Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

[Deonment]

So basically, there were people who could regenerate True Spirits, but then True Spirits became indestructible, so there was no reason to anymore.

High 1-A+ being makes a law
It isn't retroactive and acausal

Wack but aight

Creators can operate in the Void, which lacks all concepts, including the Concept of Existence and Stories, so it's not an issue. And unless you're targeting their Great Paths in the Akashic Records, you're not affecting their Truth.

Truth in this context is part of the plot, one of the three pillars of canon that determine how and if something is canon, outside canon, and not canon at all. Things without Truth are instantly sent into non-canon never canon land, and begin to fade away/become unable to interact with canon, described as existing on an imaginary axis with projections of relevance or essentially that can be non-zero but are rendered meaningless as a result of being untrue.
Tl;dr they can't interact with reality due to getting tossed outside canon
Actually, lemme just quote the page for this

Spoiler: Homestuck Pillars

ROSE: Just because certain events take place outside of canon, it doesn’t mean those events are non-canon.
JOHN: oh.
ROSE: In other words, there is an important distinction between events which can be considered to occur inside canon, outside canon, and those which are not canon at all.
ROSE: The day we went through that door and claimed our reward, we passed a threshold between continua marked by differing degrees of relevance, truth, and essentiality.
ROSE: Those are the three pillars of canon.

ROSE: Any event said to take place inside canon will have nonzero values of relevance and essentiality, while maintaining an absolute foundation in truth, by definition.
ROSE: Whereas events outside canon have diminished values of relevance and essentiality. Or, for the most part, can be considered neither relevant nor essential at all.
ROSE: But such events can’t be said to be untrue either. Instead, it’s better to regard their truth value as highly conditional.

ROSE: Events that are formally non-canon have no truth whatsoever, by definition.
ROSE: They may have relevance and essentiality values that are nonzero, or even quite high, but only as projections along an imaginary axis, resulting from highly subjective frames of reference.
ROSE: But due to those events having no truth, and thus carrying no real weight, the other properties are basically rendered meaningless.

ROSE: Yes, the longer we live outside of canon, the more tenuous our relationship with canon becomes.
ROSE: Hence the urgency.
JOHN: then what’s going to happen if we keep dragging our feet?
ROSE: I mentioned that events outside canon have a truth value that tends to be conditional, remember?
JOHN: um.
ROSE: Well, I did. But let me put it another way.
ROSE: As long as we live outside canon, everything that happens will technically be “real,” but only conditionally.
ROSE: There are certain crucial events inside canon which must happen in order to continue to prop up the legitimacy of events here on Earth C.
ROSE: And you specifically, John, have a responsibility to make sure those events take place.
JOHN: and i take it that means going back and killing lord english?
ROSE: Yes.
ROSE: His defeat is the keystone to this entire continuity.
ROSE: Much like his life, in some sick way, governed the overall design of the bridge which that keystone was holding up.
ROSE: But without it, all of this falls apart. Every thing we’ve been through, in a way that’s impossible for a single mind to fully comprehend, becomes retroactively discredited.
JOHN: so... reality will be destroyed, or something?
JOHN: hasn’t that already sort of happened?
JOHN: i mean, when all the black space started cracking?
ROSE: No, this consequence isn’t physical, or even a disruption of the timeline. It’s more of a conceptual unraveling.
ROSE: If you miss the chance to authenticate canon events, something will take place that’s a bit difficult to describe, but I’ve encountered a term for it.
ROSE: It’s called “dissipation.”
ROSE: Like, a notional fading. As if something, somewhere, is undergoing a process of “forgetting,” and we are what is being forgotten.
ROSE: All ideas, people and their full potentialities, possible outcomes and their specific unfolding, all these things live inside conscious frameworks.
ROSE: The further removed we get from authentication of canon events, the less relevant they become, and they slowly fade from the conscious frameworks which kept them stable.

