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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

LittleGuy99 said:
Susie blushing in Chapter 3 >>>
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You mean like this?
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Axorandom0 said:
Rules of Ships: If anyone even slightly likes someone else, they’re basically already married
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It's fine for ships, people ship Kriselle even though their relationship couldn't be further from romantic. Gosh, people ship RALSIELLE SOMEHOW. Legit zero interactions between those two. OOC stuff, but it's all hc so it's fine

I do take a problem if you expect these ships to be developed and get upset when they don't. Kriselle is never happening, even in Weird Route. Krussie is more likely, though. But the obvious one is Susielle, that's the canon ship, with canonical romantic scenes, that are meant to be taken as romantic. That's the one that's definitely going to happen in at least one route.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
It's fine for ships, people ship Kriselle even though their relationship couldn't be further from romantic. Gosh, people ship RALSIELLE SOMEHOW. Legit zero interactions between those two. OOC stuff, but it's all hc so it's fine

I do take a problem if you expect these ships to be developed and get upset when they don't. Kriselle is never happening, even in Weird Route. Krussie is more likely, though. But the obvious one is Susielle, that's the canon ship, with canonical romantic scenes, that are meant to be taken as romantic. That's the one that's definitely going to happen in at least one route.
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Okay soo what your ships ?
 
I'm glad I've seen more people start to view the Player controlling Kris as less of a pure evil act than before (obviously, not on the Weird Route, though). Kris seems to be pretty bad themselves and maybe taking away their agency isn't the worst idea...
 
Why are yall debating about ships?
The only good ship is me and the 6 human souls (plus all monster ones).
Thinking about it, Angel of death is such as tuff as title to give to a God
 
I don't really fully get why sans' "face reading" is seen as that impressive tbh. Wouldn't monsters having déjà vu moments make it blatantly less impressive?

There are scenes with a few monsters a having a vague recollection of the previous timeline, but sans himself has the clearest example of this when you come back after sparing him.

He shows direct recollection of something he said before Frisk reloads. (Maybe he somehow planned this out but that kind of ruins the emotion of the scene with him saying we were never friends and is really over convoluted but eh idk)

How exactly would sans be able to tell be able to tell the difference between the face of someone who died 7 times vs someone who died 9 times?

Why would sans describe himself as "keeping count" if he's just looking at your face and getting a number?

Him calling back to the "number of fingers on a hand" joke.

If he's just experiencing déjà vu like Toriel and Papyrus do, then is him being able to say he killed you x number of times really that impressive if he already had a vague recollection of what happened?

Bonus fun fact I guess, when you reload after sans gives the key to his room for his and tells you, "it's time... you learned the truth." he'll say "huh? triple secret codeword? nah i'm out of material." But when you go to his room the note still says "the truth is that you got owned, nerd......" which is weird because sans never mentions anything about finding the truth after reloading when he already gives you the key (which means more déjà vu or he just had it all planned out and the note was pre-written).

(btw, I don't think any footage of this exists online since most people just go straight to his room when sans gives you the key and don't assume he has anything to say if you reload again)
 
Moon_Crasher said:
I don't really fully get why sans' "face reading" is seen as that impressive tbh. Wouldn't monsters having déjà vu moments make it blatantly less impressive?
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I mean, sans is the only major character who never brings up experiencing the deja vu and every time he suspects Frisk, it's based on them acting weird.

This example is also pretty weak ngl,
Moon_Crasher said:
He shows direct recollection of something he said before Frisk reloads. (Maybe he somehow planned this out but that kind of ruins the emotion of the scene with him saying we were never friends and is really over convoluted but eh idk)
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He knows he's dealing with a time traveler. I'd expect him to have a decent idea of what he's going to say in a given situation, especially when it's literally the next thing he'd say if the betrayal succeeds. If anything, the idea that he genuinely remembers that conversation makes his "did i getcha?" stop making much sense.

The deja vu interpretation also doesn't really explain how sans can catch that we've died before, even if it was say, to a Froggit in the Ruins, you know nowhere near sans?

The rest sorta just fall under absurd deduction skills sans type characters typically just have cause it's fiction (Look at the infamous Sherlock guessing that Harry of Watson is an alcoholic because his phone has damages in its charging port). Especially when the game gives us a pretty straightforward explanation as to why he knows.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
He knows he's dealing with a time traveler. I'd expect him to have a decent idea of what he's going to say in a given situation, especially when it's literally the next thing he'd say if the betrayal succeeds. If anything, the idea that he genuinely remembers that conversation makes his "did i getcha?" stop making much sense.

The deja vu interpretation also doesn't really explain how sans can catch that we've died before, even if it was say, to a Froggit in the Ruins, you know nowhere near sans?
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I don't think he's actually being genuine when he says "did i getcha". Like even without the deja vu he can clearly tell by how pissed off you are that he definitely got you. (he also just does a worse version of his friendship speech when you come back so he definitely knows that he probably used that trick already)

He's clearly just saying it as a rhetorical question to insult you.

As for him being able to tell whether or not Frisk died in places he wasn't around, he directly knows what saving is as shown in the phone calls (as he comments on you never saving) and if he had deja vu he would probably have a recollection of stuff he was doing before Frisk left the ruins.

Although, Frisk could've just reloaded for no particular reason so him being able to tell if we died or not at MTT resort actually is a better example of his face reading being impressive.

But then again Frisk being pissed off at sans making a joke about them dying would probably be a dead giveaway.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean, sans is the only major character who never brings up experiencing the deja vu and every time he suspects Frisk, it's based on them acting weird.
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I mean he doesn't bring it up because he's probably smart enough to know what's happening (since he knows about SAVING).

And it wouldn't be in character for him to bring that up anyways since he never tells anybody anything according to Papyrus.

He also seems to try and divert Papyrus from pondering about him recognizing the human to get the game back on track for some reason.
 
Moon_Crasher said:
But then again Frisk being pissed off at sans making a joke about them dying would probably be a dead giveaway.
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I mean it's not really that impressive, if Frisk doesn't get pissed about sans joking that they never died once then they never died and if they do get pissed then they did die.

I mean it's possible for to save and load a bunch in the ruins and it could be argued that sans could tell when they just reload from when they die but he probably just said that at the "dinner" at MTT Resort to see Frisk's reaction after to deduce rather than just glance at them and know.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Of course, as you said, he knows he's dealing with a time traveller, why would he call out the fact he has Deja Vú to the suspected time traveller? Or at all? He knows WHY he's having Deja Vús.

Also, the fact it happens at all is enough, why would he be exempt from it?
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If I were to argue for it (even if I don't really agree), it could be because of sans not spending enough personal time with Frisk like Toriel, Papyrus, and Undyne, do?
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Of course, as you said, he knows he's dealing with a time traveller, why would he call out the fact he has Deja Vú to the suspected time traveller? Or at all? He knows WHY he's having Deja Vús.

Also, the fact it happens at all is enough, why would he be exempt from it?
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He's also weirded out by us turning around before he asks us to, but he either doesn't know Frisk is responsible for it yet (which is probably unlikely since he was able to know whether or not they saved even in areas he'd have no way of observing like the ruins) or he just poking fun at us by calling us weird,
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Yeah how would he not know that if he got dozens or so deja vus from Flowey screwing around.
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The fact he has a grasp on Flowey bullshit is the whole reason why he can use these faint memories to identify his wincount, yes. The research surely didn't start in the two hours we've been in the underground.

Which is why @Moon_Crasher is likely right and Sans being able to read expressions is not THAT impressive.
 
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