Dimensional Wall Low 1-C upgrade

[Mgebrat282]

In this thread I would explain why Dimensional wall in Dragon Ball would qualify for Low 1-C

Dimensional Wall in Dragon Ball

Dimensional Wall exist as a barrier between the living universe and alternate dimensions of the Living World, containing them in it so they won't interact with each other. Those alternate dimensions are big enough to crush the universe in mortal world.
Dimensional Wall isn't just "a wall" between this dimensions, but a space too, big enough to crush the universe of mortal world by its own, suggesting that it functions as a realm or space of its own rather than being a mere void.
It's backed up the fact that inside the dimensional wall exist a Dimension of strange swirling lights(it's stated to exist WITHIN it). This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall), it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional, which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.
In order for Dimensional Wall to contain these 4-dimensional universes—which are parallel to each other and do not interact regardless of expansion—it would require displacement along a higher-dimensional axis, namely an additional spatial dimension beyond the standard three. This would ensure that no matter how far these dimensions extend, they would never intersect or overlap(not including moments where Dimensional Wall was almost destroyed of course). It's futhermore proved by direct statements about additional spatial axis
Based on tiering logic, this would place Dimensional Wall at 5-dimensional (5D). However, it would not qualify as Low 1-C, as that would require proof that this higher spatial axis has significant extent. That said, there may be alternative arguments that could establish such significance and potentially justify a Low 1-C tier
Note:In Daizenshu Mortal World descibed not only as mortal universe, but as also other dimension since mortal universe is just a part of it.

Time Axis of Dimensional Wall

In the anime and manga, Buu makes a hole in the Dimensional Wall, and after a short amount of time, it repairs itself. However, there's a catch: the Dimensional Wall closes at the same time in both the universe and ROSaT(even humans could get out of the temple and see it close in Mortal universe the same way as characters in ROSaT) (which is shown twice), but time flows differently in each realm. In the universe, a day passes, while in ROSaT, a year passes. If this were the case with the Dimensional Wall, the hole would have closed earlier in the universe and remained visible in ROSaT. This suggests that the Dimensional Wall possesses its own temporal framework. Consequently, DImensional Wall must have an independent time axis, separate from and not governed by the temporal flow of mortal universe and parallel dimensions in Mortal World/realm.
This independent axis would generate an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of this 5D space, making it significant enough to qualify as Low 1-C. Consequently, the entirety of Dimensional Wall would scale to Low 1-C.
To summarize, Dimensional Wall is a realm that contains and separates multiple separated space-times, which establishes it as 5D. Additionally, it has its own independent time axis, resulting in an uncountably infinite set of 5D snapshots. This combination is sufficient to classify Dimensional Wall as Low 1-C.

Effect on cosmology

It would add additional dimensionality to already 5D Neutral Zone, as Dimensional Wall exist in macrocosmoses, that exist in Neutral Zone, which would make +1D to cosmology in all.

Scaling

It would make characters who scale to Buuhan's Vice Shoutr Low-1C

It would make characters from DBH and Xenoverse 8-D via upscaled cosmology

Vote:

Agree:

Neutral: @Ultimuru

Disagree: @StarShooter80

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

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[Hasty12345]

My God

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[Robo432343]

this seems fairly straightforward

 

[Hecky2222]

Agree with DR

 

[Ultimuru]

That makes me wonder how Vegito even knew about existence of alternate dimensions. Bulma was tutoring Vegeta about universe during timeskip?

Anyway, put me on neutral.

 

[StarShooter80]

We already had a CRT on this half a month ago made by you, why reopen a discussion when 3-4 months haven't passed yet?

Dimensional wall upgrade

In this thread I would explain why Dimensional wall in Dragon Ball would qualify for Low 1-C but first let me explain to you what does parallelism means Parallelism To properly discuss the Dimensional Wall, we first need to clarify what parallelism entails in a dimensional context. In...

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In-fact, most of this thread is a copy paste of the previous one

• Red: Additional stuff not from the previous thread.
• Green: Reheated nachos.

All of it except just this segment you added:

It's backed up the fact that inside the dimensional wall exist a Dimension of strange swirling lights(it's stated to exist WITHIN it). This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall), it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional, which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

Which, God sake lets just start.

This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall),

Provide a translation, but we already count it as being a separate space-time anyways.

it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional

The extradimensional scan is from dokkan so this doesn't even apply to the canon cosmology, and the Japanese raws of that should be checked, and as for the second one superdimensional has no real meaning (you also don't add a translation alongside that).

which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

The article you're talking about is just a physicist giving their thoughts on how the world works, not anyone who has actually worked on the series.

Also your segment on the dimension of swirling lights is just reheated arguments and scans from a past thread of yours, with nothing new added on except for the small bit on the interview which we've already deduced as having zero reliability/authority on the series. Disagree and this thread should be locked for reopening a topic that hasn't passed the 3-4 month wait.

 

[Mgebrat282]

That makes me wonder how Vegito even knew about existence of alternate dimensions. Bulma was tutoring Vegeta about universe during timeskip?

I always thought it was Kami who told Goku about this stuff

Anyway, put me on neutral.

Done

 

[Mgebrat282]

The extradimensional scan is from dokkan so this doesn't even apply to the canon cosmology, and the Japanese raws of that should be checked, and as for the second one superdimensional has no real meaning (you also don't add a translation alongside that).

Dokkan can be applied to anime and manga as everything in DB shares the same worldview and practically everything official is canon(which was accepted), even by Toriyama, who says to get wild for Toyotaro and other people in Toritoyo interview

The article you're talking about is just a physicist giving their thoughts on how the world works, not anyone who has actually worked on the series.