ROSE: When we went through the door, and passed beyond the threshold of canon, we effectively retired from bearing any responsibility for influencing canon events. We’ve all been sort of decommissioned as active players on the cosmic stage, with severely diminished relevance attributes.

There's the stuff about the stations of canon and whatnot I could send, but this should be enough, and in case you're wondering, they wouldn't be sent out of canon, but straight to non-canon, things that can't happen won't, and all that jazz

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

There's a new profile for YTSY, and also one of Gao Chuan's Tiers was wrong.

• Carapace Demon Swarm will contend to take #1 in 6-A.
  • Like the previous situations, it depends on whether Captain uses any Tier 1 Abilities and attracts the attention of a Creator or not. So I'll just ask @TheGreatJedi13

while would the creator be relevant to this.
if the way of calling them is just them being attracted rather than the user skill they shouldn't even appear.
If they literally only appear when someone uses tier 1 hax then they shouldn't even appear

that is much different from LOTM OC where his existence literally sustains the fate of people so fate hax wouldn't work on them.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Wack but aight

There's a reason for that, actually.

After the war, which involved a shit ton of time manipulation shenanigans, most time-based powers were also banned. They can violate it if they really want to, but they try not to.

There's the stuff about the stations of canon and whatnot I could send, but this should be enough, and in case you're wondering, they wouldn't be sent out of canon, but straight to non-canon, things that can't happen won't, and all that jazz

Well, you have to be specific. Is this BFR, or is this EE?

EE won't work because, as I already stated, Acausality Type 5. If it's BFR, they have Dimensional Travel so they'll just head back in, unless there's something actually stopping them.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

while would the creator be relevant to this.
if the way of calling them is just them being attracted rather than the user skill they shouldn't even appear.
If they literally only appear when someone uses tier 1 hax then they shouldn't even appear

Demons are avatars of the Creators. When Demons come across something uniquely powerful, like a new world or being, they grant the Avatar more power or directly take over.

 

[sukuna171]

Wait til the Dr. Who revisions are done...

Does The Doctor, in his high 1-B form, have any layers to his hax?

 

[Deonment]

Well, you have to be specific. Is this BFR, or is this EE?

EE won't work because, as I already stated, Acausality Type 5. If it's BFR, they have Dimensional Travel so they'll just head back in, unless there's something actually stopping them.

Bit of both and some other stuff, and dimensional travel wouldn't work as they quite simply do not have enough range for that, in addition to the fact that they still lack truth so

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Bit of both, and dimensional travel wouldn't work as they quite simply do not have enough range for that, in addition to the fact that they still lack truth so

Well, they won't lack anything if EE doesn't affect them, and they do resist Plot EE.

As for BFR, I guess they'll just have to counter it directly.

 

[Deonment]

Well, they won't lack anything if EE doesn't affect them, and they do resist Plot EE.

I do not see a lick of plot manip or plot ee or resistance to such on anything on their level

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Demons are avatars of the Creators. When Demons come across something uniquely powerful, like a new world or being, they grant the Avatar more power or directly take over.

Then Captain at 6-A keys is just someone protected by Fate Hax and Law Hax of Mithra. With Bahamut atomization Aura. Haxes have range, but they actually need sufficient energy to make this hax work even on potency.
What does Demon Carapace do anyway

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I do not see a lick of plot manip or plot ee or resistance to such on anything on their level

They resist Spiritual Energy, which modifies the Akashic Records, which is the book of one's story and the various chapters and tales within it.

It's on the Cosmology Page.

Then Captain at 6-A keys is just someone protected by Fate Hax and Law Hax of Mithra. With Bahamut atomization Aura. Haxes have range, but they actually need sufficient energy to make this hax work even on potency.
What does Demon Carapace do anyway

Okay, as long as none of that is Tier 1, then it'll just be a normal fight.

From what I can see, two of the things they use that Captain doesn't resist are Biological Manipulation & Disease Manipulation.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

They resist Spiritual Energy, which modifies the Akashic Records, which is the book of one's story and the various chapters and tales within it.

