ignore since they are relevent too this thread...

 

[Maniaunavailable]

follwoing, still dont see the aca 5 but maybe I need supporters to tell me lol

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Can you please stop going around threatening everyone?

Talking about earlier threads' subjects is impossible to ignore since they are relevent too this thread...

he is right tho

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3])

I don't understand how any of this scans correlate to Yogiri, nor why it's used as an argument. What is even the argument here?

None of this is Yogiri "manipulating" anything...

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

he is right tho

Not here he is

And go ahead, try your luck and you will see what happens then. If you are prepared to attack things that were already approved here, start arguments over them, and flood the thread with them, then I suggest you reconsider your actions.

Calm the heck down bro, lmfao, we're already about to start an argument in the first place that's the point of a thread. As well as the fact past ones are also inevitably and unavoidably related as darksoul said previous so it doesn't matter if they were already approved, just how it is. You don't just take it on the chin, lol, that'd be called 'i'm limiting your counter-points on purpose'. I recommend you take a chill pill and re-evaluate. You trying to threaten me?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Snip.

Nothing here proves type 5 "beyond Casuality" is just vague without context:

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.
^^
Nothing you sent for "proof" provides this, at most this is just greater type 4 of even that..

Also there's nothing proving CM1
This is either greater or whatever (CM3) or this is at most CM2. (If even that as well, but I'll leave that up for people that have the motivation to argue), also note that none of your scans "prove" that he's doing any manipulating as you claim, so more proof?

Yes, I will report anyone who discusses things that have already been approved here. If you have an issue with something that was approved, you can open a separate thread for it. You cannot flood another thread by debating matters that were already accepted, even if they are related to the topic here, and that is not against the rules. In fact, the staff themselves already enforce this.

And go ahead, try your luck and you will see what happens then. If you are prepared to attack things that were already approved here, start arguments over them, and flood the thread with them, then I suggest you reconsider your actions.

Also, false reporting is not cool, not too mention frowned upon. If what you're adding involves something from the old thread, then people have a right to question that asw. Also aggression..? Stop being so aggressive.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The End: NEP 2

As we stated previously, the world contains everything without exception, including the Sea of Darkness, which is a void possessing NEP 1. Since information is what composes the world and can itself be regarded as the world itself, as explained earlier, then the End transcends both nonexistence and existence simultaneously. Its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end of everything, where nothing remains and nothing can exist there. It is the end of information and the entire world itself because it is the end of all things. For this reason, it does not possess information, as is evident from Side 4 of NEP 1, because it represents the end of everything where absolutely nothing exists, as we have repeatedly stated, and this point was already discussed previously.

• Sea of Darkness: Nonexistent Physiology

The idea here is that its nonexistence does not participate in information because it is the end of information and the entire world itself; therefore, it possesses no information, whereas information is what composes the world itself, and the world includes the Sea of Darkness, which is a form of nonexistence possessing NEP 1. Thus, its true form exists completely outside the duality of existence and nonexistence.

This entire section proves nothing, has no feats/scans, and was rejected in your own thread less than 2 weeks ago... So yeah, this whole section is technically a rule violation...

When creating content revisions, it is essential to ensure that the topic has not been addressed previously. Rejected content revisions cannot be resubmitted within a short period of time (typically defined as within 3 to 4 months)

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I did not read the reports, thats afwul ngl, either way yeah agree with everything zane said, so yeah put me in disagree for all of the conceptual manip and aca 5 (tho dosnt he has type 3 already?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

This entire section proves nothing, has no feats/scans, and was rejected in your own thread less than 2 weeks ago... So yeah, this whole section is technically a rule violation...

This argument is not the same as the previous one. The previous argument was completely different, and I also removed it from the first thread and did not discuss it there. I explicitly said that I would leave it for another thread, so what you are saying here is incorrect. As I already told you, the argument here has no relation to the argument from the previous post, where I did not even discuss NEP 2 because I decided to leave it for another thread, as I stated there.

