Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

[Ghengiroo115]

 

[Ti58]

Another thing: FRIEND appears in Chapter 5 and Chapter 3. In both Chapters it can damage you. Does this mean that Ch3 scales to Ch5?

 

[Ethnikistis]

Another thing: FRIEND appears in Chapter 5 and Chapter 3. In both Chapters it can damage you. Does this mean that Ch3 scales to Ch5?

The damage it deals(ch5) is based on the items in your inventory.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Another thing: FRIEND appears in Chapter 5 and Chapter 3. In both Chapters it can damage you. Does this mean that Ch3 scales to Ch5?

Nah.
In both cases attacks are duraneg. And on case of fight in chapter 3 goal of ERAM (Shadow Mantle holder) and FRIENDSs is for Kris to win.

 

[Lilybitdun]

 

[Axorandom0]

Gotta love how Frisk always gets portrayed as mid diffing the entirety of Deltarune at WORST whenever put up against it

 

[LittleGuy99]

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Gotta love how Frisk always gets portrayed as mid diffing the entirety of Deltarune at WORST whenever put up against it

Ngl, it's a little deserved since deltarune fans sometimes say Frisk has zero characterization or showcases of personality beyond being the player's vessel.

 

[Randomuser3412]

That's mean, Kris! That's so mean...

 

[LittleGuy99]

FRIEND profile ready (Sandbox)

 

[FinePoint]

FRIEND profile ready (Sandbox)

IMO too much is merely implied to justify a profile right now.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

 

[LittleGuy99]

IMO too much is merely implied to justify a profile right now.

We'll have to wait and see if FRIEND has a fight in Chapter 6 pls!

 

[The_Ghost_Knight]

Nice to see they gave credit for the calcs, a decently popular youtuber mentioning some of yall is nice

 

[Edutyn]

I have an idea that could be either a great idea or a terrible idea/theory, and shouldn't exist

Here.

I think the flowers/plants (planters?) should have both physiologies.

Although Flowery mentions that plants are neither Lightners nor Darkners, I feel that this refers to plants being an intermediate form that has characteristics of both.

Living things that enter a dark world are called Lightners; they can use things like inventories, check, and ACTuar; they can cast spells and TP; and, furthermore, in a dark world, they transform into their ideal version—the one they desire.

Inanimate objects in a dark world transform into Darkners, who can use magic ≥ that of Lightners; Darkners are distorted to take on a form similar to their Light World counterparts; they cannot travel to other worlds, they can manipulate bullet worlds, immovable types, etc...

And what about plants/flowers? They are living, sentient beings, but physically (structurally?) they are immobile. Their form in the Dark World is whatever they want it to be (similar to Lightners, except Orange). They can use magic at a level ≥ that of Lightners (like Darkners), and they can use Check (Lightners). If they go to the Light World, they return to their real form (Darkners). the Dark World is a distortion of reality, so they can’t obtain nutrients (Lightners don’t get calories). And possibly more, but I can’t think of any right now.

What do you all think?

I know this might not make sense (or it might do), but I saw this somewhere else and I feel like it should be discussed because it affects the flowers in some degree.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I don't really understand the logic behind this Flowery speed calc, why is superhuman/speed of sound used when The Knight isn't even really moving at those speeds since it's on its knees, wouldn't it make more sense to use the Knight's afterimages (like the calc originally did) since Flowery actually did blitz those while they were actually moving?

 

[Edutyn]

I don't really understand the logic behind this Flowery speed calc, why is superhuman/speed of sound used when The Knight isn't even really moving at those speeds since it's on its knees, wouldn't it make more sense to use the Knight's afterimages (like the calc originally did) since Flowery actually did blitz those while they were actually moving?

Calc got rejected, i'm gonna recalc it later

 

[FinePoint]

Can't we just scale Flowery from the existing sound feats? Why do we need a new calc?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Can't we just scale Flowery from the existing sound feats? Why do we need a new calc?