It's on the Cosmology Page.

Okay, as long as none of that is Tier 1, then it'll just be a normal fight.

From what I can see, two of the things they use that Captain doesn't resist are Biological Manipulation & Disease Manipulation.

How would they bio-hax and disease hax works? Captain can set up a veil or use clear to just remove those, even if he doesn't resist them in that key yet.
and even in the case where it somehow works. Celeste can just override it by stealing Captain's Death. I don't think he would necessarily use willpower unless the enemy is that powerful physically

how are they rated physically since Captain's AP is rated at the higher end of Continent level

 

[Deonment]

They resist Spiritual Energy, which modifies the Akashic Records, which is the book of one's story and the various chapters and tales within it.

It's on the Cosmology Page.

Eh, **** it sure they can take the spot

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

How would they bio-hax and disease hax works? Captain can set up a veil or use clear to just remove those, even if he doesn't resist them in that key yet.
and even in the case where it somehow works. Celeste can just override it by stealing Captain's Death. I don't think he would necessarily use willpower unless the enemy is that powerful physically

Mostly through germs and mutating mucus, but it's Planetary in range. I don't see Self-Sustenance on Captain's page, so they might actually suffocate to death.

how are they rated physically since Captain's AP is rated at the higher end of Continent level

3.845e24J vs 1.848e25J, so a very big stat gap.

The issue is, though, that it's a planetary swarm, and they breed like crazy, so you kind of need to get rid of them in one attack.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Eh, **** it sure they can take the spot

It has been an honor debating with you.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Mostly through germs and mutating mucus, but it's Planetary in range. I don't see Self-Sustenance on Captain's page, so they might actually suffocate to death.

3.845e24J vs 1.848e25J, so a very big stat gap.

The issue is, though, that it's a planetary swarm, and they breed like crazy, so you kind of need to get rid of them in one attack.

Summoning Ifrit would actually just deal with all of them since he can wipe out the entire planetary surface of the Earth with flames, or Tiamat, who can affect winds all across the world. Seeing they would be fighting in New York, both don't have to worry about Grim Basin preventing it.

As for suffocating to death. He wouldn't if Celeste steals his death, and he becomes a zombie or such (Though this would be a last-ditch effort). Or Celeste herself can just counter it with her miasma Null Void, Vile Fog, and Reviving Fog, which not only zombifies living things, which would include the germs and such, but also seals their usage of skills, if that is even applicable. Or Leviathan with rejuvenating waters and also Tidefall, which can putrefy enemies hit

Another last-ditch effort would be Colossus using his spacetime hax to send the swarm to another dimension or themselves back to Sky-realm

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Summoning Ifrit would actually just deal with all of them since he can wipe out the entire planetary surface of the Earth with flames, or Tiamat, who can affect winds all across the world. Seeing they would be fighting in New York, both don't have to worry about Grim Basin preventing it.

They do resist Elemental Manipulation.

As for suffocating to death. He wouldn't if Celeste steals his death, and he becomes a zombie or such (Though this would be a last-ditch effort).

Well, they can possess corpses; in fact, it's easier for them to do so.

Or Celeste herself can just counter it with her miasma Null Void, Vile Fog, and Reviving Fog, which not only zombifies living things, which would include the germs and such, but also seals their usage of skills, if that is even applicable.

That would work on their Disease Manipulation, but the Biological Manipulation comes from their mucus, which isn't living or organic.

Or Leviathan with rejuvenating waters and also Tidefall, which can putrefy enemies hit

Is this via Transmutation?

Another last-ditch effort would be Colossus using his spacetime hax to send the swarm to another dimension or themselves back to Sky-realm

They resist Space-Time stuff.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

They do resist Elemental Manipulation.

Well, they can possess corpses; in fact, it's easier for them to do so.

Not against Corpses under Celeste.
As long as Celeste has their Death stolen, they cannot be taken away or possessed
and those afflicted she can just devour

They do resist Elemental Manipulation.

