Infinite Mage Revision - Going Beyond

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Introduction​

Hello guys, so I wanted to to upgrade the speed for Miro and any future character profile that is an immortal function users. So this is going to be a short crt, anyways without further ado, let's begin.

Please avoid derailing topics and toxic behaviors.

Content​

In the world of infinite mage, a mage have something called "omnipotence & omniscience." Omniscience is the understanding of the mage to the source of knowledge while omnipotence is necessary for the mage to actualize the said "magic." If one doesn't have the understanding of what he wants to cast, he wouldn't be able to cast it, it works backwards as well.

Knowing this, let's go to the actual speed.

Photon Mages are categorized 4 different ways which is speed of light magic, Artificial speed of light, speed of light, and superluminal/Super-Lightspeed.

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Since the two categories below the speed of light are given, lets go to the speed of light. The speed of light as the speed at which required to be able to stop time.

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It is a speed at which where space and time seems to stop.

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But the speed of light is not fix in this verse. As at some level, it can even catch up to time itself.

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Now let's go to Superluminal speed.

As for the previous evidence, it was said that superluminal speed is a speed at which surpasses the speed of light, not just by a small amount, but by being completely beyond it to the point that it's not even comparable.

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And as I've established earlier that if speed of light can even catch up to time, then a speed that surpasses the speed of light means that it also surpasses time.

For further proof is when Shirone was trapped in the space-time prison—a space where time doesn't flow—, Shirone stated that he needs to do the same process as the way gets within the domain but in reverse(basically going into the past).

When Shirone took his first step into the black sphere, he felt the same sensation as when he first entered the spot.
The exit could not be seen, and even when he moved his steps, nothing changed.
Shirone looked back and was startled.
The woman was still watching this side with sleepy eyes.
He had become trapped in the horizon of events where time does not pass.
I can't escape.
Because he had already experienced stop magic, he knew that no matter what effort he made, he could not escape from the prison of space time.
It was miserable, and he finally understood the woman's words.
SOURCE: @RaikiKurohane99 Translation

I will do as you wish. But please promise me. If you cannot return to the original world and come back, then at that time you must follow my will.
Okay. But I will not give up.
The woman created a black sphere large enough for a person to enter directly in front of Shirone.
To return to the original world, you must go through the process by which you came here in reverse. If you follow the spot that penetrates this space time, you can do that.
Source: @RaikiKurohane99 translation

The only way to be able to move in the said "space" was to be able to move at Superluminal speed at which even he was unable to do so without understanding of what if it means to surpass "TIME".

In any case, the priority was getting back. Shirone took a deep breath, casting the Photon Magic and simultaneously unleashing the Immortal Function.

The effect was immediate. His acceleration shook the Spirit Zone intensely as he approached sub-light speed, near-light speed, and then light speed.

"Uuugh...!"

Yet, he still couldn‘t reach superluminal speed. Without a true understanding of what it meant to surpass time, he couldn‘t wield magic through omniscience. His only remaining option was to fully unleash the Immortal Function. Even if it might mean being erased again, he expanded his consciousness without hesitation.

But when he used the immortal function, he was able to do it and even say that the key for Superluminal speed is the immortal function.

His chin trembled without him realizing it. It was the fear of a disappearance with a different meaning from death.
I will return.
Only the desire to return to reality could overcome all of that fear.
Immortal Function!
Shirone's mental body burst with a bang and was broken down into particles. Following that, something faster than light began to dash across the horizon of events.
It worked!
His self was already scattered, but inside the black tunnel, the particles that made up him were tangled together as one.
Within that overall identity, Shirone saw the exit of light in the distance.
His physical body was waiting.
I'm going! I'm finally going!
Source: @RaikiKurohane99 translation

By which he succeeded bcs of the immortal function and it's even the key for it, so that would mean that with the immortal function, one would be able to move beyond time and even go the same way as he did but in reverse so therefore immeasurable speed.

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Conclusion ​

All immortal function users would get:

Speed: Immeasurable (Via <Immortal Function> which is the key for Superluminal speed, which allows the user to move beyond linear time and move to the past.)

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

This is not immeasurable speed.

Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed. However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This can lead to characters being assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

This is not immeasurable speed.

"Going beyond time through raw speed alone" and is stated to be able to traverse the world(spacetime) instantaneously.

Nevertheless, the reason for holding onto hope is that Shirone's current state is that of a pure spiritual body.

