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Everything that is listed under Magicules here, except True Dragon level
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Wait til the Dr. Who revisions are done...
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Yeah, all that gets resisted or just doesn't work.
From what I can see of their ressitances, they get possessed.
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May I even ask where are the resistances of these guys listed?
I'm pretty sure they can't interact with the AE per their NPI
Also, even if passives don't work, there's the second part of my previous message
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Also upon looking at Hatou's profile, I think Scarlet Witch should be above her in 9-B.
Has Acausality 1 and resistance to history erasure, plus Wanda's probability-manipulating hax (which is layered btw, as is her resistance to probability hax) is downright absurd when there's no PIS. You know Domino's passive luck? Wanda is that on steroids, her ability to alter probability is literally considered "high-level" to Domino's "low-level", and Wanda can just alter probability to not only make everything Hatou does miss, but can make nearly-impossible things happen, like Hatou and any clone of hers in Wanda's vicinity randomly combust, miss every attack, get knocked out by tripping on a banana peel, etc.
Like, Hatou's probability hax is impressive, but Wanda's hax is literally choosing the probabilities that best fit her. She can literally fold up possibilities from past, present, and future and store them in another dimension. Honestly makes the fight fitting, so a nice coincidence. Plus it doesn't seem like Hatou has any real wincons.
Klein is about to get High 1-A+ smurf hax from what I hear so I won't bother putting him up against Wanda until that thread ends and I see how it affects Klein's hax.
Has Acausality 1 and resistance to history erasure, plus Wanda's probability-manipulating hax (which is layered btw, as is her resistance to probability hax) is downright absurd when there's no PIS. You know Domino's passive luck? Wanda is that on steroids, her ability to alter probability is literally considered "high-level" to Domino's "low-level", and Wanda can just alter probability to not only make everything Hatou does miss, but can make nearly-impossible things happen, like Hatou and any clone of hers in Wanda's vicinity randomly combust, miss every attack, get knocked out by tripping on a banana peel, etc.
Like, Hatou's probability hax is impressive, but Wanda's hax is literally choosing the probabilities that best fit her. She can literally fold up possibilities from past, present, and future and store them in another dimension. Honestly makes the fight fitting, so a nice coincidence. Plus it doesn't seem like Hatou has any real wincons.
Klein is about to get High 1-A+ smurf hax from what I hear so I won't bother putting him up against Wanda until that thread ends and I see how it affects Klein's hax.
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They resist everything listed in this section here.
What are their AE's? I can't see it on their profile.
Sounds like they would get possessed before they decide to go all out. Though it's interesting that they're 6-A within a specific world, are we assuming this encounter takes place in the Cardinal World?
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I don't see Death, Fear, Madness, Radiation and Corruption stuff there tho?
There's a physiology link on profiles -_-
Funny thing is, they don't need to go "all out"
That's the 1-C stuff they have
The Low 2-C comes from them just not purposely weakening themselves
(And our world being a physical one)
That I don't really know
It can, but it also means additional restrictions on demons themselves, so..
We can try to figure it out, but should we?
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Friendly reminder that because Tensura monstah passives have an unknown timeframe to them, they are worthless in versus threads.
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That's only for Low-level ones
The higher tiers work just fine
Dark only creates mathups with the former, hence why he says that
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They're already dead, so Death Manipulation doesn't really do anything.
Fear & Madness doesn't work on Inorganic Physiology Type 2.
The Corruption doesn't really seem combat-applicable.
Also, they're not organic or living, which the Radiation Manipulation is stated to target.
Mb, it was at the bottom of Dino's page.
Anyway, yeah, they can affect all that. In the verse is established that anything you can see, you can affect. Obviously, that would be NLF, but it would still scale to all the AE present in the verse, which covers everything on those profiles.
Well, seeing that they only get that Tier from being in a certain location, either the fight happens there, or they aren't 6-A in this match.
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Please show me a scan of it ACTUALLY instantly mogging someone who gets in range. Or at least it being stated to do it instantly.
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That'll proc his passives still, and resulting in Paradox Space nuking the timeline, or they'll get caught up in his inevitability bullshit and thus only serve to bring about his ascension to his 1-A key where he just kills them anyways
Also, then that's just lightning with a high 1-A source, not potency
Mbpoops
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I mean yea but until then they cant really reach her so its either characters from doctor who include the H1B mfs which would put them at 1 and her at 2, they cant reach kiana so shes #1 or they share a spot
Just for now tho ofc
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Once the Dr. Who revisions are done, they might honestly be capable of fighting YTSY characters, lol.
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The Witness should probably take 4th or 3rd spot in High 1-B.
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Doesn't really matter, works at soul level
Has same effects on undead
Huh? Since when?
It's not biology based, it's a straight effect
Affecting even incorporeal stuff, which I would argue is more inorganic
Why is their profiles only listing CM3 NPI then though?
Doesn't it contradict that notion?
Then we need to figure out how will the swarm be affected in it
So like, can you explicitly describe what the 6A guys do?
Cuz the page is a mix from several tiers, so idk about individuals
This stuff, this stuff
Radiation is a bit harder to get since it's not on the page due to redundancy, but there was a moment where they had to prevent a guy from turning a city into a wasteland with his Magicules
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Creators are smurfed way beyond 1-A and have Acausality Type 5, so that won't hurt them at all.
Nah, it's done through manipulating the information of the Akashic Records, which is a High 1-A structure.
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Fighting lotm atoms
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The thread to do it already exists; it just hasn't been applied due to a lack of staff
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To expand upon this, You basically need to properly 1-A something for it to be properly smurf hax. For instance, when Arkhan the Black held back the End Times Rift, when he eventually blew up because his body gave up before his magic did, that rift went on to eat the setting and assimilate it into a 1-A structure to be reborn later. Thus giving Arkhan 1-A hax for holding the damn thing back.
