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Shadow Saint Vs Sword Saint
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Btw that key is transcendent not saint
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I'll add that then in case it get's confusing.
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I think Reinhard would win because sunless don't have any resistance to conceptual manipulation type 2.
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Check rank physiology, resistance to absorption and concept type 2 is because of a Sunless feat.
Condemnation does it's whole thing via type 2 concept.
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That's in supreme section, not in transcendent. I thought this is transcendent sunny vs reinhard.
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Said feat was performed by Saint Sunless using Will. Some Saints will have part of the supreme physiology Will section because of it.
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Wait did you cleared that thing in CRT?
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I discussed it with actuallyspaceman, Saint profiles have possibly limited reality warping because of it.
It's up to supporters to drop what the Saint has accomplished with Will tho, Sunless can only use Will in his Saint key for what he's been shown to use it to do.
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Hmm, I see. So I think that too should be added to Sunless's profile in transcendent key. But anyway since he have resistance to conceptual manipulation type 2 and law manipulation too, then I think he wins because of higher ap.
UrongSygn1
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Does Sunny resist Dura Neg?
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He can turn into a shadow to avoid getting critical hits.
Rakih_Elyan
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Edgy ahh teenager vs "I always win" teenager
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They both get ordered around a lot too.
Rakih_Elyan
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Sunny is just a fetish at this point lmao, really a Shadow "Slave"
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In comparison to me (and Reinhard) he's the one in a loving relationship so he's doing something right
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Zabazab
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Reinhard-kun is 20!
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One foot in the grave already!
Anyway, what does Reinhard do when his EE and Dura neg doesn't work. (Actual Reinhard fights are possible guys)
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I’m not sure why Sunny can resist the dragon sword, and turning into a shadow wouldn’t really work since we see bright enough sources of light can erase them (Nephis) and Reinhard erases Satella’s shadows casually
Shadow dance wouldn’t really work either, mainly because Sunny as a saint doesn’t have his true name so he would risk getting lost in Reinhard’s own identity, people like Reid (weaker than Reinhard) have been shown consuming people’s identities when they tried to copy them (Roy)
Sunny also shouldn’t have resistance to Reinhard’s power null (assuming we equalise essence and mana) so he’d get drained really quickly and die so yeah, Reinhard takes it IMO
Shadow dance wouldn’t really work either, mainly because Sunny as a saint doesn’t have his true name so he would risk getting lost in Reinhard’s own identity, people like Reid (weaker than Reinhard) have been shown consuming people’s identities when they tried to copy them (Roy)
Sunny also shouldn’t have resistance to Reinhard’s power null (assuming we equalise essence and mana) so he’d get drained really quickly and die so yeah, Reinhard takes it IMO
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That's fine, Reinhard is quite faster but Sunless AP stomps. He would have to Kill Sunless 7 times tho.
Sunless is Acasual and cut off from Fate so Reinhard can't rely on his intuition to do anything here.
Sunless can use shadow Lantern to make infinite shadows and does not have this problem as a Saint.
No one's arguing for Shadow dance anyway (since he doesn't use it as a Saint), but Sunless is perfectly capable of regaining his identity due to his other duplicates. All Saint's have a True Name which is Info type 2 and is an anchor for the self, Sunless being able to copy any random saint and keeping his sanity is more enough for someone like Reid.
And it would be crazy saying he would be unable to.
Literal random sorcery that Master's resist absorbs and powernull through taking essence. Why would this do anything, especially since Sunless resists this?
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This is fine, but intuition isn’t just a fate thing, it’s also just a general thing which exists through reading the movements and actions of the enemy
That’s not what he starts off with especially when he doesn’t know the abilities of his opponent, just look at his fight against the 13 Saints (iirc) he doesn’t start off with that, it’s highly likely he would get erased before he can even do that
Except Sunny doesn’t fully copy them, and he only copies them to a slight extent so he can maintain his identity which he is textually afraid of losing, whereas Reid is capable of overpowering conceptual authorities stealing his identity
I can’t access imgur links, this has to be some form of bullying
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That's analytical prediction, Sunless can already do that from the first level of shadow dance and in fact his should be better because of being tied to a fundamental aspect.
Context matters, that was a holding back Sunless who thought they were useful, after he stopped holding back he proceeded to trash them. There's no reason to hold back against Reinhard.
Literally no one has info type 2 stuff in Re zero, which True Names are, why would copying them be harder than a literal info type 2 barrier.
I'm not arguing he will btw, Saint Sunless does not copy people.
I don't have the text, so you'll just have to make doI can’t access imgur links, this has to be some form of bullying
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Reinhard:
Kill Sunless 7 times.
Faster
More skilled
Od laguna.
Sunless:
Higher AP
Layered Death manip.
BFR.
Invul/Invul neg
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Pretty sure his concern was that Slayer would escape via lantern and wipe out everyone, which he didn't want to.
Also (at least by SS's logic) shadows aren't simply countered by light source, it's a matter of which is stronger.
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Forgot about this. Actually, ignoring this does Reinhard have Light manipuation?
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Yep
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Color me suprised then.
Not ignoring that, the shadows from the Lantern are definetely more potent whether you go by numbers, source, the caster etc. (Satella is the inferior shadow manipulator.)
