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Lifting Strength Vs Punching Strength (Tatsumaki vs Broly | 22 - 37 - 1)

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Arkansalter2 said:
The scan provided legit proved my point. I don't see Broly doing a multiversal shockwave / aura in particular. Sure, he'll most definitely do a shockwave but spanning that far? Hell no. Maybe a few kilometers max but it ain't shit that Tatsu can just straight up run away from or dodge and just yeet him to space. .
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"Shockwave where he didn't intend it to reach far means he can't reach far, the concept of ki control is non-existent."

Broly has Low Multi range, that's not up for debate, make a CRT
Arkansalter2 said:
Just saying a bunch of horseshit for no reason.
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Read the profiles.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Le infamous Battle of Gods shockwaves
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Arkansalter2 said:
Okay? Prove it that they can do it by themselves.
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This is irrelevant.

The shockwaves there canonically gets stronger as they get further away and not strong enough to even kill the humans or destroy Earth there at that scene. Even if we go and say it'll be trillions or quintillions of times stronger than that, it isn't enough to kill Tatsumaki.

They even say it in that video :d

Also, even if he's not in character, that's quite big of a claim to say he'd do something remotely similar in the fight.

Is he bloodlusted or just suicidal? :d
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Okay? Prove it that they can do it by themselves.
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Yeah dude, the shockwaves lose their range and speed if another dude isn't punching back! These shockwaves are crazy!!!

I don't have to prove anything, it's in the profiles. Also, does he need to do that to just BLOW UP THE PLANET UNDER HIS FEET? He would just do that if he was chucked into space. He doesn't die in 0.1 seconds, he will just fly back, or destroy the planet from afar.
 
MrTayman616 said:
This is irrelevant.

The shockwaves there canonically gets stronger as they get further away and not strong enough to even kill the humans or destroy Earth there at that scene. Even if we go and say it'll be trillions or quintillions of times stronger than that, it isn't enough to kill Tatsumaki.
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Oh my GOD.

NO.

These shockwaves were getting stronger as they travelled because Goku was NULLIFYING THEM at the beginning with his own punch. As they misaligned, they began to destroy shit.

If one character does it without a NULLIFYING counterforce, it will nuke the planet.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Oh my GOD.

NO.

These shockwaves were getting stronger as they travelled because Goku was NULLIFYING THEM at the beginning with his own punch. As they misaligned, they began to destroy shit.

If one character does it without a NULLIFYING counterforce, it will nuke the planet.
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You're legit proving you know zero things about DBS, which is fine, but don't make claims, just ask. We literally already have all that shit explained and accepted.
 
MrTayman616 said:
That's the thing. The radius isn't to the point of destroying the planet, Tatsumaki would always have enough room to espace.
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The radius can reach the entire planet and still not destroy it. First because he can just use a Small Planet level amount of strength, which reaches the entire thing but doesn't destroy it, second, because Ki Control is literally selective. Vegeta can do a Star level attack and have that thing destroy just a small crater
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Oh my GOD.

NO.

These shockwaves were getting stronger as they travelled because Goku was NULLIFYING THEM at the beginning with his own punch. As they misaligned, they began to destroy shit.

If one character does it without a NULLIFYING counterforce, it will nuke the planet.
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Wow, is that how we accept it in the wiki?

Doesn't the clash between Kamehameha and Hakai also creates a shockwave of that exact style? He isn't stopping anything with his technique there, no?

Eh, not the topic of here anyway ig.

And still
Also, even if he's not in character, that's quite big of a claim to say he'd do something remotely similar in the fight.

Is he bloodlusted or just suicidal? :d
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GodlyCharmander said:
The radius can reach the entire planet and still not destroy it. First because he can just use a Small Planet level amount of strength, which reaches the entire thing but doesn't destroy it, second, because Ki Control is literally selective. Vegeta can do a Star level attack and have that thing destroy just a small crater
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So it's completely normal and expectable that Broly would do something like this, with or without being in character?

Ki Control is selective, AP and DC difference makes it clear, yeah. But this just sounds like a strecth. Like "Any method imaginable" regardless of if it'd actually be done.

Does Broly doing something like that sounds more reasonable and likely than literally anything argued for Tatsumaki here?
 
MrTayman616 said:
Wow, is that how we accept it in the wiki?