Skill issue
Mbpoops
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But yea for now Kiana Kaslana should be #1 on H1-C
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Yeah, but it'll kill the person in the match beyond their ability to come back, given the degree to which Paradox Space purges shit, which includes concepts and goes into outright narrative territory
Doesn't change my point, though, manipulation of that to create an effect doesn't mean said effect is high 1-A in potency
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Like Reaper said, get more staff.
Really? Are High 1-C scrubs that weak?
Yeah, they can probably do that too. Klein vs the Doctor would honestly be fun.
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Eh, it's Minor Death Manipulation, plus it was coming from Veldora. Unless we're saying everyone can mimic the same potency of aura as him.
And if they do, then the Creators get involved, and it's gg.
Either way, demons don't gain wisdom or even sentience for hundreds of years.
Unless you have evidence of them using Fear Manipulation on things like that.
They list that they can interact with Spiritual Energy, which kinda covers everything else.
Let's see, Spiritual Life Forms are Laws & Concepts.
- Magic interacts with Type 1 Concepts, and the material that makes up their bodies can straight up become Laws. Information Manipulation is how they perform Magic in the first place.
- As for NEP, Spiritual Energy can be existence and nonexistence, yes and no, one and zero, etc.
See, the problem is if this is a battle taking place in another world, then the Creators are going to take an interest, in which case you're no longer dealing with 6-A guys.
Once Creators take an interest, Demons gain High-Godly Regeneration.
We can stress test if you give me a list of everything that might get destroyed.
I kid you not, it's stated that the effects of all abilities produced by magic are also the same force behind those High 1-A Concepts.
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Beyond the obvious of Time/History, which is causality, which is fate and whatnot, there is
Honestly, there are more I can potentially bring up to specify the nature of these things (ie Three Pillars of Canon nonsense), but these are the general categories that apply
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Ummmm?
Minor Death stuff was for the Low-level
There's another one
Also, where did Veldora come from?
The EE? That one is from his sealed state which is incredibly below his normal paygrade. Otherwise B+ monsters wouldn't be surviving in the cave
Does animalistic stuff count?
Why are NPI listed alongside Spiritual Energy manip then tho?
Why not just make it into some general abilities
Oh, and the talk was about posession, wasn't it? The page says the host must offer no resistance. And here the hosts will. After all, SLR also can into posession as States o their page. And people can prevent that stuff
Isn't our world (foe SBA) also another world? CW isn't any different in that regard
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If they gain High 1-A+ Abilities, they have a chance, would be a fun match though.
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Bro just agree with crt, can’t wait to see this chinamen battle with all possible hax and bullshit in wiki
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I already did. All you guys need is one or two more votes.
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I missed it from 7 pages of slander and agenda. Cant wait to see this battle
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So the issue is that the Type 3 Concepts in question are Indestructible, Immortal, and protected by a High 1-A+ Law. Hardly anyone in the verse can come back from just True Spirits, but Demons are an example of ones that can.
I missed that, my bad.
Anyway, it says against a human target, so I don't think this is applicable.
Depends, because a lot of animals are sentient.
I don't know what you mean.
That's a mistype on my part; the actual scan says they must have no resistance, which is the case.
SBA takes place on Earth, which the Creators have already devoured, so they wouldn't care about it. CW is a unique world.
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It's applicable
Humans are just generally seen as weaker and have no innate resistance to this stuff, like monsters
So realistically, demons are humans here
I think impending doom applies to purely instinctual rather well
This stuff
They do have resistance tho? SLF can't come and just possess anyone, cuz they are getting resisted
Willpower-based verse and all that stuff
Technically Earth is also just another world in the Tensura Multi verse, so also not so different
But actually, we need to ask OP on how would this work and where will the battle be
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Considering that page and various others, which imply or outright state the fact that it can be erased or damaged, I doubt the veracity of that statement
But otherwise it doesn't actually change the rest of what they simply cease to have, and thus are incapped
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That's not how that works.
If you can show me that Death Manipulation is working on things similar to demons, then we can discuss it.
You would have to prove that.
It's cause I wrote that back when spiritual energy wasn't confirmed to be all that stuff.
I didn't see it on their page.
This doesn't seem related, since we're talking about CW, which is not Earth.
Where?
Not really. They will get erased down to their True Spirit, then the Creators will regenerate them, elevate their powers, or turn them into a clone of them.
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Am going to sleep, so won't respond for the next 5-12 hours
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In demon general abilities
Path Unifier
Path's page again, for Torrents
Golden Core
Evil Gods
These are all either the nonexistence of a true spirit, or the ability to regenerate from a true spirit's destruction/erasure from characters on levels lower than High 1-A+
Well, no, getting hit with the plot erasure in this case will make everything they do utterly ineffectual, in a state worse off than even doomed timelines (the state from which all of the mentioned things bar plot are erased), you have no Truth so no matter how relevant or essential your actions are they carry no actual impact into the Alpha Timeline and what is Canon, they no longer have a concept of existence to sustain themselves after it kills itself as a result of Paradox Space's purge, or the rest of the concepts said reality participates in (though whether or not said things are rooted in skaia or not is a seperate question I'm not touching rn), in addition to the entire timeline just ceasing to be as a result, so even if they could come back, they wouldn't actually be able to do anything in the resulting void
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Oh, well, that's because the Law was only established after the War of Correctness.
So basically, there were people who could regenerate True Spirits, but then True Spirits became indestructible, so there was no reason to anymore.
Creators can operate in the Void, which lacks all concepts, including the Concept of Existence and Stories, so it's not an issue. And unless you're targeting their Great Paths in the Akashic Records, you're not affecting their Truth.