I'm sure he already scales to higher feats, but there's nothing wrong with having more supporting feats for the verse.

 

[Axorandom0]

Can't we just scale Flowery from the existing sound feats? Why do we need a new calc?

Supporting feats are fun

 

[Lou_change]

Is almond milk going to get a profile it shown up 3 times now.

 

[Edutyn]

Another 9-A+ support calc for Deltarune, Mach 15 calc, and i started the recalc of Flowery feat. Should i count the afterimages Flowery made while hitting the Knight? Since the Knight couldn't react i think it would upgrade the value, but i'm not sure.

I'm gonna sleep rn, so i will correct thing later.

 

[Axorandom0]

Should i count the afterimages Flowery made while hitting the Knight? Since the Knight couldn't react i think it would upgrade the value, but i'm not sure.

i don't think it would work that way but i could be wrong

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Another 9-A+ support calc for Deltarune, Mach 15 calc, and i started the recalc of Flowery feat. Should i count the afterimages Flowery made while hitting the Knight? Since the Knight couldn't react i think it would upgrade the value, but i'm not sure.

I'm gonna sleep rn, so i will correct thing later.

I meant measure the speed of The Knight's afterimages and assume they're slowed down to snail speed when they freeze but it seems that the slow motion calc method isn't accepted for Flowery anyways.

 

[Breadbear83]

Another 9-A+ support calc for Deltarune, Mach 15 calc, and i started the recalc of Flowery feat. Should i count the afterimages Flowery made while hitting the Knight? Since the Knight couldn't react i think it would upgrade the value, but i'm not sure.

I'm gonna sleep rn, so i will correct thing later.

Ain't there still that moment where Flowery moves his shoulder to get ready to attack the knight, where their afterimages are statued?

Slow mo was rejected but you still can use the 1px method, if the knight afterimages had a speed of 50 m/s, and the knight is like 2.5m tall by being 250px tall, then 1px is 1cm, thats how much the afterimages could move while Flowery was blitzing them, moving 1cm at 50 m/s is a timeframe of 0.0002 s

With that timeframe measure flowery moving his shoulders, if he move 40cm then he has a speed of 2000 m/s

(Also the flowery lifting asgore would be Class 10 as its in the middle of 5-10 Metric Tons, for the Mach 15 Feat you could measure the weight of a bullet and apply the speed, should be High 8-C)

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Ain't there still that moment where Flowery moves his shoulder to get ready to attack the knight, where their afterimages are statued?

Slow mo was rejected but you still can use the 1px method, if the knight afterimages had a speed of 50 m/s, and the knight is like 2.5m tall by being 250px tall, then 1px is 1cm, thats how much the afterimages could move while Flowery was blitzing them, moving 1cm at 50 m/s is a timeframe of 0.0002 s

With that timeframe measure flowery moving his shoulders, if he move 40cm then he has a speed of 2000 m/s

(Also the flowery lifting asgore would be Class 10 as its in the middle of 5-10 Metric Tons, for the Mach 15 Feat you could measure the weight of a bullet and apply the speed, should be High 8-C)

Wouldn't it be better to use 1 in-game pixel, so the results don't get inflated by a video with high screen resolution?

Kris is 36 pixels tall and their sprite is upscaled by 2 in-game so that's 72 pixels tall.

1.6795/72 = 0.02332638888 m

 

[Edutyn]

Corrected (?) the Flowery recalc, now give from Mach 8 to Mach 22

 

[Ghengiroo115]

After rematching Pink on an aborted Weird Route file (which means no Dealmaker or True Tie to resist Puppet/Cat damage, or Monarch Ribbon for better healing), I can confidently say that her fight is way too easy outside of those unfair bombs. I beat her first try in my rematch without using items (I beat her first try on my first playthrough as well, but that was with me using healing items while my skill was nerfed by IRL weather).