Captain can reduce elemental resistances with ease

Is this via Transmutation?

It's flatout putrefying to make them decay quickly with water
to some degree, even corroding it

That would work on their Disease Manipulation, but the Biological Manipulation comes from their mucus, which isn't living or organic.

How is their mucus not organic? Since if it is not organic, then it possibly can easily be washed away and diluted to the point of being harmless.
If it comes from an organic being, then it's organic since mucus is a protective secretion which are composed of proteins

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not against Corpses under Celeste.
As long as Celeste has their Death stolen, they cannot be taken away or possessed
and those afflicted she can just devour

I don't see the 'can't be taken away part on her profile'.

Also, I can't imagine her devouring Captain would be a wincon in their favor.

Anyway, if possession really doesn't work, they can also absorb Captain and their Essence, which would translate to their ability to control their power.

Captain can reduce elemental resistances with ease

They also have Resistance to Resistance Negation, and Resistance to things that Negate Resistance Negation.

It's flatout putrefying to make them decay quickly with water
to some degree, even corroding it

Oh, corrosion, I thought you said putrification.

Anyway, they can outregen Corrosion Inducement, and what they're made of can't really be corroded in the first place.

How is their mucus not organic? Since if it is not organic, then it possibly can easily be washed away and diluted to the point of being harmless.
If it comes from an organic being, then it's organic since mucus is a protective secretion which are composed of proteins

Yeah, demons are weird like that; they're not solids, liquids, or gases, and also aren't organic or alive.

 

[AlexSamDen]

That's not how that works.

If you can show me that Death Manipulation is working on things similar to demons, then we can discuss it.

Here's an example here
The town consists primarily of monsters, including undead stuff

Monsters by themselves are also not really organic ig? They're made of Magicules (Hence why they have resistance to magicule abilities). And Magicules aren't organic

And that's alao a reason why Luminous would slam demons. Cuz Holy stuff

Oh, and in Veldora's Cave (and when later only Rimuru was left there) lower monsters didn't dare to approach, cuz they would simply die

I didn't see it on their page.

Cuz outdated stuff. But you can see possession on SLF page.
And there are SLFs that are udder fodder, obviously they can't do anything to higher guys

Willpower-based verse and its interaction with posession, once again

This doesn't seem related, since we're talking about CW, which is not Earth.

Also, you keep talking about Creators coming, but how would they?
They don't have the range for that

And even if they would, what will they realistically be doing?

 

[Eseseso]

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Also upon looking at Hatou's profile, I think Scarlet Witch should be above her in 9-B.

Has Acausality 1 and resistance to history erasure, plus Wanda's probability-manipulating hax (which is layered btw, as is her resistance to probability hax) is downright absurd when there's no PIS. You know Domino's passive luck? Wanda is that on steroids, her ability to alter probability is literally considered "high-level" to Domino's "low-level", and Wanda can just alter probability to not only make everything Hatou does miss, but can make nearly-impossible things happen, like Hatou and any clone of hers in Wanda's vicinity randomly combust, miss every attack, get knocked out by tripping on a banana peel, etc.

Like, Hatou's probability hax is impressive, but Wanda's hax is literally choosing the probabilities that best fit her. She can literally fold up possibilities from past, present, and future and store them in another dimension. Honestly makes the fight fitting, so a nice coincidence. Plus it doesn't seem like Hatou has any real wincons.

Klein is about to get High 1-A+ smurf hax from what I hear so I won't bother putting him up against Wanda until that thread ends and I see how it affects Klein's hax.

Storm can be removed from 9-B even though SW should be above Hatou

 

[DontTalkDT]

Also upon looking at Hatou's profile, I think Scarlet Witch should be above her in 9-B.

