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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Ourosboros said:
What is this referencing? All I can think of is Machine God Shunpo saying he will begin at Mach 3 and accelerate before Sonic clowns on him
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I mean, Sonic pretty effortlessly destroys mach 3 dude, right? And since mach 3 is Shunpo's starting speed, I guess he's like, mach 10? 15? 20? At his peak by implications. And Sonic destroys him anyways.

A high-tier character speed-blitzing someone else who's implied to be low-end hypersonic isn't an anti-feat at all, it implies like mach 50-100 minimum which is pretty insane by manga statement standards. If anything it shows how Sonic has grown since he earned the title "speed of sound" before the beginning of the Series, now he's blitzing people who would have blitzed his young self.

The real anti-feat is Genos still getting his arm ripped off by a demon-level threat. That one pisses me off
 
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We just need the Mach 3 statement to be included in the manga, and then we can compete with the Mach 3 JJK agenda. Also the WC statement that base Metal Bat is below Mach 1 if I recall correctly. That'd be peak.
 
Raiden38 said:
if it were as you say Tatsumaki would be turbo eliminated by Flashy flash but it don't think The superior speed is enough, even the 2 ninjas who fought with Flashy flash talked about using speed to take down the espers but I think it wouldn't have worked out for them if they went against Tatsumaki...and then Tatsumaki telekinesis works from a distance of hundreds of kilometers and if the distance is not that close All for One won't be able to do anything and his space hax requires him to move his hands and while he does it Tatsumaki already holds him still and squeezes him like a dirty and wet rag even having an immensely superior LS won't be able to do anything AFO also because Tatsumaki just needs the thought to eliminate AFO
and then Afo is ftl only with the rewind which is really horrible for him if it is not from close range because if Tatsumaki manages to do some damage to him Afo will immediately regress to the child version or disappear directly
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I don't really see a problem with ninjas killing Tatsumaki due to her speed if she doesn't put up any defenses before the fight. Indeed, Hayato and Flame mentioned such an ability. But I'm more talking about abilities that bypass durability. In any case, the speed difference in any version is enough to make him unhittable. Imagine an enemy attacking you at 500 to 1400 m/s, even though you have the speed of a human. That's the speed difference according to their profiles on the wiki. No amount of thinking will help here, not even distance. Except perhaps the monstrous range, and even then, if her radius attacks can hit him, because concentrating on such a small but fast point would be difficult. And then he will simply tear Tatsumaki apart.

You can't really focus on a person moving at near-hypersonic speeds, even from a distance, because they'll be constantly moving, and their body will be too small and twitchy for you to be able to do anything while they're moving.

Only attacks with a huge destructive radius would help, but then again, they're slow compared to them. Upon seeing them, they could flee or simply conceal their presence while they approach.
 
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Raiden38 said:
he can't if Tatsumaki blocks him with his thoughts and eliminates him. Afo doesn't have an attack that instantly eliminates the enemy and space manipulation doesn't work instantly so in those few seconds until proven otherwise AFO will be stopped while he's making the movement with his hands and Tatsumaki will eliminate him.
the speed works up to a certain point and the fact that afo's spatial manipulation doesn't work immediately gives Tatsumaki the chance to block him before anything else and disappear him
for me Tatsumaki stomps 8 times out of 10
he just has to look at Afo for a moment and the latter ends up like Gyoro gyoro
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That's not true, by the way. Even Nomu used it directly in combat against Mirko, who was comparable in speed to him, while she was moving; I'd even say she was faster than him. AFO has the same ability, but probably better.

So yes, according to our wiki rules, he'll kill her, definitely at close range, as well as at medium range. At extreme range, it's debatable.
 
Swagoorago said:
Says the Solo Leveling guy ...this joke writes itself lmao, anyway if you read what i said which seems you didnt outside of not taking this place "scaling" seriously at all as i said i am in most of these sites for "Series discussion" not "Power scaling".

i dont care about my hero its just one of the easiest example to use here but if you want to believe Deku and Co doing stuff in movies that takes place very early in the series but they do feats that makes their entire manga Run feats look like a joke well be my guest i guess lol, you probably think universal Jin wo is a thing too.

and you talking about OPM being inconsistent like its the peak of inconsistency when its one of the least inconsistent mangas ever and one of the most mangas that "Shows" Feats instead of yapping about them while their best showing like hill level or smthn and yet you get people trying to downplay it with stuff that you might think they are saying these stuff while on drugs lmfao.

