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1-A hax/true formAlien X above Bill, he stomps via range dunno the rest, anyone who doesn't have 26-D range can't fw himor immo type 9 negation on 26-D level
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Rikimarox2
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Ah, screw it.
As mentioned by other users, Skarbrand in 5-B should probably be far higher in the list. Although I would argue that Wang Wei does technically beat him since the void won't be able to permanently do the total corruption thing, mostly due to his luck and Fate Nexus (which is 1-A) preventing him from permanently dying or being corrupted or whatever (Honestly I should probably make the CRT where future versions of Wang Wei just send attacks to the past to anyone who tries to stop him or his younger self), but I'd say just put him above it since it is weird and unlikely (and he can't defeat someone who loses to Skar).
Put him right below Marvel, since they apparently outhax.
Now for the real agenda If that was done, I'd nominate Neo for like, below Final Fantasy dudes since I have no idea what they do. Also, important, remove Carrera from the 5-B list, since she isn't 5-B from what the profile says.
As mentioned by other users, Skarbrand in 5-B should probably be far higher in the list. Although I would argue that Wang Wei does technically beat him since the void won't be able to permanently do the total corruption thing, mostly due to his luck and Fate Nexus (which is 1-A) preventing him from permanently dying or being corrupted or whatever (Honestly I should probably make the CRT where future versions of Wang Wei just send attacks to the past to anyone who tries to stop him or his younger self), but I'd say just put him above it since it is weird and unlikely (and he can't defeat someone who loses to Skar).
Put him right below Marvel, since they apparently outhax.
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Does Wang have any other 1-A Smurf hax?
Rikimarox2
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The 5-B is only like, Fate stuff, but that isn't that strong besides making sure he doesn't permanently get screwed. Basically, he's destined to stuff in the future that cannot be changed unless you have Fate Dao iirc (1 layer above baseline).
Other keys? 4-C has offensive 1-A fate hax (Baseline tho), and the last key are all, 1-A in potency and 1 layer above baseline.
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Skarbrand 1000% resists fatehax lol
Rikimarox2
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Ah right, his resistances are 2 layers above Baseline 1-A? If so, then sure, he defeats Wang Wei (Istg he didn't have those shenanigans before to this level before, what happened
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He did it's just that most of us didn't care to argue him higher.Ah right, his resistances are 2 layers above Baseline 1-A? If so, then sure, he defeats Wang Wei (Istg he didn't have those shenanigans before to this level before, what happened
Though, if Wang Wei has 3-D layers like at all, he should be able to pierce Skarbrand's non-esoteric resistances
Rikimarox2
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What are his Non-esoteric resistances? Matter manip, fire, etc...? Wang Wei has like, what, 10-20 layers in this key for hax?
Edit: It's 26 layers.
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lmfao, yeah if Wang Wei has fate hax above the warp storm in regards to not being slammed by it, he should be fine standing in it.
Yeah that should work assuming he uses it
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If that's all his fate hax does then Marvel's 5-B smurfs with 1-A hax can still incap him for sure.
Especially Doctor Doom.
I see.
Rikimarox2
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His fate stuff is 1 layer above baseline iirc (Technically should be 2-3, but I didn't mention it in the CRT, so I'm not sure if I'm allowed without a CRT), so he'll probably lose.
Though he has a passive aura (something he has to actively restrict) that covers the entire world and destroys shit and causes others to kneel due to the sheer strength/pressure of it. Not sure how it'll work here though, since the Warp shenanigans seem to be instant.
Though, again, I don't mind Wang Wei being below that (I'm mostly nominating for Neo
)Oh nah, I'm not nominating him against Marvel dudes, at least not in this key. Dude isn't that strong against smurf shit, he mostly has layers and that's it. Later keys are a different thing, though.
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Yes, but if it's affecting himself, the Warpstorm won't matter, it's baseline 1-A hax.