Has Acausality 1 and resistance to history erasure, plus Wanda's probability-manipulating hax (which is layered btw, as is her resistance to probability hax) is downright absurd when there's no PIS. You know Domino's passive luck? Wanda is that on steroids, her ability to alter probability is literally considered "high-level" to Domino's "low-level", and Wanda can just alter probability to not only make everything Hatou does miss, but can make nearly-impossible things happen, like Hatou and any clone of hers in Wanda's vicinity randomly combust, miss every attack, get knocked out by tripping on a banana peel, etc.

Like, Hatou's probability hax is impressive, but Wanda's hax is literally choosing the probabilities that best fit her. She can literally fold up possibilities from past, present, and future and store them in another dimension. Honestly makes the fight fitting, so a nice coincidence. Plus it doesn't seem like Hatou has any real wincons.

Klein is about to get High 1-A+ smurf hax from what I hear so I won't bother putting him up against Wanda until that thread ends and I see how it affects Klein's hax.

None of that addresses the points I already gave you on the matter.
Wanda's powers don't have time to go off, because Hatou takes action via one of her infinite selves already having done things in the past. Anything Hatou does is done before Wanda has time to even realize what she is fighting.
And Hatou does not kill Wanda via time paradox, but by making use of nigh-infinite prep time as the totality of Marvel humanity.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The question is what is the humanity of Murasakiiro no Qualia capable of? Marvel doesn't count, Hatou frankly probably pisses off God Emperor Doctor Doom or something and gets her ass nuked from everywhere.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

The question is what is the humanity of Murasakiiro no Qualia capable of? Marvel doesn't count, Hatou frankly probably pisses off God Emperor Doctor Doom or something and gets her ass nuked from everywhere.

not really. The dominions have the same thing in marvel and they are unkillable . Type 3 temporal acausality op in marvel.

 

[DaReaperMan]

not really. The dominions have the same thing in marvel and they are unkillable . Type 3 temporal acausality op in marvel.

I'm not seeing Outerversal range on this profile. So yes indeedy, anyone with range capable of doing so can indeed nuke her if they piss her off. Like the famously twitchy Doctor Doom.

 

[Eseseso]

None of that addresses the points I already gave you on the matter.
Wanda's powers don't have time to go off, because Hatou takes action via one of her infinite selves already having done things in the past. Anything Hatou does is done before Wanda has time to even realize what she is fighting.
And Hatou does not kill Wanda via time paradox, but by making use of nigh-infinite prep time as the totality of Marvel humanity.

Some of that seems like NLF, plus Wanda literally passively alters probability (it's literally Domino's power but on steroids), and the stuff about using things from the past doesn't work because Wanda's past can't be altered.

 

[Mbpoops]

Really? Are High 1-C scrubs that weak?

they legitimately just cant reach her

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I don't see the 'can't be taken away part on her profile'.

Also, I can't imagine her devouring Captain would be a wincon in their favor.

She's not necessarily devouring Captain. But she can impose those stealing death even if the person hasn't died, and while afflicted, she can choose what to do with them
The miasma can also cause this and such. and sometimes she devours those afflicted to further recover energy etc

They can't be taken away in the sense that if someone attempts to take them or possess them. They too will be afflicted by whatever it is and will be under Celeste's control, and at that point, she has free rein to selectively either erase them or send them to heaven.

Anyway, if possession really doesn't work, they can also absorb Captain and their Essence, which would translate to their ability to control their power.

They also have Resistance to Resistance Negation, and Resistance to things that Negate Resistance Negation.

Then how strongly do they resist elemental attacks? Is it enough to overcome the massive AP difference, as all of Captain's arsenal and summons are capable of doing this? Not to mention, Tiamat wind can also perform EE as stated in her weapon

Elemental resistance penetration in the game has 2 mechanism. Innate resistance and afflictable resistance. Resistance negation that works on afflictable resistance does not necessarily affect innate resistance. but penetration can ignore both

Oh, corrosion, I thought you said putrification.

Anyway, they can outregen Corrosion Inducement, and what they're made of can't really be corroded in the first place.

Captain can prevent healing and regeneration and can negate it

Yeah, demons are weird like that; they're not solids, liquids, or gases, and also aren't organic or alive.

