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It does presumably absolutely nothing except exploding because the Mikes aren't there.
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Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread
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Eden_Warlock99
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I mean that's one way to interpret it. I feel the fact the "RESET" thing appears even when it's not at all related to resetting the scores implies otherwise.
Ti58
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that feat is a joke. RESET is meant to for the scores, yet they do not show up here. RESET doesn't even exist in Deltarune, plus nothing actually even gets RESET.
Eden_Warlock99
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I know it's a gag, but like Pink refers to it as her "ultimate weapon" (Despite not knowing what it is?) and it's well, a bomb, don't you feel like, ya know?
Like it's nothing concrete (Hence why it's a possibly) but I feel there's enough room for interpretation there.
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It's just a joke like this. That's what the MichaelBomb does
Ti58
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It's still 7-B like Pink but I like RESET just isn't a thing in Deltarune like it was in Undertale plus it changes nothing. You can even check the table and it says you have done the interaction that triggers this.
Eden_Warlock99
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Should I just change the justification to it being Pink's ultimate weapon or smth?
Ti58
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yeah i think so. also wouldn't this need to be on Mike's page as well? they also have the bomb.
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Soo it not a joke because every chapter must share information somehow.
Ghengiroo115
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Shouldn’t Pink and her UT counterpart have navboxes to link to each other’s profiles?
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So guys what do you think about flowery's song confirming asgore is teen feet twenty
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Sounds like a confirmed height for one character which can be useful for rescaling the heights of various characters, but it could refer to either Asgore or Flowery being 10'20" (11'8"). Based on Chapter 4's prophecy panels, however, it could be Flowery since it manages to accurately describe Queen and Tenna who are main antagonists of chapters 2 and 3 respectively, and that Flowery is the main antagonist of Chapter 5.
How many pixels tall is Asgore and Flowery, out of curiosity?
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I have calced it, even if I assume asgore as 10ft, and scale from the lower part of his feet to the top of his horns, Kris would be 1.82m
So I'd only assume 10ft for asgore
Also, even thought the song varies from well referring to asgore and flowery as the "flower Man", at times it says "how could I make him laugh" clearly the "I" would be flowery, he tries to make asgore laugh like the first half of the chapter, the song refers to the flower Man in 3rd person so as flowery is the one probably singing it, then so the flower Man is asgore
Plus it's more consistent the 10ft for asgore than flowery
(Flowery is 2.41m if Kris is 1.66m, making him about 85% of asgore height)
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Aren't they visually the same height? Why not apply to both?
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I got something that might be somewhat relevant to this topic about 10'20" thing. But I heard that the Japanese lyrics uses an archaic japanese word for the 10'20" portion that's specifically used to describe distance than height.
... But I will admit I have no idea if this is true, or if this is bullcrud, so take this with a grain of salt... Or y'know, ask somebody in the translation thread for clarification.
... But I will admit I have no idea if this is true, or if this is bullcrud, so take this with a grain of salt... Or y'know, ask somebody in the translation thread for clarification.
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Pink is still invincible in her final phase despite being badly damaged and both her body and ghost being separate. She also weirdly doesn’t show the head-popping animation, though I imagine that’s just graphical limitations due to her unique sprite at that point and doesn’t actually mean anything.
I wonder what it looks like if you attack her during phase 3, and also if/how she says the “this body is invincible” line from phase 1.
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Ti58
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An average dude is 5 feet 10, Flowery says Asgore is 10 feet 20 to say he's really tall. No one really measures stuff like that.
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To be honest, I interpret this phrase, “Ten Feet Twenty The Flower Man,” as follows:
The Flower Man: I’m inclined to think this refers to Asgore
Ten Feet: Asgore’s official height
Twenty: I interpret this as the number of years the flowers have known Asgore; they were supposedly the bouquet for Toriel at her wedding, but Asgore has kept them alive until now.
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Seems like she doesn't say the "this body is invincible!' line past the 1st (maybe 2nd?) phase, even if you first attack her in the 3rd phase.
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Interesting. It still has the head-popping animation though, which supports my assumption that the lack of it at the end is just due to the seriousness of the scene (either because it’s some form of Toon Force that wouldn’t fit the moment, or just because she lacks a sprite that makes sense in that situation).Seems like she doesn't say the "this body is invincible!' line past the 1st (maybe 2nd?) phase, even if you first attack her in the 3rd phase.
It does make me wonder if Darkner Pink’s invulnerability is still due to Lightner Pink’s incorporeality like in UT, or due to the Darkner’s own physical traits given she’s an actual being in the Dark World unlike Maddie’s UT body. Or potentially it’s kind of both, where Darkner Pink’s parts are “invincible” but need Lightner Pink to stay together.
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Pretty sure in japanese its more clear, he says teen feet 20 inches. which is kinda consistent with asgore's height in the undertale intro where hes huge compared to a regular human, think this should maybe be used to check the heights for other characters but im not sure
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It obviously shouldn't be taken literally in my opinion because the heights we get for the other characters are kinda weird. I'm okay enough with it as long as we treat Asgore being that tall with his horns.
