Lookism Discussion Thread

[Sigmagoon14]

Based off what? Jinyeong explicitly places Kitae within the same realm as prime Gap and Shingen, and we know James = Kitae, so he should be comparable to them, what currently exist that implies that Gap is superior?

It's easy. Conviction Punch was able to take out Base Kitae, so why can't Path Gap take out Path Kitae? Path is also a form of multiplier with the addition of a unique ability. An Incomplete Path with a nerfed Jinyoung was already on equal footing with Kitae, so there's no way Complete Path Gap is on the same level.

Also, that "domain and realm" statement doesn't indicate their relativity. It just shows they have a Path. If we go by that statement, Mastered Path Jinyoung would be the top tier of the verse, because if we scale Jinyoung by statement even with his Incomplete Path and injured form, he already reached Mastered Path Kitae, James, Gap and Shingen's level.

That's why I don't think we should take that statement as proof of relativity between these characters.

 

[Foriaa]

Conviction Punch was able to take out Base Kitae, so why can't Path Gap take out Path Kitae?

I'm not sure how this follows, Conviction Gap can take out Base Kitae, not Path Kitae, this would mean Conviction Gap > Base Kitae, not Path Gap > Path Kitae, and the domain statement does indicate relativity, seeing as how Jinyeong is directly referring to Kitae's power, calling him a monster. Jinyeong even with Path could barely damage Kitae, and the Kitae he did do any damage to was just base, not Path.

Path Gap ~ Path Shingen ~ Path Kitae/James
Conviction Gap > Conviction Jinyeong > Base Kitae

 

[Sigmagoon14]

I'm not sure how this follows, Conviction Gap can take out Base Kitae, not Path Kitae, this would mean Conviction Gap > Base Kitae, not Path Gap > Path Kitae,

Again path is just another form multiplier to it's base, if base is stronger so how in their Path they are both equals?

and the domain statement does indicate relativity, seeing as how Jinyeong is directly referring to Kitae's power, calling him a monster. Jinyeong even with Path could barely damage Kitae, and the Kitae he did do any damage to was just base, not Path.

You answered your own question. If the "Domain and Realm" statement really showed power level relativity, then why was Jinyoung barely able to damage Path Kitae? Jinyoung is also in the same domain as all 4 of them. He shouldn't even have equal power to Kitae even with his incomplete path?

That's why I said using that statement really messes up the scaling

Like Mastered Jinyoung > Injured And Incomplete Path Jinyoung = Mastered Path Gap, Kitae, James and Shingen

 

[Foriaa]

Again path is just another form multiplier to it's base is stronger, so how in their oath they are both equals?

For this to work, you'd have to prove that Path provides the same multiplier for everyone that has it.

You answered your own question. If the "Domain and Realm" statement really showed power level relativity, then why was Jinyoung barely able to damage Path Kitae? Jinyoung is also in the same domain as all 4 of them. He shouldn't even have equal power to Kitae even with his incomplete path?

This is simple to answer. Firstly, if Jinyeong only said that Kitae is in the same realm as Gap and Shingen, and was only referring to him having a Path, then perhaps this argument could work, but that's not what happened. Jinyeong refers to Kitae's power, he calls him a monster, and then places him in the Path realm. Secondly, while Jinyeong is within the Path realm, the reason we don't grant him scaling to Gap/Shingen is simply because he only took a step into it, implying that while he is within the same tier as these characters, he's not necessarily relative to them, and lastly, of course he wouldn't have equal power to Kitae with Path, Jinyeong damages Base Kitae, this is very important to distinguish as the gap in power between Path and Base Kitae is massive.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

This is simple to answer. Firstly, if Jinyeong only said that Kitae is in the same realm as Gap and Shingen, and was only referring to him having a Path, then perhaps this argument could work, but that's not what happened. Jinyeong refers to Kitae's power, he calls him a monster, and then places him in the Path realm. Secondly, while Jinyeong is within the Path realm, the reason we don't grant him scaling to Gap/Shingen is simply because he only took a step into it, implying that while he is within the same tier as these characters, he's not necessarily relative to them, and lastly, of course he wouldn't have equal power to Kitae with Path, Jinyeong damages Base Kitae, this is very important to distinguish as the gap in power between Path and Base Kitae is massive.

Again, you're overcomplicating things. Because if Jinyoung really meant that statement as power relativity, then my point still stands. After that "Monster" statement, Jinyoung calls out his own inability to reach their domain. He says "In the end I wasn't able to reach their level". That would mean the moment Jinyoung got Path, he was on the same realm as Gap, Shingen, and Kitae. That's what his statement sounds like. He just needed Path to get on their level, which he got. But he still wasn't on their level yet if go by his own words he is on thier level. That's why I said using that Domain/Realm statement as power level relativity would just mess up the scaling point

For this to work, you'd have to prove that Path provides the same multiplier for

Neither can you prove that Kitae has greater Multiplier than Gap to get on his equal With statement being unreliable