That might just turn Skarbrand into a 4-B he gets so unbelievably ******* mad lol
If he uses like, any of his non-esoteric PnA he should be able to nuke Skarbrand pretty easily. Sure if he gets into melee he's entering the blend zone from a hyper-pissed Daemon with axes scarier than hell, but I sincerely doubt Wang Wei will actually be that stupid lolThough, again, I don't mind Wang Wei being below that (I'm mostly nominating for Neo
Rikimarox2
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Ah, well, in that case WW will probably just, punch lmao. Pretty much everything besides the soul and mind stuff are non-esoteric, and he uses them a lot. So, he can just, punch and nuke him via matter and vibration stuff (which is also 4-B).
He can also just boost himself by 7 times, and can also just, unleash the bajillion danmakus he has. He unleashes millions of blackwind that turns into hurricanes, cyclones, etc... that are able to damage people on his ap level, and each one is thousands of kilometers in size.
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Well, Skarbrand's mind/soul has an infinite Russian nesting doll of requirements to interact with, including Paraconistent Physiology 2, Acasuality 5, every flavor of NEP 2, and like 6 different flavors of AE1, so the not 4-B shit doesn't work lol
Rikimarox2
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Isn't that only for his mind/soul? His regen is overtime, right? Everything I mentioned is just like, wind Manip and stuff, they aren't targeting the mind specifically, just the body.
Though even then, WW can probably deduce to just his 4-B attack, since especially later on he uses that shit like it's a normal attack. And, well, given his luck shenanigans, I'd wager he'd know to just nuke him.
Though even then, WW can probably deduce to just his 4-B attack, since especially later on he uses that shit like it's a normal attack. And, well, given his luck shenanigans, I'd wager he'd know to just nuke him.
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pretty sure straight up physical attacks would affect skarbrand deamons are affected by symbolism there is a` reason why melee is so effective against them even by non pyskers.
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Sure, then AX is 4
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Bobsican
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Bumping this as it seems this was ignored, in particular the 8th spot in 10-A seems appropiate.
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The #1 in 10-A appears to not be 10-A.
Would the #2 be 10-A or Unknown?
If we put Hatou in 10-A it seems to me she can take #5, as the listed characters at a glance have no resistance to having their ancestors killed.
Would the #2 be 10-A or Unknown?
If we put Hatou in 10-A it seems to me she can take #5, as the listed characters at a glance have no resistance to having their ancestors killed.
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I never noticed that. Can I fix his tier to match his stats without a CRT?
Bobsican
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I don't think that Hatou can get past Yogiri given his nature as kinda lacking an ancestor to begin with (let alone the infamous hax and soloing his own verse).
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Forgot to edit that. It is not physically for that tier been that way for long time.
Bobsican
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So this criteria in the OP is being removed then? That'd have some ramifications if so.
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Maybe, but I wonder how the Marvel characters do. Maybe Yogiri should be higher?
Alternatively, Hatou, Marvel and Yogiri should share a spot due to a rock-paper-scissors relationship.
Not really sure what you mean to do. His stats are Mountain level+ and his Tier is 7-A. That seems to all match?
So which statistic do we go by now?
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We just go by tiers now.
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As you said, he's 10-A, but his profile says he's Human Level, so it should be changed to 10-B.
Bobsican
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I'd think that Hatou should also have a 10-A tier as that's her physical Striking Strength, but that'd be up to DT as I'm not into that verse.
Anyways, with the tier being the qualifier for a given list over necessarily being physically that tier as well... Yogiri would now qualify for a spot in 1-C, although IDK where as the profile doesn't lay clear the dimensional level his true form falls in.
Anyways, with the tier being the qualifier for a given list over necessarily being physically that tier as well... Yogiri would now qualify for a spot in 1-C, although IDK where as the profile doesn't lay clear the dimensional level his true form falls in.
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It's 6-D.
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There's a new profile for YTSY, and also one of Gao Chuan's Tiers was wrong.
- Gao Chuan should be removed from #1 in 10-A and put into #1 in 10-B instead.