'Right now, I exist as a mind. In other words, a state without mass. If my thoughts are electrical signals in the brain, then I am currently existing at the speed of light. Therefore… … … … … … .

What can be faster than thought?

"The Immortal Function."

Although it is difficult to travel the universe even at the speed of light, the speed at which the Immortal Function spreads throughout the entire universe is instantaneous.

In other words, within the realm of thought, the mind was effectively faster than light.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

"Going beyond time through raw speed alone" and is stated to be able to traverse the world(spacetime) instantaneously.

This is due to FTL speed which is not immeasurable at all.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

This is due to FTL speed which is not immeasurable at all.

So ftl now can traverse the world instantaneously

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So ftl now can traverse the world instantaneously

If you can travel through time even at some unknown FTL speed, a lot of things are gonna be able to seem like an instant.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

If you can travel through time even at some unknown FTL speed, a lot of things are gonna be able to seem like an instant.

It's "Across the world" instantly meaning no delay, the best you can low-ball this is infinite speed

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Are the tls verified?
Anyways, Immeasurable Speed is temporal movement, it doesn't always have to be the same in spatial terms. You can be FTL but also immeasurable at the same time, it's judged case by case as said in our Speed page.

Also, you can add that the world that the Immortal function expands to is Infinite in size (iirc it was in Chapter 2~3 of the manhwa when shirone tries to sense magic and enter his spirit zone for the first time)

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Are the tls verified?

It's not sadly, I can't find anyone active that translate Korean.

Anyways, Immeasurable Speed is temporal movement, it doesn't always have to be the same in spatial terms. You can be FTL but also immeasurable at the same time, it's judged case by case as said in our Speed page.

Yea, this was the same in tensura's case as well. What do you think about it, would it qualify?

Also, you can add that the world that the Immortal function expands to is Infinite in size (iirc it was in Chapter 2~3 of the manhwa when shirone tries to sense magic and enter his spirit zone for the first time)

I forgot that even existed, I'll add it now.

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

This is either FTL or MFTL+

But dont trust me on this too much

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

This is either FTL or MFTL+

How so?

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

But dont trust me on this too much

Lmao

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Speed is either FTL+ or Infinite.

All the context for moving faster than time seems to imply infinite speed through instantaneous. even being compared to the speed of thought.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

All the context for moving faster than time seems to imply infinite speed through instantaneous

Not really, moving beyond time means moving beyond time in literal terms here due to how the verse works, since he is required to understand what it means to move beyond time to be able to get to superluminal speed, it would mean that once the character understand it they can move beyond it as long as the necessary mental strength is present which he succeeded when using the immortal function, an the immortal function being able to encompass the whole would be a supporting argument for it.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I don't see that context in the scans

Infinite speed can still be argued as moving beyond time because it's moving at 0 time AKA without time passing. which is how it can be considered as beating time or moving beyond it

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

even being compared to the speed of thought.

The speed of thought is referring to the speed of light, as he was clearly referring to how his spiritual body having no mass and the requirements for moving in the speed of light in this verse is having no mass like a photon and being in spiritual state, he has no mass essentially his always moving at the speed of light.

Nevertheless, the reason for holding onto hope is that Shirone's current state is that of a pure spiritual body.

'Right now, I exist as a mind. In other words, a state without mass. If my thoughts are electrical signals in the brain, then I am currently existing at the speed of light. Therefore… … … … … … .

What can be faster than thought?

"The Immortal Function."

Although it is difficult to travel the universe even at the speed of light, the speed at which the Immortal Function spreads throughout the entire universe is instantaneous.

In other words, within the realm of thought, the mind was effectively faster than light.

"Haha! Well, I can‘t say she‘s fragile, but she‘s certainly a good person."

"And what about now? Do you think my sister is beautiful?"

"Uh, well, of course. She‘s quite popular at school."

"Then, let me ask you this. Do you think we could do something improper
while time is stopped?"

Shirone, understanding Armin‘s implication, blushed.

"What are you saying right now? Surely you‘re not suggesting, Armin…?"

"Don‘t worry. It‘s impossible. Right now, we‘re in a state where our mass
converges to zero. If we truly had no mass, we‘d disintegrate. The key point is acceleration. That‘s why Stop magic is referred to as being within the realm of the speed of light."