The evidence was already provided in the thread itself. What I wrote here is an explanation, but the evidence is already present in the same thread and supports every point being made. If there is an issue with formatting, I can simply repost the scans or quotations again, but the evidence itself is already there in the thread.

I am not going to repeat “he is the end of everything” and repost the same evidence every single minute. I already provided the evidence above multiple times. The same applies to the information-related points in section 2. Please review the entire thread before making these comments, because they are derailing the discussion.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Nothing here proves type 5 "beyond Casuality" is just vague without context:

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.
^^
Nothing you sent for "proof" provides this, at most this is just greater type 4 of even that..

Also there's nothing proving CM1
This is either greater or whatever (CM3) or this is at most CM2. (If even that as well, but I'll leave that up for people that have the motivation to argue), also note that none of your scans "prove" that he's doing any manipulating as you claim, so more proof?

Also, false reporting is not cool, not too mention frowned upon. If what you're adding involves something from the old thread, then people have a right to question that asw. Also aggression..? Stop being so aggressive.

I am not referring to adding Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation. Rather, his true form possesses Type 1 Abstract Existence, and what I want to prove is that he himself is a Type 1 Conceptual being. That is what I am discussing here, not the addition of Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I am not referring to adding Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation. Rather, his true form possesses Type 1 Abstract Existence, and what I want to prove is that he himself is a Type 1 Conceptual being. That is what I am discussing here, not the addition of Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation.

if so I think its fine ngl

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Can you please stop going around threatening everyone?

Talking about earlier threads' subjects is impossible to ignore since they are relevent too this thread...

These already exist and are things that have already been accepted, and yes, Yogiri already has Type 2 Information Destruction on his profile, including 5 layers as well.

These are things that have already been approved, and their purpose is completely clear. I don’t see anything unclear here. Please review the thread again to understand.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

These already exist and are things that have already been accepted, and yes, Yogiri already has Type 2 Information Destruction on his profile, including 5 layers as well.

These are things that have already been approved, and their purpose is completely clear. I don’t see anything unclear here. Please review the thread again to understand.

You completely misunderstood and missuing it is the issue...

He has "Information destruction", not information manipulation, and the rest of the gig...

Also, did you ping the wrong stuff?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

I am not referring to adding Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation. Rather, his true form possesses Type 1 Abstract Existence, and what I want to prove is that he himself is a Type 1 Conceptual being. That is what I am discussing here, not the addition of Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation.

Ok , and prove it?
Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1).

Note, however, that simply being incorporeal is not sufficient for this ability. The character must specifically not be a part of space at all, while incorporeal beings (e.g. Ghosts) can still have extension in it, despite their lack of bodies.

Your scans dont prove this at all. Besides vague text that don't mean much.

 

[FinePoint]

Okay.. time to deal with crts appropriately this time, but first things first before I talk about ANYTHING in this proposal— this is not an appropriate thread rule at all. Taking note of 'derailing' is fine but talking about prohibiting previously approved stuff.. specially if they end up genuinely relating to the conversation at hand.. just no?

Disclaimer that I have no idea what the subject is, but:

Generally, if your issue with a current proposal stems from disagreement with a prior accepted proposal, you are indeed meant to make a different thread to undo what was previously accepted, in which case the current proposal will either become invalid or your disagreement will now be valid.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This got me interested. Just from the upper looks of crt, it feels like assumption based scaling to me, I maybe wrong. I current am unable to evaluate this as of time constraints. I'll be back sometime later.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Ok , and prove it?
Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1).

Note, however, that simply being incorporeal is not sufficient for this ability. The character must specifically not be a part of space at all, while incorporeal beings (e.g. Ghosts) can still have extension in it, despite their lack of bodies.

Your scans dont prove this at all. Besides vague text that don't mean much.

The thread explains this point clearly; however, if you did not fully understand it, I can clarify it here.

The Ultimate Ensemble is the world that contains everything without exception, as I explained in the thread.

Its true form is the end of everything, and its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end, where nothing exists and nothing is allowed to exist. It is the final destination of all destinies—everything ends here.