So blocking and preventing them from hitting is the only way. Else, Captain would eventually trigger willpower miracles that might get attention
Though Granblue can perform a paradox, it will often result in a catastrophic event. such as stealing death from someone who represents death, etc or rebirthing something that does not have the concept of rebirth. But I'd assume that's not really a wincon at this point.

Best point i can argue is that
Captain can deal with it at unequal speed since this is just the Carapace Demon Swarm, which i assume is 6-A and not including any of the demon colossi that have near equivalent speed

 

[Eseseso]

Some of that seems like NLF, plus Wanda literally passively alters probability (it's literally Domino's power but on steroids), and the stuff about using things from the past doesn't work because Wanda's past can't be altered.

Yeah, ironically Scarlet Witch is like the worst matchup for Hatou since her power is a hard counter for Hatou's own probability hax.

When she and Domino were up against a probability altering Celestial drone, which literally caused anyone near it to die by causing them to suffer a lethal probability (which was only amplified with its core and its weapons), Wanda's own probability hax protected her and countered it. She could've even entered the core, which has a layered version of its outside death-inducing probability hax, but she was afraid that her own field would've interacted with it too much and caused a universe-busting chain reaction.

Also, as I said before, Hatou has...no real way of putting Wanda down, especially with her regen, immortality types 3+4, acausality 1, and resistances.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Here's an example here The town consists primarily of monsters, including undead stuff

Monsters by themselves are also not really organic ig? They're made of Magicules (Hence why they have resistance to magicule abilities). And Magicules aren't organic

And that's alao a reason why Luminous would slam demons. Cuz Holy stuff

Oh, and in Veldora's Cave (and when later only Rimuru was left there) lower monsters didn't dare to approach, cuz they would simply die

Well, either way, since the Swarm is planetary in scale, killing them all off that way isn't possible; they'll just breed and eat one another.

Cuz outdated stuff. But you can see possession on SLF page.
And there are SLFs that are udder fodder, obviously they can't do anything to higher guys

Willpower-based verse and its interaction with posession, once again

If it's not an accepted resistance, you can't use it.

Besides, everyone in the verse has Supernatural Willpower, capable of Time, Matter, Energy, Fate & Causality Manipulation on a Tier beyond Tensura, but they can still get possessed, so it doesn't really change anything.

Also, you keep talking about Creators coming, but how would they? They don't have the range for that

And even if they would, what will they realistically be doing?

All Demons are their Avatars, so they would just take over the Demon, elevate its power to their level, and then eat the CW.

She's not necessarily devouring Captain. But she can impose those stealing death even if the person hasn't died, and while afflicted, she can choose what to do with them
The miasma can also cause this and such. and sometimes she devours those afflicted to further recover energy etc

They can't be taken away in the sense that if someone attempts to take them or possess them. They too will be afflicted by whatever it is and will be under Celeste's control, and at that point, she has free rein to selectively either erase them or send them to heaven.

Okay then, I'll rule out possession then.

Then how strongly do they resist elemental attacks? Is it enough to overcome the massive AP difference, as all of Captain's arsenal and summons are capable of doing this? Not to mention, Tiamat wind can also perform EE as stated in her weapon

Elemental resistance penetration in the game has 2 mechanism. Innate resistance and afflictable resistance. Resistance negation that works on afflictable resistance does not necessarily affect innate resistance. but penetration can ignore both

Smurfed High 1-A Resistances.

Captain can prevent healing and regeneration and can negate it

That would work, though remember there are billions in a swarm, enough to cover a planet, so he might run out of Stamina before he can negate the regen of every single one, especially if they're breeding.

So blocking and preventing them from hitting is the only way. Else, Captain would eventually trigger willpower miracles that might get attention
Though Granblue can perform a paradox, it will often result in a catastrophic event. such as stealing death from someone who represents death, etc or rebirthing something that does not have the concept of rebirth. But I'd assume that's not really a wincon at this point.