Also i am not even sure what the whole AFO thing even about all i got from seeing a guy randomly commenting on it here is you all think he's faster than tatsumaki (which is a big LOL) and that he's out there using his powers and spaital powers (does he even have those outside of kurigiri one) like he's some super genius when the dude have the combined brain power of 2 brain cells, the guy who lived like 200 years almost uncontested only taking easy straight forward powers when he could of took a couple varied hard to use but OP powers , learned them and mastered them in a few years which he easily could considering random ass kids can do it in such a short time, if he did that then he could of taken any OP power he wanted after since most powers will be easy to use , are basically the same as ones he already have or very similar so it wouldnt matter and with the rare few new stuff that he should be able to learn and master quickly with his experince.

BUT nope his Big Brain managed to get him to do 2 things for 99% of his showings "ME MAKE BIG FIST AND PUNCH STRONK" and "ME MAKE BIG LAZER SHOCKWAVE THINGY AND SHOOT PEW PEW" yet you are acting like he's out here faster than FF and a big genius using his spaital powers like Blast, or like that kid with lazer belly button making everyone FTL when his lazer is slower than goddamn Tape like lmfao

also do people forget that a heavily injured almost out of battle tatsumaki sensed blast using his spaital powers from inside god dimension that were dozen or more KM underground so it dosent matter eitherway, also i dont think we saw it but i am like 90% sure she can or at least could easily use or learn how to use Spaital powers if she wanted to considering she can easily sense them like that.

Anyway again idrc as i mostly care about series discussions rather than scaling so this whole funky scaling you all do (here or in any other site) is nothing more than a funny joke to me lol.
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I don't understand what you're doing on this wiki and forum if you're not interested in profile stats. AFO is faster via profile. This is objective in fact, and not because it is accepted on the forum, but in general. If you don't like something, make a thread about it. But you shouldn't be so aggressive and toxic anyway. Your mentions of Jin-Woo and Solo-Leveling were just unnecessary emotion. Campo1uc is absolutely right in this dialogue, unlike you, he did not mention which titles you like just to seem more confident. Otherwise, there is nothing to respond to here, just some aggressive stream of consciousness. You are acting like a child.
 
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Kin201 said:
We just need the Mach 3 statement to be included in the manga, and then we can compete with the Mach 3 JJK agenda.
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Well I guess it would just mean that Cursed Spirit Naoya, Gojo, Sukuna, Dabura, Yuji (maybe some others??) have like mid dragon level speed which is pretty cool
Kin201 said:
Also the WC statement that base Metal Bat is below Mach 1 if I recall correctly. That'd be peak.
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Now THIS is a propah anti-feat. Erimin and Destro imply that the pumped up version of Metal Bat that started out the fight surpassed mach 1 combat speeds

The manga does not seem to be upgrading statements at all so I imagine both of these mach comments will stay
 
Ourosboros said:
Now THIS is a propah anti-feat. Erimin and Destro imply that the pumped up version of Metal Bat that started out the fight surpassed mach 1 combat speeds
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Yeah, when a base or slightly pumped up Metal Bat fights Destro in chapter 137 he swings like 20 times which get blocked but Erimin never mentions him swinging faster than sound at that point. It is only in chapter 152 during their rematch that she acknowledges his swings have surpassed the speed of sound. This is a already pumped up Metal Bat who had been taking damage and bleeding from his own recoil while trying to smash the nano-metal door bare handed.
Ourosboros said:
The manga does not seem to be upgrading statements at all so I imagine both of these mach comments will stay
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I'm like 60% confident they will either omit the statement or upgrade it to a higher figure. They already nuked the Fubuki's statement "strong willpower can resist Tatsumaki's TK" so maybe they will do it again.

But remember that Murata once said Metal Bat is slower than Sonic, who you know, is famously faster than sound.
 
Kin201 said:
Yeah, when a base or slightly pumped up Metal Bat fights Destro in chapter 137 he swings like 30 times which get blocked but Erimin never mentions him swinging faster than sound at that point. It is only in chapter 152 during their rematch that she acknowledges his swings have surpassed the speed of sound. This is a already pumped up Metal Bat who had been taking damage and bleeding from his own recoil while trying to smash the nano-metal door bare handed.