There is no spacetime or anything at all. The Ultimate Ensemble is what contains everything without exception, and it itself has ended at this point, leaving nothing behind. This is made clear when UEG attempted to search for spacetime, worlds, or universes, but it was all in vain—there was truly nothing. UEG also attempted travel and movement, but it was impossible. There is no spacetime here; all time and space have ended.

The Mysterious Space is a space outside spacetime, and it is part of this very end itself because it exists within the Ultimate Ensemble, which contains everything without exception.

UEG also tried to create a world here, and although she is capable of creating whatever she wants, everything that is created dissolves and disappears instantly, because nothing is allowed to exist here.

As stated in the text, even creation itself is not permitted here, and therefore no spacetime or anything else can exist within it.

All the evidence and everything mentioned here are already present in the thread.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

This got me interested. Just from the upper looks of crt, it feels like assumption based scaling to me, I maybe wrong. I current am unable to evaluate this as of time constraints. I'll be back sometime later.

Everything here is supported by evidence. However, yes, it depends on interpretation and understanding because the matter is complex. But it is not as if the evidence does not support it.

 

[sukuna171]

I don't understand how any of this scans correlate to Yogiri, nor why it's used as an argument. What is even the argument here?

None of this is Yogiri "manipulating" anything...

Well, Yogiri does perceive the UEW and everything within it, including its concepts. Wouldn't defining and perceiving the existence of type 2 concepts be considered type 1?

IF THAT DENIED IT, NO PHENOMENON OR EXISTENCE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXIST.

But it was possible for Yogiri, now that he had reached Phase 2.

At that moment, he killed the falling energy that was covering him.

For this, it didn’t really matter what kind of power was actually at work.

What died and what phenomenon occurred. All of it relied on Yogiri’s perception.

Disclaimer that I have no idea what the subject is, but:

Generally, if your issue with a current proposal stems from disagreement with a prior accepted proposal, you are indeed meant to make a different thread to undo what was previously accepted, in which case the current proposal will either become invalid or your disagreement will now be valid.

What do you think about this?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Snip

What you've sent isn't enough for BDE1, I've looked and I don't see BDE1 at all. Do you have any more that further supports for BDE1?.

 

[Phoenks]

There's no evidence for Acausality type 5 here. What's described is just an endless, timeless void. Timeless doesn't mean it is without causality, though, as those are separate things. Causality refers to a sequence of events in general. So UEG being able to actually traverse the darkness or create things in the first place could even be seen as an anti-feat in that case, since travel and creation implies sequence/causality existing in the void.

It seems more like evidence for NEP Type 1/BDE Type 1 and passive void manipulation to me. But it seems like those are all things that are already accepted.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

What you've sent isn't enough for BDE1, I've looked and I don't see BDE1 at all. Do you have any more that further supports for BDE1?.

If you are not able to be convinced, that is not my problem.
These are things that have already been approved, and he already possesses acausality in Side 5, so the matter is straightforward here.

I told you he is the final destination of everything and the end of all things. His darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end of everything, where nothing remains and where everything has already ended at the ultimate end.

The Ultimate Ensemble is the world that contains everything without exception, including the Mysterious Space, which is a space outside spacetime.

Everything ends at the End, and nothing remains—there is nothing here.

Spacetime itself is part of the Ultimate Ensemble, and all spacetime structures exist within it, since every world is spacetime. There are even worlds outside spacetime, such as the Mysterious Space, and all of this has already ended at the End, leaving nothing.

UEG tried to search for worlds and universes, but it was all in vain—there is nothing. She even tried to travel or move, but it was impossible because spacetime, dimensions, and everything else had already ended. There is nothing here, so how can one travel through time, dimensions, or to other places when spacetime itself has ended and nothing exists?

And beyond all that, the text clearly states that his darkness does not allow anything to exist here. Even UEG, who is capable of creating anything—including creating a world here—has everything she creates immediately dissolve within his darkness. The text states that nothing is allowed to exist here, so how could spacetime or anything else exist?

The Ultimate Ensemble, which contains everything, has ended—so where is spacetime? Everything is reduced and ends at him; nothing exists at all.

