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Did someone actually spend 300 to talk about this :V
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Did someone actually spend 300 to talk about this :V
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Eh Storm current writer is blatant in wanting to make Storm ******* strong lol sure not all do it but let's be real some of the them def do the same thing
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Al Ewing's Immortal Thor literally made Thor monologue about who was stronger.
Donny Cates had Hulk fight an Allfather Thor and Iron Man in Celestial armor and the whole theme was around who would win.
For God's sake, Scott Snyder literally gave the Batman Who Laughs the power of Dr. Manhattan and went on about how it would threaten all of DC continuity; he then dunked Wonder Woman in the Forge of Creation, a place that he literally made up so that he could justify how powerful she needed to be to fight a Jokerized Batman who got the powers of an Alan Moore-made character that Geoff Johns wanked into high heaven for the sake of trying to do a Watchmen sequel.
I don't see literally any of that stuff in SCP because most of the writers there are more concerned on establishing their own canons and making ludicrously long SCP articles that would've been better presented as tales. So unless you can show me actual proof of SCP writers being super concerned about powerscaling as you claim they are, rather than what capeshit has been for the past few years, then it's all hearsay to me lmao
Mind you, all of the writers in SCP are notoriously elitist as hell, what on Earth makes you think that they would genuinely care about powerscaling and making 682 stronger for the sake of versus debates?
Donny Cates had Hulk fight an Allfather Thor and Iron Man in Celestial armor and the whole theme was around who would win.
For God's sake, Scott Snyder literally gave the Batman Who Laughs the power of Dr. Manhattan and went on about how it would threaten all of DC continuity; he then dunked Wonder Woman in the Forge of Creation, a place that he literally made up so that he could justify how powerful she needed to be to fight a Jokerized Batman who got the powers of an Alan Moore-made character that Geoff Johns wanked into high heaven for the sake of trying to do a Watchmen sequel.
I don't see literally any of that stuff in SCP because most of the writers there are more concerned on establishing their own canons and making ludicrously long SCP articles that would've been better presented as tales. So unless you can show me actual proof of SCP writers being super concerned about powerscaling as you claim they are, rather than what capeshit has been for the past few years, then it's all hearsay to me lmao
Mind you, all of the writers in SCP are notoriously elitist as hell, what on Earth makes you think that they would genuinely care about powerscaling and making 682 stronger for the sake of versus debates?
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Yeah ngl capeshit has become powerscaling bs again sorta recently after early 2010s still kept them on lower end of bs.
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Civil War and Avengers vs X-Men are pretty infamous for making heroes fight for the sake of fighting. For crying out loud, AvX even had special features for certain avengers being paired up against other x-men members in a "who would win?" match. The same event that literally made Namor lose to the Thing while he was underwater lmao
Saying that cape writers are sooooo innocent in this is just horseshit, sorry, but it is.
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Even if not for power scaling, most give them in universe buffs for whatever power up or events, topping the previous levels of power had before
Most of fiction will eventually jump in power as it goes on
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Didn't like one of the guys who created one of the SCP for story despite him being Uber power was sick of power level debates?
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You mean the monologue that was making fun of power scaling by having Thor say that the characters are as strong and fast as the stories need them to be?
And in the end there was no actual winner because it all was just marketing hype
Snyder also had all of the heroes and villains working together fail to move the Earth, let alone destroy it which was their plan. I doubt someone who was writing for the purpose of making characters super strong would have something like that be a pivotal moment in the story.
Each of your examples just prove me right, man.
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Luffy got packed up in G5 lmao 
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You might be referring to SCP-3812 "A Voice Behind Me", infamous for kickstarting these SCP powerscaling debates given the ludicrous nature of him "ascending the narrative stack" so to speak.
And yeah, I think that's probably the one. The overarching point is that article is inherently Meta. It was made by djkaktus who was sick of powerscaling arguments and so created 3812 as a way to sort of put an end to these debates; in a weirdly recursive sort of way, he succeeded both in-universe, out-of-universe, and everything in between that because now everyone knows that 3812 is just that guy.
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The fact that Ewing had to touch on it by monologuing about it instead of wasting like 3 pages just to convince Storm to wield Stormcaster and help him kick the Utgard-Thor's ass says otherwise.
"Marketing hype" so they use the prospect of versus debates to generate sales? That does little to disprove the argument that cape writers use their position as authors to smash characters together in these battles, especially since this still impacts the stories and continuity if they still do it. This is the case of Millar with Civil War, Snyder with Death Metal, and Ennis with Punisher every single time he wants to defecate all over another superhero.
Wow, it's almost like Snyder is still trying to tell a superhero story at the end of the day where good triumphs over evil like every other goddamn story told since the Epic of Gilgamesh and the time of Zoroaster. You completely whiffed and missed my point. All you've given are excuses when most people in this thread actually agree that capeshit writers have been egregious with the powerscaling.
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Didnt knew Red Hulk fought Sentry as well, also wasnt his power basically absorption which made him insanely OP, i remember a panel doing it on Silver Surfer holding him by the whole face
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I think it's usually just a means of providing spectacle, even in the case of SCP-682, but as powerscaling grows it may start to be used more as an excuse to give characters stronger feats and scaling, like Storm has been getting recently.