The official Twitter account said a few days ago that they’re planning on nerfing the bombs soon, which while a good thing will mean that her fight will possibly end up the easiest of the Shadow bosses.

 

[FinePoint]

Corrected (?) the Flowery recalc, now give from Mach 8 to Mach 22

I think the high end is kind of bogus because those aren't afterimages caused by speed, the Knight just constantly emanates them even while standing still, same for Flowery.

 

[Edutyn]

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Spoiler: List Of Calcs 1.2.5

Evaluated
Need Evaluation

AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Jevil drops a giant scythe: 207806.374362 J (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 284475 joules (Wall Level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
The Weather Duo Temparature Feats: 0.02722124582 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) & 0.09241312608 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level)
Yellow fires big bullets: 0.19010695539 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level+)
Giga Queen PE: 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Ralsei vaporizes a giant shuriken: 0.6396535925717017 tons of TNT (Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Titan Fist: 3.03 tonnes of TNT (Large Building Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
A cat ball: 127,72003207 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 626.10413327 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level+)
Gerson is fast: 0.4 tonnes of TNT to 4.944 kilotons (Building Level to Small Town Level+)
Titan's PE: 18.376 kilotons (Town Level)
Pink's Explosion: 0.00642521475 Tons of TNT (Small Building level) | 40.99 Kilotons of TNT up to 92.24 Kilotons of TNT (Town Level to Town Level+) | 2.28435682544 Tons to 175.861915475 Kilotons (Building Level to Large Town Level)
Tenna's Weather Report: 910.1375932 Tons Of TNT up to 347.95797 Kilotons (Multi-City Block Level+ up to Large Town Level)
Miss Mizzle creates a storm: 3.3644010516252 Megatons (Small City Level)

Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Susie blocks soundwaves: 62.81 m/s (Subsonic)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic))
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Jevil Final Chaos Speed: 335.900000001 m/s (Transonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Flowery sends Asgore away: Mach 1.48104956268 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
The justice hits hard: Mach 5.0749089039 (Hypersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
A cat ball: Mach 8.55555555556 (Hypersonic)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Big Guns: Mach 15.2 (Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Flowery moves REALLY fast: Mach 8.29590992063 to Mach Mach 22.892172991 (Hypersonic to Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 40 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
A Fox becomes THE SUN: Mach 102.476020408 (Massively Hypersonic)
Pink's Explosion: 258.47505 m/s or Mach 0.753571574 (Subsonic+) | Mach 62.46 to Mach 93.7 (High Hypersonic+) | Mach 2.66923376997 to 113.550546647 (Supersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Gerson is fast: Mach 2.78 to Mach 308.3 (Supersonic to Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna's Smash Cut: 447.866666667 m/s to Mach 324.198250729 (Supersonic to Massively Hypersonic) (?)


LS:
Giant Shurikens: 359.401813185 kg (Superhuman)
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Flowery sends Asgore away: 8.37717983473 Tons (Class 10)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
A cat ball: 159066953.35 Tons (Class G)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 270564838.768 tons (Class G)
Gerson is fast: 102858 tons of force to 1.27 billion tons of force (Class M to Class T)
A Fox becomes THE SUN: 4.4257219e+17kg (Class P)
Flowery Moves the "SUN": 2.0766e+26 Tons (Class Y)

Other
Giant Pink Size: 13.5m (Large Size Type 1)

The Sun's calcs should probably get debate in a CRT

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I think the high end is kind of bogus because those aren't afterimages caused by speed, the Knight just constantly emanates them even while standing still, same for Flowery.

Didn't GodlyCharmander measure the speed of the afterimages a few pages ago, why couldn't that have been used?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Didn't GodlyCharmander measure the speed of the afterimages a few pages ago, why couldn't that have been used?

Also, I'm pretty sure the afterimages only freeze after Flowery turns so that movement probably isn't valid. Maybe that Subsonic one was the safest option?