If you are not convinced, you can simply not reply and wait for the staff’s opinion, as I do not want to flood the thread.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

phonkes count as staff right? if so add him because you almost never add disagreemnts on the same week lol

 

[Mommyleona]

phonkes count as staff right? if so add him because you almost never add disagreemnts on the same week lol

nop

 

[Foriaa]

phonkes count as staff right? if so add him because you almost never add disagreemnts on the same week lol

i thought fcoc admin votes weren't counted for crts here

 

[Cipher72]

Wouldn't defining and perceiving the existence of type 2 concepts be considered type 1?

No.....
That's not what a Universal is whether you go by the actual definition or the colloquial usage by the wiki

 

[Phoenks]

I'm confused. What concept(s) are being argued to be Type 1 in the first place?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

There's no evidence for Acausality type 5 here. What's described is just an endless, timeless void. Timeless doesn't mean it is without causality, though, as those are separate things. Causality refers to a sequence of events in general. So UEG being able to actually traverse the darkness or create things in the first place could even be seen as an anti-feat in that case, since travel and creation implies sequence/causality existing in the void.

It seems more like evidence for NEP Type 1/BDE Type 1 and passive void manipulation to me. But it seems like those are all things that are already accepted.

No, it seems you have misunderstood some points.

UEG is completely unable to create anything here. Nothing is allowed to exist in this place. Whatever is created immediately dissolves and disappears because existence itself is not permitted here. This is evidence that this place is outside the entire causal system, since nothing is allowed to exist here, meaning nothing here can be linked to any causal structure.

Well then, you can create a world here."

If there was nothing and nowhere to go, then she could simply create it herself here. She was a goddess, so at least creation should be possible. It was supposed to be possible, but no matter what she made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.

As for travel and access, it is actually the opposite. UEG is completely unable to travel or move here at all, despite being capable of interdimensional travel, time travel, and even instant relocation to any place she has been before. All of that becomes meaningless here; she is entirely incapable of movement.

"....I see. this definitely seemed to be a phenomenon that even the wisdom of mistress could not comprehend.
But, would the mistress die? I don't know where I am, but I just have to move to wherever it is I'm going."

UEG explored the area. The darkness went on forever, really forever. It goes on and on, endlessly, as far as UEG's perception can go.

Then she tried to find another dimension, another parallel world, another universe, but that didn't work either. What she see is nothing but emptiness.
There really is nothing here.

Realizing this, UEG was slowly beginning to feel fear. No matter where she tried to go, there was nothing. As long as there was nothing, there was nowhere to travel to.

You might say there is no time—but what about interdimensional travel? Or instant relocation to previously visited locations? There is absolutely no connection to any causal system here. Nothing can be done at all, nor can anything exist. Everything has ended, and nothing is allowed to exist here whatsoever. Even teleportation and all forms of travel are impossible. No causal action can be manifested here at all.

....I see. this definitely seemed to be a phenomenon that even the wisdom of mistress could not comprehend.
But, would the mistress die? I don't know where I am, but I just have to move to wherever it is I'm going."

UEG explored the area. The darkness went on forever, really forever. It goes on and on, endlessly, as far as UEG's perception can go.

Then she tried to find another dimension, another parallel world, another universe, but that didn't work either. What she see is nothing but emptiness.
There really is nothing here.

Realizing this, UEG was slowly beginning to feel fear. No matter where she tried to go, there was nothing. As long as there was nothing, there was nowhere to travel to.

Very well then! I will destroy everything! Space-time! The universe! Higher universes, including that one as well!”

UEG unleashed all of her power with everything she had, but the power that was supposed to destroy everything vanished into the void. UEG’s power had absolutely no effect on the surroundings.

In fact, it is not even possible to reach this place or leave it. That is what UEG was trying to do—she was attempting to escape, but it was completely futile.

Well then, you can create a world here."

If there was nothing and nowhere to go, then she could simply create it herself here. She was a goddess, so at least creation should be possible. It was supposed to be possible, but no matter what she made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.