Doesn't the clash between Kamehameha and Hakai also creates a shockwave of that exact style? He isn't stopping anything with his technique there, no?
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Beerus nullifies that shockwave with his finger, that one, because it wasn't a fist clash with Goku nullyfing stuff, was also going to destroy the universe outright without "travelling to get stronger" or whatnot

MrTayman616 said:
So it's completely normal and expectable that Broly would do something like this, with or without being in character?

Ki Control is selective, AP and DC difference makes it clear, yeah. But this just sounds like a strecth. Like "Any method imaginable" regardless of if it'd actually be done.

Does Broly doing something like that sounds more reasonable and likely than literally anything argued for Tatsumaki here?
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We're both claiming the bloodlusted characters would act in a way that makes sense. Broly has the option to nuke himself, he has done it before.
Broly is bloodlusted, he doesn't need to act in character

Because what's the claim here? That Broly WOULDN'T just nuke his ki to escape something, even if that's his only option?

Neither option, choking or throwing him into space, even work. The choking would take an eternity, and he can definitely nuke the general area.

The throwing into space, she would lose her range within a few seconds after Broly is shoved away. Broly can just fly back, or nuke a part of the planet she's on from afar. He doesn't need to even let her know too.
 
I think that in versus threads, Durability is often ignored even though it is the primary counter to Lifting Strength.

Tatsumaki's lifting strength cannot kill or crush a character who possesses extremely high 2-C durability, so there is no reason to argue that she can crush him to death or kill him through suffocation.

Furthermore, Broly is capable of traveling between planets and through space. This was stated in Dragon Ball itself when the Supreme Kai and East Kai mentioned that Broly was destroying planets across the Southern Galaxy and was close to finishing its destruction. This means that throwing him into space is not a problem at all, because he can simply return to Earth or travel to any planet within the galaxy. So how can it be said that he loses in space when, within a short period of time, he traveled across the planets of the Southern Galaxy and wiped out all life on them?

Broly's lifestyle is also somewhat similar to Frieza's. He is different from ordinary Saiyans in terms of upbringing and experience. Frieza, for example, can escape to other planets by traveling to them at high speed. Whis himself stated, when Earth was about to explode, that Frieza had undoubtedly escaped to another planet before the explosion.

Since BFR into space becomes useless if Broly can travel between planets, throwing him away is not a valid win condition. He would simply return immediately and unleash a full-power attack, such as the one he used against Gogeta. When Gogeta attacked Broly with numerous energy blasts from above, Broly gathered a massive sphere of power around himself and released it in every possible direction, wiping everything out instantly. Tatsumaki would not be able to escape such an attack because it covers all possible directions. Even with equalized speed, the energy blasts spread everywhere, leaving no room for evasion.

Additionally, according to the profiles, Saiyans possess considerable endurance in space. They can survive without breathing for a very long time. Therefore, throwing Broly a relatively short distance into space is trivial. He could simply disappear from sight and reappear near her immediately, or launch a finishing attack from space itself, destroy the planet, and then flee to another planet—just as he did while devastating the Southern Galaxy.

Broly wins.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I think that in versus threads, Durability is often ignored even though it is the primary counter to Lifting Strength.

Tatsumaki's lifting strength cannot kill or crush a character who possesses extremely high 2-C durability, so there is no reason to argue that she can crush him to death or kill him through suffocation.

Furthermore, Broly is capable of traveling between planets and through space. This was stated in Dragon Ball itself when the Supreme Kai and East Kai mentioned that Broly was destroying planets across the Southern Galaxy and was close to finishing its destruction. This means that throwing him into space is not a problem at all, because he can simply return to Earth or travel to any planet within the galaxy. So how can it be said that he loses in space when, within a short period of time, he traveled across the planets of the Southern Galaxy and wiped out all life on them?

Broly's lifestyle is also somewhat similar to Frieza's. He is different from ordinary Saiyans in terms of upbringing and experience. Frieza, for example, can escape to other planets by traveling to them at high speed. Whis himself stated, when Earth was about to explode, that Frieza had undoubtedly escaped to another planet before the explosion.

Since BFR into space becomes useless if Broly can travel between planets, throwing him away is not a valid win condition. He would simply return immediately and unleash a full-power attack, such as the one he used against Gogeta. When Gogeta attacked Broly with numerous energy blasts from above, Broly gathered a massive sphere of power around himself and released it in every possible direction, wiping everything out instantly. Tatsumaki would not be able to escape such an attack because it covers all possible directions. Even with equalized speed, the energy blasts spread everywhere, leaving no room for evasion.