Best point i can argue is that
Captain can deal with it at unequal speed since this is just the Carapace Demon Swarm, which i assume is 6-A and not including any of the demon colossi that have near equivalent speed

So, a Demon Swarm for Equal, and Captain for Unequal?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Well, either way, since the Swarm is planetary in scale, killing them all off that way isn't possible; they'll just breed and eat one another.

Are we going off this taking place in CW?

If it's not an accepted resistance, you can't use it.

Well, I can technically make a CRT for Ultimate Skill users even now, since they resist lower skills and there's a skill "Possess"

But idk if I should, since another person already plans to make it a part of a bigger CRT

All Demons are their Avatars, so they would just take over the Demon, elevate its power to their level, and then eat the CW.

The Demons are beyond their range, how would they? Additionally, what do they even have when they're outside of their universe?

And with all those extraterrestrial movements, we might involve Tensura top tiers as well

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Are we going off this taking place in CW?

Since it's the only way this battle can take place, apparently, sure.

Well, I can technically make a CRT for Ultimate Skill users even now, since they resist lower skills and there's a skill "Possess"

But idk if I should, since another person already plans to make it a part of a bigger CRT

Your choice, but until it's done, we still need to sort this out.

The Demons are beyond their range, how would they? Additionally, what do they even have when they're outside of their universe?

And with all those extraterrestrial movements, we might involve Tensura top tiers as well

It's not outside their range; it's stated on the profile that their Territory includes the Multiverse, which is High 1-A in size. They're a Hive Mind Civilization, not individuals.

Anyway, if the Creators do show up, I'm confident nothing in Tensura could stop them. So I think that's gg.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Since it's the only way this battle can take place, apparently, sure.

Then the "planetary swarm" gets immediately taken out, because it's not like the Arbiters will watch them get on the planet. If it was a local battle, then sure, but since you claim planetary influence

Your choice, but until it's done, we still need to sort this out.

Passives, purification, nuking

That sorta atuff

It's not outside their range; it's stated on the profile that their Territory includes the Multiverse, which is High 1-A in size. They're a Hive Mind Civilization, not individuals.

Then why does the profile say they have L1C range?

Anyway, if the Creators do show up, I'm confident nothing in Tensura could stop them. So I think that's gg.

As per the page, it seems that their Aca5 stuff doesn't apply outside their place of residence
And other than that, I don't see much impressive stuff

There's also a real chance that the bond of avatars will get cut or they get taken out before Creators intervene (both are infinite, when demons are not). Which is a loss even if Creators eat stuff after


Btw, since we settled on CW, you should tell me individual characteristics of the Carapace Swarm specifically
There's a chance they'll just get slimed by the world itself

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

And other than that, I don't see much impressive stuff

Evil Creators have Steel Strength, which grants these:

Resistances​

• All Forces & Paths (The Power of Life is Steel Strength, and so is the power of blood, which is capable of rejecting other powers)

Which means resistance to every single power here except for the three aspects of the Transcendence and above Path Unification physiology

Paths (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

Supernatural Willpower, Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Causality Manipulation & Fate Manipulation (Wisdom and will are capable of driving power—nurturing Spiritual Essence, circulating spiritual energy, and refining one’s soul. The spiritual power that can change...

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Forces (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Your choice, but until it's done, we still need to sort this out.

I will hopefully have it out today or tomorrow, so we can get this done relatively quickly if you are willing t to come early.

Either way, Anything related to trying to destroy the Cardinal world must actually deal with its top tiers, such as VoTW and Veldanava.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Then why does the profile say they have L1C range?

Because High 1-A Range via Avatar Creation makes no sense.

They can't create Avatars that far away; they're just connected to them.