- From what I can tell, all of her abilities stem from Plot Manipulation, which will just be negated by [Miracle].
- Carapace Demons will contend to take #1 in 9-C, I'm not actually sure. For once [Miracle] isn't a factor here, since Demons don't really have any willpower feats to speak of and are just creations.
- It depends on what Kaito leads with, and if the Creators take interest in what's going on. That would only happen if somebody Tier 1 shows up to intervene. @Celestial_Pegasus this is your verse I believe? So can you let me know what Kaito opens with, and what situations he'll call on Eden & Shallow?
- Demon Colossi will contend to take #1 in 8-B.
- Like before, it depends on what Caliborn uses, and whether he demonstrates any Tier 1 capabilities. If he does, then a Creator will take interest and fight through the Colossi like an Avatar, if he doesn't, then it'll just be a straight fight, and the Colossi will hit him with 2-A Law Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, and High 1-A Lightning. I'll just ask @Deonment since they're pretty knowledgeable.
- Carapace Demon Swarm will contend to take #1 in 6-A.
- Like the previous situations, it depends on whether Captain uses any Tier 1 Abilities and attracts the attention of a Creator or not. So I'll just ask @TheGreatJedi13
- Avici-Level Demons will content to take #1 in Low 5-B.
- I actually have no clue what Sakamaki does, but Avici-Level Demons, even without the Creators influence will just spam Low 1-C Transcendental Spells (Causality, Dimensionality, Space-Time, Transmutation, Deconstruction, Absorption & Hyperdimensional shenanigans) and are capable of tanking universes to the face. Of course the same issue of, if Sakamaki shows off any Tier 1 Abilities, it will attract the attention of a Creator, and then it's basically GG.
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Kaito opens with social influencing.
Eden he only called once because he needed a God to overpower the situation he was in, and force Vier and Kuro to reconcile.
Shallow Vernal is always watching him, past, present, future, she can intervene whenever she wants, he ask for her help one time because some wyverns were attacking and Shiro wanted to be useful, that was an overkill.
Otherwise he has the Little Epilogue which automatically kills anything hostile to him.
Eden he only called once because he needed a God to overpower the situation he was in, and force Vier and Kuro to reconcile.
Shallow Vernal is always watching him, past, present, future, she can intervene whenever she wants, he ask for her help one time because some wyverns were attacking and Shiro wanted to be useful, that was an overkill.
Otherwise he has the Little Epilogue which automatically kills anything hostile to him.
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I may be missing something, but how exactly do they beat the Tensura guys?
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Would that not count as Outside help, or?
If not, then Caliborn gets the creators involved because he himself is passive 1-A bullshit both through his control over the forces of inevitability and through his nature as a supreme villain
Also fdym high 1-A lightning
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I don't think he's going to be able to talk with the demons. They don't have wisdom or anything at this stage.
He's going to want to avoid this, since Demons can have their power elevated via their Creators depending on the situation. The only thing their Creators care about is the unique information of different worlds and beings, so if they detect something like Eden or Shallow, they'll basically take over the demon in question and do everything in their power to take Eden or Shallows information for themselves.
Also, they're smurfed out the wazoo (High 1-A stuff)
The same way they might beat Captain, though it boils down to the same question of whether Tensura pulls out any Tier 1 abilities that catch the Creators interest.
All demons are basically just avatars for the Creators, so it's just them helping themselves.
Then Caliborn and his verse are going to end up getting assimilated. They'll avoid killing him, but they will devour his information.
Demons don't typically have magic, but this one is using the corpses of humans to do so. And magic done by connecting to High 1-A Concepts utilizing their power.
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Nah
Either demons get passive haxed (there's quite a bit of variety on that one) or Tensura guys try to make any move and nuke the local space-time continuum as a collateral
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What are their passives?
As long as they match the Tier, they can be as smurfed as you want.
Mbpoops
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Errr unless the doctor who characters, aside from the doctor, have 12D range kiana might be above them and mother eater aswell