Additionally, according to the profiles, Saiyans possess considerable endurance in space. They can survive without breathing for a very long time. Therefore, throwing Broly a relatively short distance into space is trivial. He could simply disappear from sight and reappear near her immediately, or launch a finishing attack from space itself, destroy the planet, and then flee to another planet—just as he did while devastating the Southern Galaxy.

Broly wins.
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This is DBS Broly not Z Broly but your idea of Broly traversing planets and galaxies and attacking Tatsumaki from afar isn’t completely wrong. It’s definitely something he can do given he has spatial manipulation and granted Gogeta and Broly’s feat. He could emit so much power and pretty much AOE nuke and teleport himself out of harms way if we’re dismissing the whole point of AP. Wouldn’t be suicidal, would be a hit and run.
 
ShionAH said:
Hey?? Leave it be, I wanna be the incon vote!
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Nope nope nope too late we’re in this TOGETHER pal

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GodlyCharmander said:
We're both claiming the bloodlusted characters would act in a way that makes sense. Broly has the option to nuke himself, he has done it before.
Broly is bloodlusted, he doesn't need to act in character
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GodlyCharmander said:
Because what's the claim here? That Broly WOULDN'T just nuke his ki to escape something, even if that's his only option?
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I'm not saying he would never nuke himself or anything.

I was referring to this
First because he can just use a Small Planet level amount of strength, which reaches the entire thing but doesn't destroy it
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In character or not, something to this level is just a scretch. Not expected nor likely in any way.

He nukes himself, i can see it happening. Maybe he destroys the planet, ok he's bloodlusted, so maybe. But something like that?
GodlyCharmander said:
The throwing into space, she would lose her range within a few seconds after Broly is shoved away. Broly can just fly back, or nuke a part of the planet she's on from afar. He doesn't need to even let her know too.
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Her range is more than enough to escape thousand kilometers away and still send him that far away. If anything, it'd happen before Broly's attack can even reach her, and that's in the case it even happens like that.

Broly just dies either way, no?

ShionAH said:
I am voting Incon to feel different
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You're the only one who's voting correctly imo d:

Broly ain't hitting Tatsumaki before being sent to space, but if he's nuking the world while it happens, Tatsumaki also dies. If we say something like he tries to nuke the world, he also dies.

If any attempt of Tatsumaki ends in nuke, Tatsumaki can't defeat him. But if any attempt ends with Broly being in space or planet being destroyed, Broly isn't winning either.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I think that in versus threads, Durability is often ignored even though it is the primary counter to Lifting Strength.

Tatsumaki's lifting strength cannot kill or crush a character who possesses extremely high 2-C durability, so there is no reason to argue that she can crush him to death or kill him through suffocation.

Furthermore, Broly is capable of traveling between planets and through space. This was stated in Dragon Ball itself when the Supreme Kai and East Kai mentioned that Broly was destroying planets across the Southern Galaxy and was close to finishing its destruction. This means that throwing him into space is not a problem at all, because he can simply return to Earth or travel to any planet within the galaxy. So how can it be said that he loses in space when, within a short period of time, he traveled across the planets of the Southern Galaxy and wiped out all life on them?

Broly's lifestyle is also somewhat similar to Frieza's. He is different from ordinary Saiyans in terms of upbringing and experience. Frieza, for example, can escape to other planets by traveling to them at high speed. Whis himself stated, when Earth was about to explode, that Frieza had undoubtedly escaped to another planet before the explosion.

Since BFR into space becomes useless if Broly can travel between planets, throwing him away is not a valid win condition. He would simply return immediately and unleash a full-power attack, such as the one he used against Gogeta. When Gogeta attacked Broly with numerous energy blasts from above, Broly gathered a massive sphere of power around himself and released it in every possible direction, wiping everything out instantly. Tatsumaki would not be able to escape such an attack because it covers all possible directions. Even with equalized speed, the energy blasts spread everywhere, leaving no room for evasion.

Additionally, according to the profiles, Saiyans possess considerable endurance in space. They can survive without breathing for a very long time. Therefore, throwing Broly a relatively short distance into space is trivial. He could simply disappear from sight and reappear near her immediately, or launch a finishing attack from space itself, destroy the planet, and then flee to another planet—just as he did while devastating the Southern Galaxy.

Broly wins.
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Hmm. Agreed. Tats definitely isn't gonna be able to crush Broly with his higher dura.

Anyway without repeating anymore of Azzy's points put my vote down for Broly.
 
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