That's still way better than what Lille is at right now in that form. It's always been weird seeing Lille in his 3rd Volstandig not being tier 4 when Askin is even though he should be weaker than Lille based on how the narrative treats the two of them. Though I was originally thinking more so scaling him to Chrysalis Aizen which seems to be where the base transcendence scaling began.
a transcended lille shoud scale to ts ichigo
him scaling to aizen doesn't make sense, that's like scaling shikai yama to aizen because ukitake said yama's flames are transcedent.
haha
Lille's 3rd Volstandig never had any scaling outside of being ridiculously powerful than his previous forms. And even before this Q&A with how often they said he had the power of god which was something only the transcendents like Aizen was said to have in the Unmasked guidebook it always felt to me that Lille in his final form was far above all his previous forms and should've scaled much higher than wherever he's currently at. And I'm pretty sure Chrysalis Aizen was also the one that was stated to be beyond Shinigami limits which seems to be the beginning of transcendence where they transcend one race (Shinigami/Qunicy). Hence why I said I initially assumed he could be scaled to around 2nd Fusion Aizen's level in his 3rd Volstandig.
Kira's fighting form doesn't just have haxes like abstraction. I don't think Nanao sealing his power gives him an AP-dura reduction.
Even if Urahara were interpreted as a 4-A, Askin wouldn't be. Askin fought a Urahara weakened by poison. Besides that, he has counter-feats like taking damage from Grimmjow. According to Part 4 spoilers, Askin was pierced by Grimmjow despite using Blut Venn.
Bruh wtf are you even talking about. Lille straight up says he lost his powers which is clear indication that he got weakened.
again whatever applies to barro applies to yama and yama doesn't scale to aizen so barro shouldn't either. being called a god or being called transcendent once doesn't compare to the literal narrative and consistent backing aizen has.
I agree with this logic, he should scale above any sternrriterr that isn't pernida, gerard, jugram, uryu and gremmy.
Dude Yamamoto's so called transcendent statement clearly isn't talking about him transcending the limits of a race like Aizen. Stop pulling at straws with Yamamoto when he clearly doesn't have any evidence of being transcendent. It's just referring to his power being otherworldly aka really strong.
The term "power" can also be used to mean ability. It doesn't necessarily have to refer to AP. It's been a while since I read the manga, but it's probably referring to him losing his ability. He can no longer abstract himself, you know. Unless he faces an opponent who can surpass his abstract nature, no one can kill him, and indirectly, he doesn't lose those powers.
Just his journey since he joined to now. Nothing about powers.
Yeah and your reasoning for this is too poor to hold any weight, but you do you though. I am not gonna keep arguing and telling you that
"it had started to change his body into something more than human" this is enough
Too poor for what? For simply saying 3rd Volstandig Lille is very likely transcendent based on the info we’re given and should at least be stronger than normal quincies like Askin?
I thought the spoilers say the opposite? That Grimmjow hurt him specifically when Blut Vene wasn’t active.
Good luck
and i literally agreed to that, i am only telling you that trying to put lille in chrysallis aizen level conversations because of that argument is not valid argument.
For the love of God, stop posting spoilers so casually, there are people who haven't seen the movie. post your pictures with a spoiler cover.
what? are you using your bankai : bad faith?
There was nothing in the manga about the use of Blut Venn. Therefore, I would have argued for scaling to 1/5 the durability of the Final Form Askin. Now that Blut Venn is used, it would scale to full durability. I learned this from spoilers posted here, and it seems the above argument is correct...
Dude I literally never said I’m trying to put Lille at Chrysallis Aizen level here. I said I originally assumed he would be at that level because narratively they both seem to be those who have transcended past their respective races. Here yeah that probably isn’t enough evidence to scale them to each other.
He fought Bankai Urahara in the manga which is about to be adapted in the anime. And scaling wiseWhen did Askin start scaling to tier 4????
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That is literally based on nothing tbh, reading that Kubo's quote and scale Lille to True Shikai Ichigo is a massive reach; Ichigo, Aizen and others are directly compared to the Soul King.
That's weird. Aizen is a lot stronger than Urahara.
Are you asking why Grimmjow can't be in 4-A?
Wouldn’t that scale back to the Espada since CFYOW Grimmjow is 3rd Espada level apparently.
Espadas aren't normally that weak compared to elites. This wiki suggests there's a significant power clift between them because Byakuya's feats against Yammy aren't considered outliers. The fact that Shunsui's power hasn't increased proves in itself that there isn't an exaggerated difference between Lille Barro and Starrk.
I have always found this idea silly, the source of shinigami offense entailing both kido and zanpakuto comes from the same source they aren't seperate, what makes one kido more powerful than another is the level of reiyorku used. Urahara can utilize the same level of energy in his zanpakuto that he can use in his kido attacks. if his kido potency is on aizen level then the rest of his combat abilities should be the same.
what is the point of kido if apparently your sword swing is just as strong lmao
Then why do everyone have different scores for Kido, Hakuda, and Zanpakuto? Just because the two powers come from the same source doesn't mean they're comparable.
This is like saying what is the point of magic if you have a sword lmao, kido have different utilities that zanpakuto can't achieve and EVERYTIME urahara uses kido it's because of the special property of that kido not because his kido is millions of times stronger than his zanpakuto lol. the very notion of that argument makes no sense whatsoever to the power system of the verse and even common sense.
They have different scores and it has nothing to do with potency but rather their affinity and mastery over it. some shinigamis are profecient in one art while not as good as the other. this is not an argument.
if this point is referring to aura then i suggest you read the book again, because the nature of aura fullbringer abilities makes her excel in one category of fullbring art which is reishi manipulation and her profieciency in sword play is non existent that is why urahara compares her to the hakuda and kido potency to that of aizen because... unlike aizen, aura doesn't wield a sword so she can't be fully compared to aizen.
when did shinji attack gerard with his zanpakuto? show me the scene i will wait and hiyori attacked gerard with her zanpakuto and hurt him does that mean hiyori shikai is superior to shinji's??
Literally stated to be a kido expert and doesn't excel in sword fights, so what did you expect her to do?
She also destroyed his head with her shikai which KILLED him, so you just shot your self in the foot with that argument
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