I'm like 60% confident they will either omit the statement or upgrade it to a higher figure. They already nuked the Fubuki's statement "strong willpower can resist Tatsumaki's TK" so maybe they will do it again.
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Lol after everything that's happened with Lightning Core Genos I'm not as confident as I would like to be. Plus, with the webcomic adding another 4-5 months of content for the manga to adapt there's less space for the manga to expand scenes or put off-screen stuff on-screen. Worrier that I am, I feel like ONE will be less conscientious about adjusting smaller details like minor character statements for the manga if he doesn't feel the need to revise a manga scene in some big way
Kin201 said:
But remember that Murata once said Metal Bat is slower than Sonic, who you know, is famously faster than sound.
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In any case Metal Bat has run between cities twice, once to get to Psykos-Orochi and once to fight Kenzan Rat. I'm not saying that implies supersonic travel speed, but the dude has pretty decent subsonic jogging speed in base

Also, worth noting that in the anime scene where the S-class run from under Boros's ship base Metal Bat is faster than PPP and tells him to get out of the way (this would also be a decent subsonic travel speed feat as they travelled 2-4.5 km in under 30 seconds).

I would prefer that the s-class are all generally recognized as supersonic combatwise at a minimum though lol.
 
It's kinda crazy how both the manga and webcomic are putting eachother in dissonance, as in the webcomic reaping benefit on things the manga did leading to many offscreen interactions being taken for granted and the manga using statements and developments that dont make as much sense in the direction it took because it has to follow the webcomic
 
Kin201 said:
They already nuked the Fubuki's statement "strong willpower can resist Tatsumaki's TK" so maybe they will do it again.
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That was in relation to chi manipulation, which is altogether absent from Tatsumaki's moveset in the manga version.
 
Tural2004 said:
That was in relation to chi manipulation, which is altogether absent from Tatsumaki's moveset in the manga version.
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Her Chi Manipulation derives from her TK, yeah. The statement is that strong will gives resistance to psychic power overall, not a specific technique.
 
Kin201 said:
Her Chi Manipulation derives from her TK, yeah. The statement is that strong will gives resistance to psychic power overall, not a specific technique.
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Not going to lie, I honestly miss those chi statements.

I know I'm being a stereotypical powerscaler but it would be nice if Atomic and Bang talked more about how "chi manipulation" powers their techniques. I have chosen a series where people just hit hard for no particular reason beyond genetic ability 90% of the time, but I would like there to be a power system that I can point to and explain in cross-verse matches instead of "it just works like that bro"

Would make certain match-ups more interesting and nuanced
 
DarthSpiderr said:
I don't really see a problem with ninjas killing Tatsumaki due to her speed if she doesn't put up any defenses before the fight. Indeed, Hayato and Flame mentioned such an ability. But I'm more talking about abilities that bypass durability. In any case, the speed difference in any version is enough to make him unhittable. Imagine an enemy attacking you at 500 to 1400 m/s, even though you have the speed of a human. That's the speed difference according to their profiles on the wiki. No amount of thinking will help here, not even distance. Except perhaps the monstrous range, and even then, if her radius attacks can hit him, because concentrating on such a small but fast point would be difficult. And then he will simply tear Tatsumaki apart.

You can't really focus on a person moving at near-hypersonic speeds, even from a distance, because they'll be constantly moving, and their body will be too small and twitchy for you to be able to do anything while they're moving.