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This, BenHal and GvS2 are among the top 3 for me ngl. Mainly the first and third because the second is like mostly just a mid episode that unfortunately happened to be released at the height of Ben 10 wank while the other two are just legitimately bad.
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So like, quick question, besides the elephant in the room. What’s a character you thought was done dirty with the MU they got(whether it being the character they got or episode not being that good) and who would you want them to fight instead
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Asta. I'd wanted Asta face either; Natsu, Meliodas, or Luffy. But they had him stomp Deku. And we where complaining, the team actually tried to gaslight us by saying "y'all wanted this".
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Red… just… Red.
And no, that’s not a Seanism, because Ash vs Yugi proves the crew have learned their lesson when it comes to characterisation of Pokemon trainers. Red has no excuse here.
Ryuko also deserved a better opponent than the thinly-veiled statstomp/pity loss that was Shadow, and Jenny Yokobori needed a better director for her. Hell, I kinda think Shadow deserved better (which is why I’ve, no pun intended, been gunning for XS Kukai Jr. as a Shadow opponent). If you really wanted to fire off a few ideas - you know how Ragna vs Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria) got (likely) shot down at the ToC? Boom - Ryuko vs Velvet. Need I say more?
Although if those don’t count, I would have said Dimitri (on a count of Kevin Rivera being heavily miscast at the time), but the amendments needed are more just weird editorial decisions, and I can understand why they interpreted Dimitri in the fight the way they did, even if it is a misinterpretation in a manner of speaking for him.
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Idk if this is giving the team greater charity than they might have deserved in that instance, but wasn’t the whole ‘you wanted this’ thing around giving Deku MUs that weren’t Gon?
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I've already talked about SentryAtom so I'mma just move on from that.
I think the particular one that comes to mind as of recent is Bakureze. It's not an objectively badly made episode, but it's just a really hollow MU.
Megatron vs Frieza is an MU I actually like but then they decide to use the outdated G1 blog as research for Megs and it somehow has the dumbest composite standards I've ever seen from DB.
Optimus vs Gundam didn't need the compositing for Optimus. But even worse so, I don't like how little they focused on Amuro as a character and moreso on the Gundam. I get why they did this and didn't cover the Nu Gundam, but imagine if they did SimonKyle and only focused on the Green Lagann mech and not Simon as a character. It could definitely be reworked but I feel Optimus has more interesting alts anyway.
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That ones ass
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No one gives a shit about that and most push shadow vs velvet
And that mu would never do well for a episode
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To answer this question
Gogeta vs Vegito
Gogeta had a cool mu with Omnimon folks wanted and instead due to the DBX success we get a same series finale that was lame as hell outside the track and honestly the biggest example of DB over relying on reference for a fight
I argue Kratos and Asura were wasted on each other, there entire visual scale didn't mesh well in any capacity
Asura had Broly and Atrocitous
Kratos had Dante,and Scorpion
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Still tinfoiling that GogetaVegito was last min decision and some other MU got cancelled or delayed.
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Doctor Doom.
There are so, so many matches for the guy, and instead they decide to throw him at Darth Vader, who has a billion other matchups of his own without being thrown at one of his least thematic(use Papa Palps for Doom, man...), and Lex ******* Luthor, who both already had a good episode and isn't that thematic with Doom.
If Illidan vs Xiao (Genshin Impact) happened, it would have been Illidan for sure, because that match is literally dogshit for him. The connections literally don't go beyond "Fight monstrous beings, are edgy, and are in a constant suffering of some kind".
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It could have worked, it SHOULD have worked, just don't utilize Destructor Asura (not even his most powerful form) as that's the one that breaks the suspension of disbelief. If you gotta for the striking visual, have Kratos use his athleticism to scale the titan and avoid his punch entirely.
We were THIS CLOSE to greatness, that teaser we got looked so damn cool. We were deprived of two brutal godkillers going blow for blow and tearing each other apart, and instead got an overly atmospheric and somber wet fart.
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Worst part about Tifa vs Yang is the fight is actually ******* incredible. Feels more like a RWBY fight than any of the other RWBY episodes choreography wise.
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Wonder Woman. 3 episodes and none on them are memorable. At best, a mid episode and two really bad ones.
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Damn, fr gave her the Warner bros treatment
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Was the jump cut from Bendy to Chara intentional or was that just terrible editing?
Anyway the Chara argument is kinda dumb, like when people say they want Chara vs [X character] 99.99% of the time they mean genocide route Frisk. Like yes, that's already what most people mean when they say it.
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They're just like Warner Bros!
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Who else does Wonder Woman have lol.
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I feel like that's more a problem with Wonder Woman as a character in general seeping into the DB. Like there is no "definitive Wonder Woman comic" or "definitive cartoon adaptation" that Death Battle can just steal a bunch of stuff from. Like if Batman or Ironman says a quote or does a specific move people will look at the screen and go "oh shit he said the line" or "oh shit he did the thing." Wonderwoman is such a formless character in the zeitgeist, she's just kinda there.
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Storm, Sailor moon, ummmm…. Yeah it’s not looking good for Diana
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Still can't believe Rogue vs Wonder Woman was a thing lmfao, like bro what 
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Didn't they have Rogue win that shit too lmfaoStill can't believe Rogue vs Wonder Woman was a thing lmfao, like bro what
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