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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Guacamolefletcher
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Hot take: 15 Finger Sukuna is already Gojo level, and he would stalemate Gojo in Shibuya
EldemadeDityjon
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Btw Sukuna's incomplete domain creating tornado was pretty cool Lmao. Gege cooked that chapter hard. Every panel was pretty damn neat.
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It was a low-output Red that still damaged him despite being weakened by Domain Amplification. And off guard? That's not how this works. Do you think Sukuna is so un-vigilant that he would drop his reinforcement while standing right in front of Gojo? Speaking of which, DA enhances the user as well, so Red doing that much damage at low-output shows how powerful it is
As for the first Red, it was taken by a Domain-buffed Sukuna. Of course it's gonna inflict less damage
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He doesn’t have enough LS to do that, Gojo grip is enough
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Gojo HUH
Giannysmag
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Gojo is called the strongest current character in the fanbook, which was released Post-Shibuya
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Also if four arm Sukuna tried to lock Gojo he would receive the nastiest dropkick of his LIFE
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Isn't that 16 Finger now since Yuji was made with one of Sukuna's fingers? Or is that something still being debated?
Edit: Grammar
Guacamolefletcher
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No? He's never said to be stronger than 15 Finger Sukuna from Shibuya
In Shibuya it's 15, once the culling game started, 16
Giannysmag
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Gege said in the fanbook that the strongest character at that point in time was Gojo, i'll try to find it but the fanbooks a mess
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How I see it:
Until Kenjaku did the funny, Sukuna was at 15 fingers but then was at 16 fingers after that (so basically every showing post Shibuya; Meguna etc.) until he eats 3 more to get to 19 fingers + the mummys head to account for the last finger.
20th finger was used by Yuta/RIka to copy Shrine.
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Since it was post-Shibuya, it would be 16 fingers. Which makes things even worse
Giannysmag
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Most of the JJK timeline can be simplified into this
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Where did Yuji get a finger in-between the ending of Shibuya and the start of the Culling Games? I thought it was understood that everyone was just miscounting up to this point without realizing it
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EldemadeDityjon
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Gojo's red wasn't Low output instead it was weakened by Sukuna's DA though it was pretty much clear Gojo intentionally manipulated red to strike him from behind.
Secondly we see DA was not active when that Red was blasted him
Off-guard is off-guard nothing else. Nah this Gojo glazing should stop. So a character can't get off-guard and hit from behind and get hurt?
He already dropped his guard many times. I don't see why he wouldn't drop his guard when talking instead of fighting. He just likes to enjoy the fight few time it's not like he would be locked in whole fight. Both Gojo and Sukuna were goofing around in the middle of the fight 3 times atleast the time I can count.
Read the first paragraph. Also when Red struck him from behind his DA wasn't active. I literally posted the scan. It wasn't even low output as you make it look like Gojo intentionally manipulated trajectory and sent it from back to attack Sukuna
If Red was so effective he wouldn't be sneaking around. He could have blasted Sukuna head on.
Red already has twice the output of CE from Gojo's. So I don't see how that's gonna answer anything here and this is irrelevant. Sukuna wasn't using DA at that time. We are talking about chapter 232 events not chapter 226.
EldemadeDityjon
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Meguna was already matching up with Gojo. I don't see how Heian Era Sukuna loses in LS
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That seal is for cursed spirits, not cursed objects though. It wouldn't make sense for the breaking of the seal to interact with Yuji, since we saw Kenjaku affect those with cursed objects like him in completely separate instance.
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I just wanna say this "Sukuna didn't care about winning, only adapting" is sheer headcanon. The second Sukuna won the domain clash the first thing he did was concentrate his slashes on Gojo's neck, yet he wasn't trying to kill Gojo? The reason he used 10s inside the domain clashes was to protect himself from UV, which proved to be a necessary sacrifice given how the fight turned out.
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we literally see Gojo's neck get slashed from all angles before any other slashes appear elsewhere on his body
EldemadeDityjon
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That was visual representation nothing states he was aiming at neck. His domain attacks anything with CE on it.
You think he was just getting cut under neck only?
He makes his points clear twice
He could have just said I will kill you. Instead he makes it clear that he will adapt to Gojo's infinity.
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Right, it's just "visuals", even though we get several panels of Gojo's concentrating his RCT on his neck as the slashes attack ONLY there before the slashes then more broadly attack the rest of his body. The sequence of events simply didn't canonically happen, it was just Gege trolling!!!That was visual representation nothing states he was aiming at neck. His domain attacks anything with CE on it.
You think he was just getting cut under neck only?First attack representation was just giving Gojo fan girls a heart attack lol
The reason why he specifies why he's targeting Gojo's infinity is because bypassing that is what's required for Sukuna to win and is something he cannot do by himself in a way which Gojo can't just overcome (DA & DE). If I'm fighting someone with a gun and my first act is to disarm them, does that mean I'm not fighting to win?He makes his points clear twice
He could have just said I will kill you. Instead he makes it clear that he will adapt to Gojo's infinity.
EldemadeDityjon
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You already have your answer. Lol
- Sukuna didn't had to specify that. He could have stand there watch Gojo getting ripped to pieces inside his Closed Barriers Domain.
- If Gojo doens't have his domain Sukuna has no reason for Mahogara or DA. He can let MS handle the work.
Idk what you are trying to say because Sukuna's case is different. He was trying to win but his purpose was winning by creating a new technique with Mahogara's adaptation. I never said he was only fighting to create the technique but his main purpose is winning by creating a new technique.