Only attacks with a huge destructive radius would help, but then again, they're slow compared to them. Upon seeing them, they could flee or simply conceal their presence while they approach.
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aside from the fact that Tatsumaki can physically handle an electric shock from Psykorochi so I'd say that physically he's not weak at all and could tank Hellfire and Galewind's attacks imo but the fact is that reviewing Mirko's situation with the nomu she was busy attacking multiple nomu at the same time and one of the High Ends who wasn't among the nomu who were being attacked simply had time to make the twisting gesture with his hands to activate the spatial manipulation because Mirko was busy elsewhere and the latter had noticed that the High End was using the quirk and Mirko wasn't oneshotted then one can ask why the nomu instead of tearing off his arms with spatial manipulation didn't directly attack his head? Even Afo, when he uses spatial manipulation, doesn't attack the fake Hawks' head... then the speed difference doesn't matter when to activate your only victory condition you need a bit of time to activate the quirk and that time is enough for Tatsumaki to block it with telekinesis and win. Let's remember that Tatsumaki just fought a horde of insects that covered an entire region and she took them all. Let's also remember that during the MA arc she managed to cover practically all the heroes present in the lair with barriers thousands of kilometers deep even while they were moving without them noticing with millimetric precision and they are all beyond hypersonic while simultaneously raising the entire base of the monster association... Afo's only win condition is spatial manipulation which, from what we've seen even from the nomu, takes a few seconds to be used and Tatsumaki just needs to know that Afo is in her range and she will block him immediately. If there was Shigaraki instead of Afo I would have agreed with you since the decay is practically an instant win against Tatsumaki from medium or short range if Shigaraki blitzes her but the spatial manipulation is not the decay and does not work instantly it needs time and the high end who used this hax against Mirko took a few seconds to make the spatial manipulation work but if Afo does not hit Tatsumaki directly in the head she eliminates him with her mind and then regardless of how fast you are if you do not have an instant win against Tatsumaki she simply has you in range and will take you out Afo cannot win unless the latter does not immediately use the spatial quirk and Tatsumaki remains still for a few seconds to be used against the quirk and Afo does not attack her in the head and I want to remember that even characters immensely inferior to Afo are able to react to the spatial manipulation and bait Afo while he wanted to kill Hawks and Afo as a weak point also has the fact that he prefers not to kill his opponents immediately but to crush them emotionally and this can also lead to his defeat because Tatsumaki needs practically nothing to block and take him out regardless of how fast Afo is as long as the latter is in his range Tatsumaki will stop him and start squeezing him like a wet and dirty sock and Afo will immediately regress to the state of non-existent being
 
DarthSpiderr said:
That's not true, by the way. Even Nomu used it directly in combat against Mirko, who was comparable in speed to him, while she was moving; I'd even say she was faster than him. AFO has the same ability, but probably better.

So yes, according to our wiki rules, he'll kill her, definitely at close range, as well as at medium range. At extreme range, it's debatable.
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Note how the high end who uses spatial manipulation against Mirko is on the sidelines while the latter is attacking other nomu and is being attacked by other nomu and how in the anime it is also shown that the high end takes a little while for the spatial quirk to work on Mirko and Afo until proven otherwise has the exact same quirk... then I believe that Afo can kill Tatsumaki only under certain conditions that I have already expressed above especially if they are very far away there Tatsumaki has an easy life

Anyway, I wouldn't continue the discussion. If you want to talk about it, you can show me the Battle Wiki discord and we can talk about it there...
Even though I shouldn't be thinking lately given my physical condition, we could postpone the discussion until I'm better and open a versus thread so as not to clog up the general thread
 
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Raiden38 said:
aside from the fact that Tatsumaki can physically handle an electric shock from Psykorochi so I'd say that physically he's not weak at all and could tank Hellfire and Galewind's attacks imo but the fact is that reviewing Mirko's situation with the nomu she was busy attacking multiple nomu at the same time and one of the High Ends who wasn't among the nomu who were being attacked simply had time to make the twisting gesture with his hands to activate the spatial manipulation because Mirko was busy elsewhere and the latter had noticed that the High End was using the quirk and Mirko wasn't oneshotted then one can ask why the nomu instead of tearing off his arms with spatial manipulation didn't directly attack his head? Even Afo, when he uses spatial manipulation, doesn't attack the fake Hawks' head... then the speed difference doesn't matter when to activate your only victory condition you need a bit of time to activate the quirk and that time is enough for Tatsumaki to block it with telekinesis and win. Let's remember that Tatsumaki just fought a horde of insects that covered an entire region and she took them all. Let's also remember that during the MA arc she managed to cover practically all the heroes present in the lair with barriers thousands of kilometers deep even while they were moving without them noticing with millimetric precision and they are all beyond hypersonic while simultaneously raising the entire base of the monster association... Afo's only win condition is spatial manipulation which, from what we've seen even from the nomu, takes a few seconds to be used and Tatsumaki just needs to know that Afo is in her range and she will block him immediately. If there was Shigaraki instead of Afo I would have agreed with you since the decay is practically an instant win against Tatsumaki from medium or short range if Shigaraki blitzes her but the spatial manipulation is not the decay and does not work instantly it needs time and the high end who used this hax against Mirko took a few seconds to make the spatial manipulation work but if Afo does not hit Tatsumaki directly in the head she eliminates him with her mind and then regardless of how fast you are if you do not have an instant win against Tatsumaki she simply has you in range and will take you out Afo cannot win unless the latter does not immediately use the spatial quirk and Tatsumaki remains still for a few seconds to be used against the quirk and Afo does not attack her in the head and I want to remember that even characters immensely inferior to Afo are able to react to the spatial manipulation and bait Afo while he wanted to kill Hawks and Afo as a weak point also has the fact that he prefers not to kill his opponents immediately but to crush them emotionally and this can also lead to his defeat because Tatsumaki needs practically nothing to block and take him out regardless of how fast Afo is as long as the latter is in his range Tatsumaki will stop him and start squeezing him like a wet and dirty sock and Afo will immediately regress to the state of non-existent being
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I'm tired and too lazy to read, you win.
Raiden38 said:
Anyway, I wouldn't continue the discussion. If you want to talk about it, you can show me the Battle Wiki discord and we can talk about it there...
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English isn't my native language, and it's stressful for me to reply to you even with short text messages. So, I doubt we'll have a long conversation.