Information constitutes the entire world and can be regarded as the world itself. UEG is capable of manipulating information, altering anything, and doing anything through it. Yet she was completely unable to do anything at all here, despite information governing everything. Therefore, this place is entirely outside any causal system whatsoever.



Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3])

a condensation of information and power that could be called the world itself

 

[Maniaunavailable]

No, it seems you have misunderstood some points.

UEG is completely unable to create anything here. Nothing is allowed to exist in this place. Whatever is created immediately dissolves and disappears because existence itself is not permitted here. This is evidence that this place is outside the entire causal system, since nothing is allowed to exist here, meaning nothing here can be linked to any causal structure.

thats literally not how it works, you just proved that place has void manip and EE

 

[Phoenks]

UEG is completely unable to create anything here. Nothing is allowed to exist in this place. Whatever is created immediately dissolves and disappears because existence itself is not permitted here. This is evidence that this place is outside the entire causal system, since nothing is allowed to exist here, meaning nothing here can be linked to any causal structure.

I've highlighted in red and green two statements in your post that are contradictory.

If she was truly "unable to create anything," there would be nothing to "immediately dissolve and disappear."

If there was nothing and nowhere to go, then she could simply create it herself here. She was a goddess, so at least creation should be possible. It was supposed to be possible, but no matter what she made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.

This is evidence of the realm having void manipulation as it just erases anything that is made inside of it.

It's a contradiction in regards to Acausality Type 5 as there is a sequence of events being had:

UEG tries to create something -> thing is made -> thing gets dissolves/erased by the void

As for travel and access, it is actually the opposite. UEG is completely unable to travel or move here at all, despite being capable of interdimensional travel, time travel, and even instant relocation to any place she has been before. All of that becomes meaningless here; she is entirely incapable of movement.

The text literally states that she explored the area, which means she at least felt she was moving relative to herself.

UEG explored the area. The darkness went on forever, really forever. It goes on and on, endlessly, as far as UEG's perception can go. Then she tried to find another dimension, another parallel world, another universe, but that didn't work either. What she see is nothing but emptiness. There really is nothing here. Realizing this, UEG was slowly beginning to feel fear. No matter where she tried to go, there was nothing. As long as there was nothing, there was nowhere to travel to.

 

[sukuna171]

No.....
That's not what a Universal is whether you go by the actual definition or the colloquial usage by the wiki

I see, well, never mind then.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I'm confused. What concept(s) are being argued to be Type 1 in the first place?

I am not discussing Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation. Rather, I am discussing the issue that his true form is a Type 1 concept itself. He has Type 1 Abstract Existence, and I am arguing that he is a Type 1 concept only.

Since he is one of the rules that defines and determines the entire world, and he is its end where the entire world has already ended with nothing remaining, as I explained in my first reply where absolutely nothing exists, then he is a Type 1 independent concept. The entire world ends at him and returns to him as the final destination of all things. Therefore, he is independent from the entire world, and thus he is a Type 1 concept.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

That same UEG in that 'void where things can't be created and got absorbed by the darkness' is also implied to just be having something similar to a near-death experience, the place in and of itself can be determined to not even be real.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Disclaimer that I have no idea what the subject is, but:

Generally, if your issue with a current proposal stems from disagreement with a prior accepted proposal, you are indeed meant to make a different thread to undo what was previously accepted, in which case the current proposal will either become invalid or your disagreement will now be valid.

It seems this topic will be controversial. Could you please move it to the staff section?

 

[Mbpoops]

Hasnt even reached page 2 btw

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I've highlighted in red and green two statements in your post that are contradictory.

If she was truly "unable to create anything," there would be nothing to "immediately dissolve and disappear."



This is evidence of the realm having void manipulation as it just erases anything that is made inside of it.

It's a contradiction in regards to Acausality Type 5 as there is a sequence of events being had:

UEG tries to create something -> thing is made -> thing gets dissolves/erased by the void



The text literally states that she explored the area, which means she at least felt she was moving relative to herself.

Well, since you agree with BDE1.
What do you think regarding NEP 2, the erasure of nonexistence, the erasure of BDE1, and his Type 1 concept of abstract existence?