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I really don't think the 1 feet 20 line should be taken literally. That'd make Kris like, over 6 feet lol
You don't typically take horns into account when getting someone's height, and Asgore being 10 feet from foot to head just makes everyone else super tall.
I think the line is just flowery (heh) language talking about how the flowers are tiny and have to look up at him ("way up high, in the sky, with the sun in his eyes...")
The only valid interpretation I've seen is that Asgore is 10ft from foot to horn, but this ignores typical height conventions AND the "twenty" line
You don't typically take horns into account when getting someone's height, and Asgore being 10 feet from foot to head just makes everyone else super tall.
I think the line is just flowery (heh) language talking about how the flowers are tiny and have to look up at him ("way up high, in the sky, with the sun in his eyes...")
The only valid interpretation I've seen is that Asgore is 10ft from foot to horn, but this ignores typical height conventions AND the "twenty" line
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I think people are really overthinking the "Ten foot twenty" line. For one, 10'20" isn't a real measurement, if that part was literally describing Asgore's height then he'd be 11'8", which seems kind of arbitrary in a song about Flowery and his dreams of helping Asgore.
This is the correct interpretation, I believe. If you look at the surrounding lyrics "Ten feet twenty the Flower Man Is waiting for the touch of his hand", I think this is supposed to evoke the sense that Flowery is striving forward for Asgore's sake, waiting to receive his acknowledgement.
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I think you are correct.
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You sly dog, i almost believed this for a moment.
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In the sun size calc, besides the whole thing of the sun being real or not, was rejected by daleSean (not like he has priority over psychomaster to reject it, but the whole thing goes for a proper CRT/CGM thread with already well investigated arguments, instead of a bunch of people talking it in a blog) using the 372x from it staying the same size in the cliffs to the castle
No page in the wiki says not using it, but it does seems to fit in what would be considered "inconsistent pixel scaling", as it would inflate results, so yeah he's right about it
The other way to calc it by most people opinion is comparing it to the mountains, as unlike the clouds, the never seem to be behind the sun, and even a mountain can be seen in front of the castle (and the mountains background change form the cliffs to the castle), with the castle being straight up shown to be closer to the cliffs than the sun is
I'd use this frame:
Where we see less detailed mountains (less colors) to compare it to the sun, the sun could be much farther than something like 10km from the cliffs, but at most it could be calced this way without several steps of pixel scaling
What y'all think?, tomorrow I could calc it
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Seems fair you should really do it also for those cliffs shouldnt you use american canyons or rocky structures for a measurement
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Does Gang have any feats of superhuman vision?
They have feat of superhuman hearing (hearing exactly what Aqua and Seth were talking about while still being high in the air). But I need feat of specifically superhuman vision
They have feat of superhuman hearing (hearing exactly what Aqua and Seth were talking about while still being high in the air). But I need feat of specifically superhuman vision
Ti58
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In Chapter 5, one of the normal enemies is the Sheary, which appears in the Garden. As its recruit stats are higher than those of a Shinobeetle and both are normal Ch5 enemies, Sheary should also scale to 7-B as one of Shinobeetle's Shurikens is what causes Ralsei to use his fire spell when it almost hits Susie.
The problem is that Sheary also shows up in Chapter 1, so like... What do we do with that? I don't think all of Deltarune is 7-B.
The problem is that Sheary also shows up in Chapter 1, so like... What do we do with that? I don't think all of Deltarune is 7-B.
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Flowery also absorbs 8 recruits and barely gets stronger, which wouldn’t make sense if each recruit was comparable to the Fun Gang.
Part of me’s thinking for Deltarune we should just ignore check/recruit stats when it comes to scaling, and give regular enemies the Goomba treatment.
Eden_Warlock99
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I mean, he still does the same damage after "absorbing" the 6 Flowers too, are the Flowers also nowhere near the Fun Gang too?
Really does just seem to be a game balance thing.
I'd honestly prefer if we just pulled a Giygas with the Titan fight.
Really does just seem to be a game balance thing.
I'd honestly prefer if we just pulled a Giygas with the Titan fight.
Qurbonboev
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No
We don't do scaling based on damage numbers. Intent of this scene is pretty clear: Flowery became stronger from help of other Flowers, and only reason he lost was his hesitation.
Me thinks, intention of that scene is "Flowery absorbs power of all (or most of them) darkners in his DW", not "Flowery absorbs power of literally 8 darkners"
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With Omega Flowery you at least have the implication that Kris has been holding back the whole time + Flowery himself holding back and hesitating somewhat.
Personally I think the Titan scaling might end up a bit outliery depending on what Flower Kingdom’s size ends up being, however narratively I think only the main characters and later antagonists should scale to the Titan and not any lower tier regular enemies.
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Eden_Warlock99
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Narratively speaking, the Flowers being on par with a Titan is still weird, no? Only Flowery screws with Dark World rules to get super duper strong, the other Flowers were just born that strong. Like why are they leagues and beyond stronger than say Neo or GIGA Queen?
Also wouldn't the Orange stuff be diminished if apparently the Fun Gung were already no diffing everything they encountered?
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