Raiden38 said:
Even though I shouldn't be thinking lately given my physical condition, we could postpone the discussion until I'm better and open a versus thread so as not to clog up the general thread
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Get well.
 
DarthSpiderr said:
I don't understand what you're doing on this wiki and forum if you're not interested in profile stats. AFO is faster via profile. This is objective in fact, and not because it is accepted on the forum, but in general. If you don't like something, make a thread about it. But you shouldn't be so aggressive and toxic anyway. Your mentions of Jin-Woo and Solo-Leveling were just unnecessary emotion. Campo1uc is absolutely right in this dialogue, unlike you, he did not mention which titles you like just to seem more confident. Otherwise, there is nothing to respond to here, just some aggressive stream of consciousness. You are acting like a child.
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its like you missed the whole statement of me saying i am mainly here for series discussions and the whole "biased funky scaling" you all do is none of importance to me outside of a chuckle
 
shame about Blue I would have liked to see him fight more but for the rest nice drawings as ever...
and I never expected to see Machine God mirror vs Rover
 
Kachon123 said:
Stopped getting notifications and missed the discussion 😭

Pretty decent chapter
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For some reason this keeps happening to me also... the internet is trying to sabotage us

Obligatory comment that yes, the chapters are short. It seems that Murata is very consistent with only doing 16-20 pages per week- these releases are almost always actually half chapters that will be combined into 30-40 page chapters in the volume releases (note that 'chapters 227-228' have the same name and will be fused)

Anyways, so uhh...
I'm still suspicious if Blue actually killed Eel Dragon here or if the Organization just 'deactivated' it by flipping some installed kill-switch. I don't like the fact that we never see Blue hit the monster in the manga or WC, so it's impossible to gauge how much damage his attacks were actually doing or what exactly he did (where is the battle damage on its skin?? I can't even see where it was punched/stabbed/whatever'ed).

However, Blue's little hoverbike thing has pretty insane travel speed- we should definitely calc the distance from wherever he fought Shell King and Eel Dragon to the Hero Association and try to give a timeline on how long it takes him to arrive.

Finally, insane Suiko upscale. We'll have to calculate how strong these miniature bombs are because Suiko is actually parrying them- that's top 5 A-class stuff right there. She's also outrunning them which is a calcable speed feat. Maybe she'll be much stronger in the manga after all...

That said, these bombs aren't very dangerous looking for a dragon level threat, it looks like 9-A+ or 8-C sized explosions at a glance.

Rover and Black S joining this fight is unexpected, perhaps they'll replace Butterfly DX and Chain N' Toad? Or maybe the entire fight with Machine God Miller will just be expanded. Black S and Rover fighting here has serious plot implications IF the Hero Association realizes they're the ones doing the fighting.

If they don't realize that Black S and Rover are doing this, they may be convinced that Suiko has some kind of magical ability where she can block god orbs at a distance. If that's the case she'll get promoted in A class very fast. The least interesting possibility is that King WILL show up in the manga and will obviously receive the credit, but that could be fun too because it could affect how the Organization sees King.

Looking forward to the rest of this Machine God Miller fight.
 
Blue is Norman Osborn anyway😂

If Mirror manages to hurt Overgrown Rover there could be big changes here we will see if Blue joins the fight or will arrive at the last minute like in the webcomic...if he fought and did something it would be a solution to the disappointment of not seeing him fight against Eel Dragon
However, it seems that Suiko can somewhat replicate the WSRSF.
 
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