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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Well... Where do I begin? The dimensional barriers are 4D, but what you mentioned above involves so many theories that I can't even agree with your CRT.
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But didn't I show that alternate dimensions, that has their own time-spaces, exist in Dimensional Wall the way they can't interact with each other? Adding Dimensional Wall's own time axis would make it Low-1c, doesn't it?
 
Could you argue Buu has Inorganic Physiology, or is the idea inherently disproven by Buu having fat and flesh (i.e., cells)? Can you have cells and also be inorganic?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Could you argue Buu has Inorganic Physiology, or is the idea inherently disproven by Buu having fat and flesh (i.e., cells)? Can you have cells and also be inorganic?
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Buu doesn't have fat or meat as such, we're never told what it's made of so I don't think so
 
Gp972 said:
Buu doesn't have fat or meat as such, we're never told what it's made of so I don't think so
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His Belly Fat Attack is described as, uhm, using his belly fat as an attack, specifically using the word "肉", meaning "meat" or "flesh". Plus, Buu can eat food, which is then broken down by the enzymes inside of Buu's body and then supposedly expelled through poop. Also, he explicitly has cells. Also, also, he has Regeneration, which does imply he has a "body structure" (体の組織 karada no soshiki, lit, "body tissues") capable of being damaged and then needing repair.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
His Belly Fat Attack is described as, uhm, using his belly fat as an attack, specifically using the word "肉", meaning "meat" or "flesh". Plus, Buu can eat food, which is then broken down by the enzymes inside of Buu's body and then supposedly expelled through poop. Also, he explicitly has cells. Also, also, he has Regeneration, which does imply he has a "body structure" (体の組織 karada no soshiki, lit, "body tissues") capable of being damaged and then needing repair.
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I suppose it would be some kind of chewy meat and fat, And I think that having cells means it's a living being and therefore doesn't qualify.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
On an unrelated note, I hadn't thought about it until now, but the Supreme Kai don't have eternal life, nor do the lesser Kai. They all have limited lifespans, and they are, evidently, capable of physically aging (e.g., Grand Kai, King Kai, East Kai, etc.). They can even die of natural causes as a Kai, eventually being replaced by a successor. You can't die of old age if you live in a dimension without time.
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But in the manga they say the old Kaioshin has 1,000 years left to live, didn't you remember that?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
On an unrelated note, I hadn't thought about it until now, but the Supreme Kai don't have eternal life, nor do the lesser Kai. They all have limited lifespans, and they are, evidently, capable of physically aging (e.g., Grand Kai, King Kai, East Kai, etc.). They can even die of natural causes as a Kai, eventually being replaced by a successor. You can't die of old age if you live in a dimension without time.
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Why Guldo didn't use his timestop on Chaotzu or Goku in Afterlife?
 
I mean, it's never portrayed that he can't. He just never chose to do it.

However, if we're assuming inaction is proof of inability to act, then like, in the Toei Anime he requires holding his breath.

He's dead and there's no air in the Afterlife, so he can't breathe.

Thus no breath holding.

Meaning no time stop.

Personally, though, I think your real "Gotcha" should've been the fact that the Kai's have a max lifespan of 75K Years, but Shin has been around since Buu's rampage since Billions of Years ago, which would actually reinforce the idea time doesn't exist, and thus could be interpreted that the Kai naturally die out in time via their appearances in places where time appears across their tenure.

Though, to be fair, it could be their role as Kais makes them live longer, since Beerus seems to imply Goku and Vegeta could take his place and live like himself (seemingly forever) destroying planets, when Goku and Vegeta don't have lifespans all that long, particularly speaking. If you interpret Kai's are similar, you could assert that the Core People live only 75K People, but once they ascend to the rank of a Kai, they gain the ability to live substantially longer, (and thus it would not proof for or against the lack of time in the Afterlife).
 
RedReaper616 said:
I mean, it's never portrayed that he can't. He just never chose to do it.

However, if we're assuming inaction is proof of inability to act, then like, in the Toei Anime he requires holding his breath.

He's dead and there's no air in the Afterlife, so he can't breathe.

Thus no breath holding.

Meaning no time stop.

Personally, though, I think your real "Gotcha" should've been the fact that the Kai's have a max lifespan of 75K Years, but Shin has been around since Buu's rampage since Billions of Years ago, which would actually reinforce the idea time doesn't exist, and thus could be interpreted that the Kai naturally die out in time via their appearances in places where time appears across their tenure.