"Ask the experts" in official site is a way to explain how things work in DB verse from the site. We can know it from how site says it's a "Must read for Dragon ball fans and how they dig deep into topics", by the fact they ask "Dragon Ball fans and professionals" and "well-versed in Dragon Ball lore." for "analyzing from scientific perspective", "shed some light" and explain "what kind of world is it", how they "tying everything back to Dragon Ball and those iconic scenes!", etc. Including the fact practically everything official is canon and those articals mean something on the official site, we can see they can be used for canon

 

[StarShooter80]

Dokkan can be applied to anime and manga as everything in DB shares the same worldview and practically everything official is canon(which was accepted), even by Toriyama, who says to get wild for Toyotaro and other people in Toritoyo interview

If you actually took your time to read the thread where this was applied games were entirely excluded, there's a reason we have another cosmology page for it entirely.

"Ask the experts" in official site is a way to explain how things work in DB verse from the site. We can know it from how site says it's a "Must read for Dragon ball fans and how they dig deep into topics", by the fact they ask "Dragon Ball fans and professionals" and "well-versed in Dragon Ball lore." for "analyzing from scientific perspective", "shed some light" and explain "what kind of world is it", how they "tying everything back to Dragon Ball and those iconic scenes!", etc. Including the fact practically everything official is canon and those articals mean something on the official site, we can see they can be used for canon

Just because it was official published that it can be used? What kind of logic is that? By that logic literally everything licensed in DBZ can apply to whatever canon, which of course doesn't work at all. I'm also well versed in Dragon Ball lore, that doesn't make me anymore credible than someone who isn't, same goes for that professor. They only ever refer to them as experts in certain fields and literally just "fans", giving their own theories on certain stuff, they hold no authority over the series at all.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

I'd like to mention that these scans aren't even talking about Dragon Ball world, but about the possibility of the Room of Time existing irl and how could it exist from the perspective of a scientific. Just take a look at the questions:

Is a warp like that something that could be created in the real-world?

Ohta: If there is a world above the three dimensions we live in, then warping is theoretically possible

-So if this research continues to make progress, we might be able to utilize warping in the real world at some point, and maybe there will be a day where there could really be a Room of Spirit and Time! I also wanted to ask you about how the Room of Spirit and Time has ten times the strength of Earth's gravity.

Or, hell, just take a look at the introduction of the article itself

So, even if the content was official and made by someone well-versed in DB lore, it doesn't matter because it isn't even talking about what OP is implying (i.e., Dimensional Wall), but about the possibility of a structure from the world of Dragon Ball existing in our real life world.

Tbh I don't know why you keep using these scans when I already told you in the general discussion thread this; but given you ignored that and added them to the crt anyway, I'll point it out here too.

 

[Qawsedf234]

In order for Dimensional Wall to contain these 4-dimensional universes—which are parallel to each other and do not interact regardless of expansion—it would require displacement along a higher-dimensional axis, namely an additional spatial dimension beyond the standard three. This would ensure that no matter how far these dimensions extend, they would never intersect or overlap(not including moments where Dimensional Wall was almost destroyed of course). It's futhermore proved by direct statements about additional spatial axis

To reiterate from last time, the Wall just needs to be 3D with a 4D axis to contain them. The temporal element is only added at the end, which is why it's +1. It being 3D.2 would let it hold an infinite number of 3D spaces, then when you add a time axis it becomes 3D.2+1 or 4D.2~ which would still let it hold an infinite number of 4D space times.

You would have to show that the entirety of the space-time is embedded within the realm physically, like with the Neutral Zone, where they're spheres containing the Macrocosmos existing within the same void space.

Your assumption is just going too far. You're thinking it must work like this:

• Universes: 3D
• Space-Time: 3D+1 or 4D
• Entire Space-Time is physically embedded: 4D
• Time dimension is added: 4D+1

In reality, it's this:

• Universes: 3D
• Dimensional Wall: 3D.2
• Space-Time: 3D+1
• Dimensional Wall Space-Time: 3D.2+1

A 2-A space contains a literal infinite number of Low 2-C spaces, but it's still not 5D because you don't need to be 4D to hold those universes unless the entire space-time itself is embedded within it as a physical quantity.

Even then, you've shown no evidence of why this would impact scaling in any capacity. The current Hyper-Timelines of Dragon Ball already account for a 4D+1 space with the Neutral Zone. The area you're talking about would at best, just be another 4D+1 space, which doesn't affect the 4D+2 Timeline scaling. Why? Because the Dimension of Swirling Lights isn't a transinfinite number. Even if they worked as you implied, that just means the Neutral Space is the 2-C version of Low 1-C, which isn't an upgrade for any single character.

Q: Why is Tier 2 split for individual structures and not Tier 1?​

A: For most of fiction, Tier 2 is the common endpoint or largest cosmological structure. Due to the volume of profiles that have this be the endpoint, splitting the 4D Cosmological structures was considered a better way to index profiles. With that said, almost all higher tiers follow the exact same standards as the Tier 2 ratings. To illustrate: if a character destroys three universes, they'd be rated at 2-C, while a character that has destroyed an infinite amount would be rated as 2-A. For Low 1-C all instances are put together, but there is still a power gap between them; so a character who's destroyed an infinite amount of fifth-dimensional universes would be superior to a character who's destroyed a singular fifth-dimensional space for the same reason why a 2-A character is superior to a Low 2-C character.

For this to work, you'd have to show that the Swirling Lights is spatio-temporally embedded within the Neutral Zone (which isn't possible).

isagree and this thread should be locked for reopening a topic that hasn't passed the 3-4 month wait.

That only applies if a thread is officially rejected. The last thread only had one disagreeing vote from a mod.