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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

It looks good, but there's really no interesting Stamina feat? Or at least nothing comparable to other characters.
ZZZ characters are just severely lacking in stamina feats unfortunately, we don't really have a lot of notable ones outside of a select few. even the more impressive ones we have are kind of just vague in their timing. for example, there's two feats where miyabi and banyue are fighting off continuous waves of ethereals, but the timeframe is never explicitly stated so we don't know how long either of them were actually fighting for
 
ZZZ characters are just severely lacking in stamina feats unfortunately, we don't really have a lot of notable ones outside of a select few. even the more impressive ones we have are kind of just vague in their timing. for example, there's two feats where miyabi and banyue are fighting off continuous waves of ethereals, but the timeframe is never explicitly stated so we don't know how long either of them were actually fighting for
Could keeping up with the Ethereals be a Stamina feat? I mean, if the characters already scale with them in AP and speed, then I think they could do it with Stamina, assuming they fight for very long periods of time, of course.
 
Could keeping up with the Ethereals be a Stamina feat? I mean, if the characters already scale with them in AP and speed, then I think they could do it with Stamina, assuming they fight for very long periods of time, of course.
if there were more explicit showings of characters fighting ethereals for prolonged periods of time maybe, but it's pretty consistent throughout the game's story that a majority of characters aren't able to keep up with an ethereal's stamina. all the times we see ethereals get defeated usually involve either just completely overpowering an ethereal and killing it in a single go or wearing it down and eventually killing it through team effort
 
if there were more explicit showings of characters fighting ethereals for prolonged periods of time maybe, but it's pretty consistent throughout the game's story that a majority of characters aren't able to keep up with an ethereal's stamina. all the times we see ethereals get defeated usually involve either just completely overpowering an ethereal and killing it in a single go or wearing it down and eventually killing it through team effort
Well, we'll just have to keep waiting. Who would have thought that in a verse with 8-C characters and a peak of 7-C, the main problem would be stamina, lol.
 
Btw, would a fight between a young Gojo and Miyabi without equal speed be fair?
i actually thought of doing a HI gojo vs. VH character a while back (i was thinking either miyabi or shungus)

unequal speed would probably help, with equal speed i think any ZZZ character would just instantly get turned to paste by red or blue. though apparently JJK stats are going under some major revisions atm so i'm not sure what their stats will look like by the time those are done
 
i actually thought of doing a HI gojo vs. VH character a while back (i was thinking either miyabi or shungus)

unequal speed would probably help, with equal speed i think any ZZZ character would just instantly get turned to paste by red or blue. though apparently JJK stats are going under some major revisions atm so i'm not sure what their stats will look like by the time those are done
Could the shungus pierce Infinity? I haven't looked at its profile much, though.

They're constantly under review, but I don't think the changes would significantly affect Gojo's AP on this key. In fact, I think it was still 7-C before that. Besides, the LS from Blue and Red would still be a problem.
 
Could the shungus pierce Infinity? I haven't looked at its profile much, though.

They're constantly under review, but I don't think the changes would significantly affect Gojo's AP on this key. In fact, I think it was still 7-C before that. Besides, the LS from Blue and Red would still be a problem.
shungus has spatial manip, so her spatial slashes would be able to bypass infinity

we haven't applied it to the profiles yet but we do have this calc approved which buffs up the LS for the VH tier characters by a pretty substantial amount. blue would still be an issue since it still has higher LS but a 1.9x LS gap is definitely a lot better than a gazillion times LS gap lol
 
shungus has spatial manip, so her spatial slashes would be able to bypass infinity

we haven't applied it to the profiles yet but we do have this calc approved which buffs up the LS for the VH tier characters by a pretty substantial amount. blue would still be an issue since it still has higher LS but a 1.9x LS gap is definitely a lot better than a gazillion times LS gap lol
Isn't this a lowball since this calculation doesn't account for force at all, and only resting mass?
 
we haven't applied it to the profiles yet but we do have this calc approved which buffs up the LS for the VH tier characters by a pretty substantial amount. blue would still be an issue since it still has higher LS but a 1.9x LS gap is definitely a lot better than a gazillion times LS gap lol
Shouldn't the time frame be used to stop the sphere? That could improve the results.
 
Isn't this a lowball since this calculation doesn't account for force at all, and only resting mass?
Shouldn't the time frame be used to stop the sphere? That could improve the results.
idk, i wasn't the one who made the calc lol, i'd probably ask naito about that since they were the one who made it

i would assume probably but i'm not knowledgeable enough in calcs to really concretely say anything
 
ngl i've been thinking about this feat more and the more i think about it the more i kinda realize how nuts it is

yanagi has to boost her own perception speed to even be able to react to a swing from miyabi's replica, and then the second miyabi gets de-transformed from being a bangboo she just instantly proceeds to blitz her own replica. like straight up kills it in a single go before it even has a chance to react or counterattack

not sure how much it applies to equal speed debates (since that's what a majority of debates here are) but like, she quite literally blitzes a replica of herself lol
 
finished my cissia profile, if there are no issues with it i can go ahead and post it
You should probably make it Hypersonic combat and reaction speed, like your Billy profile.
Probably Superhuman travel speed too, but Masked can't remember if she has any good travel speed feats.
Maybe just "Comparable to other Agents" again, although that sounds a little hollow.