As per the page, it seems that their Aca5 stuff doesn't apply outside their place of residence. And other than that, I don't see much impressive stuff

There's also a real chance that the bond of avatars will get cut or they get taken out before Creators intervene (both are infinite, when demons are not). Which is a loss even if Creators eat stuff after

Btw, since we settled on CW, you should tell me individual characteristics of the Carapace Swarm specifically. There's a chance they'll just get slimed by the world itself

Creators are High 1-A Smurfs, and Demons gain High-Godly the moment they take intrest, so they're not getting wiped out either.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Evil Creators have Steel Strength, which grants these:

Resistances​

• All Forces & Paths (The Power of Life is Steel Strength, and so is the power of blood, which is capable of rejecting other powers)

Which means resistance to every single power here except for the three aspects of the Transcendence and above Path Unification physiology

Paths (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

Supernatural Willpower, Energy Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Causality Manipulation & Fate Manipulation (Wisdom and will are capable of driving power—nurturing Spiritual Essence, circulating spiritual energy, and refining one’s soul. The spiritual power that can change...

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Forces (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

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Can you actually remake the tabbers?

Because as of now, it looks like the resistance part applies only to Combat Aura stuff, which on its own looks like a subsection which they aren't stated to posess abilities of

Which makes it weird when you claim stuff

Because High 1-A Range via Avatar Creation makes no sense.

You can probably still index that

Since that means that they can reach from one place to another with Avatars

Which is range, just unconventional

Creators are High 1-A Smurfs, and Demons gain High-Godly the moment they take intrest, so they're not getting wiped out either.

What's the method of connection? Can possibly be cut
Do they retain the ability to access a plane after the avatars there were killed, if they didn't arrive beforehand?


(Can someone remind me why is it assumed they'll take interest in another world their creations decided to eat?)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Can you actually remake the tabbers?

He was mistaken; they only have Steel Authority, not Steel Strength.

You can probably still index that

Since that means that they can reach from one place to another with Avatars

Which is range, just unconventional

Fair enough.

What's the method of connection? Can possibly be cut
Do they retain the ability to access a plane after the avatars there were killed, if they didn't arrive beforehand?

You would have to kill their Avatars, which isn't really possible since their True Spirits are Indestructible via a High 1-A+ Law, and they have High-Godly from sed True Spirit.

(Can someone remind me why is it assumed they'll take interest in another world their creations decided to eat?)

Their only goal is the information about unique worlds and beings, which would make CW a prime feast.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Because as of now, it looks like the resistance part applies only to Combat Aura stuff, which on its own looks like a subsection which they aren't stated to posess abilities of

No, there literally exist on base Steel Strength

Steel Strength Resistances​

• All Forces & Paths (The Power of Life is Steel Strength, and so is the power of blood, which is capable of rejecting other powers)

This is for Combat Aura resistance

• All Forces & All Paths (Combat Aura is an egocentric force that repels everything not inherently part of its user—even to the extent of rejecting external magic

Recheck again

 

[AlexSamDen]

No, there literally exist on base Steel Strength

Steel Strength Resistances​

• All Forces & Paths (The Power of Life is Steel Strength, and so is the power of blood, which is capable of rejecting other powers)

This is for Combat Aura resistance

• All Forces & All Paths (Combat Aura is an egocentric force that repels everything not inherently part of its user—even to the extent of rejecting external magic

Recheck again

But theirs is Steel Authority
Which is a separate tabber with no resistance listed

As Spaceman confirmed himself above

He was mistaken; they only have Steel Authority, not Steel Strength.

Which means that I can see a fight happening, since while they're smurfs, the hax they resist are limited (compared to the entirety of Tensura, as some guys will intervene) and they can't permanently kill some higher tiers, cuz too large

You would have to kill their Avatars, which isn't really possible since their True Spirits are Indestructible via a High 1-A+ Law, and they have High-Godly from sed True Spirit.

Hmm, would BFR suffice?

Their only goal is the information about unique worlds and beings, which would make CW a prime feast.

Fair enough

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

But theirs is Steel Authority
Which is a separate tabber with no resistance listed

As Spaceman confirmed himself above

I was mistaken, Steel Authority doesn't inherit Steel Strenght resitance somehow lol