Though, to be fair, it could be their role as Kais makes them live longer, since Beerus seems to imply Goku and Vegeta could take his place and live like himself (seemingly forever) destroying planets, when Goku and Vegeta don't have lifespans all that long, particularly speaking. If you interpret Kai's are similar, you could assert that the Core People live only 75K People, but once they ascend to the rank of a Kai, they gain the ability to live substantially longer, (and thus it would not proof for or against the lack of time in the Afterlife).
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That's what happens when you're trying to think and connect the world building of a man, who keeps forgeting things and who says that even random game stuff know more than him about HIS WORLD(Toriyama) 😭
 
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1-A dbl 👀👀👀👀👀👀
 
That profile seems to have been without updates since 2024, so most likely it's so forgotten no one took him in account when the upgrades happened.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Probably not. They should be 7D with summoning just that we forgot about the profile. I think it would be safe to edit it in if the profile is open and I think the profile itself could do with a revamp. DBL the player when?
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idm editing it

would it be a new key or just change the 2-C to 1-C?
 
RedReaper616 said:
Though, to be fair, it could be their role as Kais makes them live longer, since Beerus seems to imply Goku and Vegeta could take his place and live like himself (seemingly forever) destroying planets, when Goku and Vegeta don't have lifespans all that long, particularly speaking. If you interpret Kai's are similar, you could assert that the Core People live only 75K People, but once they ascend to the rank of a Kai, they gain the ability to live substantially longer, (and thus it would not proof for or against the lack of time in the Afterlife).
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Do you remember how old are sister and brother of Kaioshin in Daima?
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Why Guldo didn't use his timestop on Chaotzu or Goku in Afterlife?
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Firstly, why would he use Time Freeze against Chiaotzu? Up until the end of the fight, he held the overwhelming physical advantage and did not need any of his supernatural powers. Then, once the fight became serious, he had Chiaotzu trapped yet again, and he attempted to finish Chiaotzu off using his Psychokinesis—his trump card—presumably like he had against Gohan and Krillin. Secondly, why would he use Time Freeze against Goku? Let's say, hypothetically, Guldo did freeze time before confronting Goku. Then what? If Goku doesn't speedblitz Guldo in the instant before time is frozen, like Gohan and Krillin had, what happens next? Does Guldo lightly tickle Goku's cheek muscles for the next however long time is frozen for? Why even bother wasting the energy if the results are ultimately useless? Besides, Guldo was fighting alongside the entire Ginyu Force, rather than fighting alone, like he was against Gohan and Krillin.
RedReaper616 said:
He's dead and there's no air in the Afterlife, so he can't breathe.
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King Kai's planet has an atmosphere. King Yemma's palace has an atmosphere. (Earth's) Hell has an atmosphere.
RedReaper616 said:
Thus no breath holding.

Meaning no time stop.
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Isn't the breath thing a dubism?
RedReaper616 said:
Personally, though, I think your real "Gotcha" should've been the fact that the Kai's have a max lifespan of 75K Years
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The statement about the Supreme Kai having an average lifespan of 75,000 is 99% an error, considering Toriyama himself, during the "Toriyama Thought of It Like This" Special featured towards the end of the Character Volume, confirms 75,000 years is the average lifespan of the Glind race, not the Kai or Supreme Kai specifically.
RedReaper616 said:
but Shin has been around since Buu's rampage since Billions of Years ago
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Buu was created only 5 million years ago.
RedReaper616 said:
which would actually reinforce the idea time doesn't exist
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Except, the Elder Kai's unlock ritual is a 24-hour-long process. On the topic, the Universal Language, evidently, includes ideas like "hours" and "years". Why would any Other World resident need to know what terms are used to refer to time if they don't exist in a world with time?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
King Kai's planet has an atmosphere. King Yemma's palace has an atmosphere. (Earth's) Hell has an atmosphere.
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Really? Was that ever confirmed somewhere?
Nullflowerblush said:
Isn't the breath thing a dubism?
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I think it’s a Toei-ism, because in the Manga he doesn’t hold his breath.
Nullflowerblush said:
The statement about the Supreme Kai having an average lifespan of 75,000 is 99% an error, considering Toriyama himself, during the "Toriyama Thought of It Like This" Special featured towards the end of the Character Volume, confirms 75,000 years is the average lifespan of the Glind race, not the Kai or Supreme Kai specifically.
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Quite possibly.
Nullflowerblush said:
Buu was created only 5 million years ago.
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Wasn't that a Daizenshuu line that was retconned by Toriyama, who said Buu existed since Time Immemorial? Additionally, Buu is the only character with this distinction, given Beerus age is quantified in the dozens to hundreds of millions of years range. This is so likely in reference to the oft cited Divine Calendar.
Nullflowerblush said:
Except, the Elder Kai's unlock ritual is a 24-hour-long process. On the topic, the Universal Language, evidently, includes ideas like "hours" and "years". Why would any Other World resident need to know what terms are used to refer to time if they don't exist in a world with time?
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That is true.