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The agenda most prolong to the point we'll classify what happens in the manga as visual representation in hopes of disregarding it.That was visual representation nothing states he was aiming at neck. His domain attacks anything with CE on it.
You think he was just getting cut under neck only?First attack representation was just giving Gojo fan girls a heart attack lol
He makes his points clear twice
He could have just said I will kill you. Instead he makes it clear that he will adapt to Gojo's infinity.
EldemadeDityjon
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We literally have Tornado based MS and Gojo vs Sukuna MS looks different than Shibuya MS. So I believe this is just visual representation.
Otherwise you can also say Sukuna was testing Gojo's strength? Either way it was clear Sukuna wanted to get rid of infinity first.
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Your position is purely assumptive then, we have no reason to doubt what we see on the page is what occurred.
Sukuna's MS wasn't enough to kill Gojo, even if you want to say he could no longer RCT through the slashes due to his head injury he still demonstrated to possess anti-domain techniques refined enough to make his cleaves papercuts, is able to destroy Sukuna's domain from within, and could likely teleport out according to Kusakabe. Sukuna's DE simply wasn't a win con for him, hence why he admits after the fight that his slashes weren't enough to kill Gojo without them being a WCS.
He never once states he only wants to win via creating a new technique, like again you'd think if this was Gege's intention and Sukuna's overarching plan he'd give some indication towards it and yet the best you have is "well Sukuna talked about wanting to bypass Gojo's infinity a few times!" as if that's not a necessary prerequisite to beating Gojo.
The tornado one was created from an incomplete domain, hence why Sukuna wouldn't have used it, and idk how his Shibuya domain looks different or why an aesthetic difference of a CT be relevant to the actual chronological order of events in the story.
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Remember what Greg took from us
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You have to point out why their differing matters, all I get from this is a non sequitur.
P1: X looks different than the other time X was used
C: X's differential looks is therefore a visual representation.
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This means nothing, Sukuna can want that while also trying to kill Gojo, since infinity is a huge defense mechanism that needs to be dealt with in order to kill Gojo, which is what we see him do with his domain. Btw Sukuna's statement of wanting to adapt to infinity is made when he knows Gojo doesn't have his domain anymore while thinking he has his, the risk factors has changed drastically for Sukuna, the ''I'll even'' part also suggests that this wasn't prioritised compared to carving Gojo into pieces. Not that these claims need to be pushed back that much, given we have literally evidence of Sukuna trying to kill Gojo with him slicing his neck in the DE clashes.
EldemadeDityjon
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Your position is also assumption that Gege wasn't trolling then.
His anti domain technique were already getting wrecked by Sukuna's MS even when Gojo was 100% health. We are talking about Gojo whose brain got fried. Couldn't even stand properly. Also Gojo can't & has zero feats or statements for teleporting out of the any barriers let alone Domain.
It's a Wincon against brain fried Gojo.
- Low output both CT And RCT
- Sealed inside the domain which we don't know how many minutes he has to endure it. His output was getting reduced the longer the fight was going on.
He wanted a technique based on his slashes that's already shows he wanted to upgrade his CT. If he wanted to win why didn't he made Mahogara cut Gojo in half instead of made him cut his hand only and waited and copied that technique to himself? Think brother think. You think it was hard for Mahogara to cut Gojo in half when Sukuna can do that Gojo couldn't even react to his hand getting sliced apart?
He clearly made adaptation proceed based on his original CT. He never tried to kill Gojo with Mahogara. Which already backs up my point.
Shibuya domain and recent chapter domain looks somewhat similar (except Tornado part) & New domain doesn't have any new function as far as it was stated. Sukuna's Shibuya Domain was also placed above ground.
Anyway if you still disagree. Then agree to disagree. I have other work to do I can't keep arguing here with this. Let's end this here.
EldemadeDityjon
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Not gonna keep repeating the same so cya later.
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All of Sukuna's feats are actually visual representations, they don't look identical so that's what we can conclude.
EldemadeDityjon
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Reading Sakamoto days so can't really waste any time. Just 20 more chapters remaining to catch up to latest chapter.
Giannysmag
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Glad to see Peakamoto days is getting more traction, hopefully we can get some actually decent profilesReading Sakamoto days so can't really waste any time. Just 20 chapters remaining to catch up to latest chapter.
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lmfaoooooo
Kusakabe and Hakari state he can do it, the only reason he didn't is due to CT burn out from his domain collapses, either way we're literally told that it's only later in the fight does Gojo, for the FIRST time, think he MIGHT lose, meaning he clearly disagrees with you here that Sukuna's DE would slam him. Who's more reliable, a six eyes user fighting Sukuna or a powerscaler who thinks I need to PROVE that panels are canon in the chapter...
There's no evidence the slash wasn't intended to be fatal. The reason it cut the arm could be from Gojo dodging given in the panel he's mid-dash to the side.
That's just a range thing, something not relevant to the domain clash with Gojo.Shibuya domain and recent chapter domain looks somewhat similar (except Tornado part) & New domain doesn't have any new function as far as it was stated. Sukuna's Shibuya Domin was also placed above ground.
EldemadeDityjon
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I'm planning on creating Nagumo and others few profiles. That verse needs calculations. Btw we can discuss this on SD discussion thread if you are interested. Well just wait for today I will finish reading the remaining chapters.
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Dogshit argument
Whoever else thinks or says this is also smoking fanfiction cognitive bias agenda
Mf's nowadays too complacent after Sukuna barely succeeded in winning that they forgot he did this with a convenient technique he was planning to get from the very beginning to use against gojo
since he had no other arsenal to do that besides DE that failed. Da close quarter combat ain't work either 
Gojo always humbling him.