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

I don't see that context in the scans

Infinite speed can still be argued as moving beyond time because it's moving at 0 time AKA without time passing. which is how it can be considered as beating time or moving beyond it

Again, moving beyond time means literally moving beyond time due to inverse mechanic

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

I don't see that context in the scans

Infinite speed can still be argued as moving beyond time because it's moving at 0 time AKA without time passing. which is how it can be considered as beating time or moving beyond it

Its already stated that time within the spot doesn't exist.

As Shirone took her first step into the black sphere, he felt the same sensation as when he first entered the spot.

There was no exit in sight, and nothing changed no matter how many steps she took.

Turning around, Shirone was startled.

The woman was still watching him with sleepy eyes.

he was trapped in an idea horizon where time did not flow.

'I can't escape.'

Having already experienced the Stop magic, he knew that no matter how hard he tried, he could not break free from this prison of space-time.

he felt miserable, and he finally understood what the woman had said.

So what your saying doesn't make sense.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

If I recall correctly there was some detailed end chart about Superluminal in the manhwa. I think that would be useful

Think it was around when Shirone was on the mountain exam and fought the dragon puzzle smth

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

If I recall correctly there was some detailed end chart about Superluminal in the manhwa. I think that would be useful

Think it was around when Shirone was on the mountain exam and fought the dragon puzzle smth

Well, I went ahead and got the scans:

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• Speed of Light is many things. At a certain level, this speed can catch up to Time itself, such that moving at this speed makes it as if Space Time has stopped. That is Time Stop magic, where a mage moves at this speed.
• By that logic, surpassing the speed of light means you can go faster than Time.
• Oh, and another scan that space and time are infinite. I think spreading omnidirectionally such that you become the infinite space eventually is Infinite speed, but doing the same to the infinite space time continuum (where you spread to merge with Time itself as well) is Immeasurable. I remember reading that somewhere

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Well, I went ahead and got the scans:

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• Speed of Light is many things. At a certain level, this speed can catch up to Time itself, such that moving at this speed makes it as if Space Time has stopped. That is Time Stop magic, where a mage moves at this speed.
• By that logic, surpassing the speed of light means you can go faster than Time.
• Oh, and another scan that space and time are infinite. I think spreading omnidirectionally such that you become the infinite space eventually is Infinite speed, but doing the same to the infinite space time continuum (where you spread to merge with Time itself as well) is Immeasurable. I remember reading that somewhere

Yeah, this context made more sense.
I was really confused with the text alone.

I'll agree with using this album instead of just pure text
and reword the description to describe how superluminal can allow traversal of time in reverse

 

[Robo432343]

Bruh this is clearly done via FTL speed
Let it go gng

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Bruh this is clearly done via FTL speed
Let it go gng

Robo on his Nasuverse arc?
Who is bro trynna rizz 🫪

 

[Robo432343]

Robo on his Nasuverse arc?
Who is bro trynna rizz 🫪

you

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

you

Gae
Go rizz a pillow bitting prince instead

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Yeah, this context made more sense.
I was really confused with the text alone.

I'll agree with using this album instead of just pure text
and reword the description to describe how superluminal can allow traversal of time in reverse

Thanks for the notes, I'll add that in a minute

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Done with the edit

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Spoiler: Edit summary

changed a couple of things, I changed the wordings, and added a couple more evidence aswell...

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Bump

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

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[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Staff

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Staff

Wait a few months

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Spoiler: EDIT SUMMARY

So I edited it and changed my argument and wordings bcs the new translations just arrived thanks to @RaikiKurohane99 I
Greatly appreciate your help, anyways what do you all think about it?

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

This one is wayy better,
U have my approval for now.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Spoiler: EDIT SUMMARY

So I edited it and changed my argument and wordings bcs the new translations just arrived thanks to @RaikiKurohane99 I
Greatly appreciate your help, anyways what do you all think about it?

I'd say it's far better than before, but adding the visuals of how shirone travels through time are still a good idea. You can just use this:

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[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

I'd say it's far better than before, but adding the visuals of how shirone travels through time are still a good idea. You can just use this:

Should I add the entire thing? Like until the end?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Should I add the entire thing? Like until the end?

You mean the link? Yeah
You can just add "Visually shown here" in the description and link it to that.

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

You mean the link? Yeah
You can just add "Visually shown here" in the description and link it to that.

Done

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

Bump

 

[Theunidentifiedrakiel_54648]

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