Edit: Masked woud also rank her Intelligence as "Below Average to Above Average." However, Masked is unsure of the standards for that, so you can just keep it as is if you disagree.
Other than that, it looks really good.
Thank you.
 
ngl i've been thinking about this feat more and the more i think about it the more i kinda realize how nuts it is

yanagi has to boost her own perception speed to even be able to react to a swing from miyabi's replica, and then the second miyabi gets de-transformed from being a bangboo she just instantly proceeds to blitz her own replica. like straight up kills it in a single go before it even has a chance to react or counterattack

not sure how much it applies to equal speed debates (since that's what a majority of debates here are) but like, she quite literally blitzes a replica of herself lol
It's a valid feat, but I don't think it ranks that high compared to other speed feats. Mainly because, unless one can assume a ridiculously superhuman or perhaps even subsonic timeframe, the feat itself could yield results lower than Subsonic+.

Although it also depends on the distance Miyabi traveled. At least I see it as a potential speed travel feat.
 
Although it also depends on the distance Miyabi traveled. At least I see it as a potential speed travel feat.
miyabi herself can casually run at 200km/h, so she already has at the bare minimum subsonic travel speed. you could also maybe scale her to the qingming bird's travel speed which is hypersonic

i'm not entirely sure if the other VHs would scale to her travel speed specifically, though at the very least yixuan should have hypersonic travel speed since she can get dragged around by the bird. remielle herself also should have transonic travel speed off of being able to create vapor waves while flying
 
It's a valid feat, but I don't think it ranks that high compared to other speed feats. Mainly because, unless one can assume a ridiculously superhuman or perhaps even subsonic timeframe, the feat itself could yield results lower than Subsonic+.
It looks like it could feasibly be Supersonic to me.
 
miyabi herself can casually run at 200km/h, so she already has at the bare minimum subsonic travel speed. you could also maybe scale her to the qingming bird's travel speed which is hypersonic

i'm not entirely sure if the other VHs would scale to her travel speed specifically, though at the very least yixuan should have hypersonic travel speed since she can get dragged around by the bird. remielle herself also should have transonic travel speed off of being able to create vapor waves while flying
Considering how acrobatic Miyabi is (and VHs in general, since what Miyabi does also improves those comparable to her), travel speed is actually more useful than it seems.
It looks like it could feasibly be Supersonic to me.
I was estimating, although I'm not really sure, from what point exactly does Miyabi start running?

Although now that I think about it, the feat could have a fairly high time frame if we consider that the travel speed of that "Clone" is equal to that of Miyabi.
 
Although now that I think about it, the feat could have a fairly high time frame if we consider that the travel speed of that "Clone" is equal to that of Miyabi.
I mean for the sword swing I'd use Superhuman speed by default anyways since these characters are all obviously superhuman. The sword moves far less distance than Miyabi in the same timeframe. If it's over 10x, it'd be close to Supersonic (12.43*10 = 124.3 m/s).

It's hard to tell exactly how much each of them moved without actually doing the math but it doesn't look like the clone moved a whole lot.
 
I mean for the sword swing I'd use Superhuman speed by default anyways since these characters are all obviously superhuman. The sword moves far less distance than Miyabi in the same timeframe. If it's over 10x, it'd be close to Supersonic (12.43*10 = 124.3 m/s).

It's hard to tell exactly how much each of them moved without actually doing the math but it doesn't look like the clone moved a whole lot.
I'm not really in favor of assuming superhuman or higher values if they aren't stated, however if we know that Miyabi's clone is a pretty close imitation of her, then using 200 km/h as a time frame would make sense.
 
I'm not really in favor of assuming superhuman or higher values if they aren't stated, however if we know that Miyabi's clone is a pretty close imitation of her, then using 200 km/h as a time frame would make sense.
i mean is superhuman as a bare minimum value really that crazy, this is the same character who can casually run 200km/h and jump hundreds of feet into the air without breaking a sweat lol
 
i mean is superhuman as a bare minimum value really that crazy, this is the same character who can casually run 200km/h and jump hundreds of feet into the air without breaking a sweat lol
I understand there's a rule that governs this type of calculation. I know of other verses where there were characters who could blitz people with incredible feats, and they still wouldn't accept anything beyond "Peak Human."
 
I haven't really gotten around to calculating the force aspect of the feat because a lot of the variables are a bit uncertain but also because I'm too lazy to lol
 
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