The Universal Language is likely built by the Kaioshin for the convenience of themselves and their creations to communicate. Meaning it's possible those terms only exist due to us needing it, and isn't relevant to the Kais.

Though obviously, that’s more trying to square the circle of the pretty obvious answer: Which was that Toriyama probably didn't think the usage of words for audience and his own narrative convenience would be used to say the afterlife experiences time.
 
Gp972 said:
What do You think of this

I'm actually trying to decide if the Kamehameha from the 21st tournament(base, not full power) is superior to Roshi's before 21st Tournament (the one who destroyed mount frypan)
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Goku(21st Tournament) ≈ Roshi(21st Tournament) > Roshi(start) > Goku(start)



Goku kamehameha ≈ roshi kamehameha



Goku Oozaru ≈ roshi full power kamehameha



Goku(post korin Training) > Tao Pai Pai > Goku(21st Tournament) kamehameha > Goku(21st) Tournament) ≈ roshi



Tao Pai Pai the strongest man



Goku > roshi



Tao Pai Pai(23rd Tournament) several times(x3) stronger



Kamehameha Scaling



Kamehameha Full power > kamehameha 21st Tournament roshi/Goku



Kamehameha (mount frypan) > Goku first kamehameha



Maybe? Kamehameha 21s
t Tournament > kamehameha(mount frypan)
 
Gp972 said:
Goku(21st Tournament) ≈ Roshi(21st Tournament) > Roshi(start) > Goku(start)



Goku kamehameha ≈ roshi kamehameha



Goku Oozaru ≈ roshi full power kamehameha



Goku(post korin Training) > Tao Pai Pai > Goku(21st Tournament) kamehameha > Goku(21st) Tournament) ≈ roshi



Tao Pai Pai the strongest man



Goku > roshi



Tao Pai Pai(23rd Tournament) several times(x3) stronger



Kamehameha Scaling



Kamehameha Full power > kamehameha 21st Tournament roshi/Goku



Kamehameha (mount frypan) > Goku first kamehameha



Maybe? Kamehameha 21s
t Tournament > kamehameha(mount frypan)
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Do You think Roshi scales to 1/10 his kamehameha, with Oozaru Goku being equal of stronger than his kamehameha?
 
I have a scan that gives Goku and upgrade of 0.031 tons lol

Goku(Emperor pilaf arc): 1 (0.744 tons)
Goku(post tail regrow): 2 (1.488 tons)
 
RedReaper616 said:
Really? Was that ever confirmed somewhere?
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Goku can breathe whenever he exists King Kai's planet. Kami could breathe when he transported Goku to King Yemma's Palace. Goku could breathe when he visited Frieza in Earth's Hell leading up to the Tournament of Power.
RedReaper616 said:
Wasn't that a Daizenshuu line that was retconned by Toriyama, who said Buu existed since Time Immemorial?
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Buu's origins have been retconned twice, but I didn't even consider the fact that, currently, he was created before the Majin migrated from the Demon Realm, which means he did exist before even the Multiverse was created—although, not before all of time itself—but the battle with the Supreme Kai was only 5 million years ago regardless. In the Daizenshuu's Chronological Table, Buu's creation and the battle with the Supreme Kai were placed within the same timeframe, which is where I had gotten confused.
RedReaper616 said:
This is so likely in reference to the oft cited Divine Calendar.
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Oh, yeah, the gods use a calendar.

Speaking of,
  • In DBS episode 5, Beerus asks King Kai how many years have passed since they last met, and King Kai begins counting one by one using his fingers, before Whis answers with "327", which King Kai confirms.
  • In episode 23, Frieza says he was "strung up like a bagworm moth and left to hang there over a field of flowers forever", being (personally) tortured by the Angels of Hell "every single day".
  • A "hundred million years" have passed since King Yemma crossed Snake Way, as established during DBZ chapter 11; and evidently, one year for Other World is one year for Earth, considering the oni who transported Goku to Snake Way agreed to remind Baba to have Goku resurrected after a year.
  • Gravity cannot exist without time; gravity is defined as the curvature of spacetime.
  • In DBZ chapter 199, King Kai is depicted sleeping, but I don't know if sleeping necessarily requires time.
  • In DBZ chapter 273, Piccolo describes the process of Vegeta's being cleansed of evil and later reincarnated sequentially, which implies time.
Gp972 said:
I have a scan that gives Goku and upgrade of 0.031 tons lol

Goku(Emperor pilaf arc): 1 (0.744 tons)
Goku(post tail regrow): 2 (1.488 tons)
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Where the **** did you find this?
 
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