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My final proposal is this: remove Infinite Speed and replace the Rage section with what's below.
I say we leave X-Axis as it's currently listed on the profile: Durability Negation and Spatial Manipulation.
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Removal of Infinite Attack Speed in Bleach
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Well, it's shown him creating a distortion in space to go after an enemy, so I think that should work.
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Im done with this thread, respectfully.
My arguments are using the wiki definitions, and have not been refuted in the slightest.
They've literally been ignored.
My arguments are using the wiki definitions, and have not been refuted in the slightest.
They've literally been ignored.
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Who decided that ?
All jokes aside I am fine with that maybe we can flesh it out a bit more,
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(If you didn't know, attacks, effects, including spatial hax or attacks can be omnipresent in nature)
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That's contradicting it's nature which has already been established to ignore distance. What exactly are we saying here?
You're conflating instantaneous interaction with speed. Those are not inherently the same thing.
Infinite Speed still fundamentally involves movement/traversal. The whole point is that distance is crossed through velocity in zero time. X-Axis doesn't do that. It doesn't accelerate through space, it doesn’t traverse the gap, and it doesn't propagate from point A to point B. The attack simply ignores intervening distance altogether.
If distance is bypassed rather than crossed, then there is no speed involved to quantify in the first place. Saying “it hits instantly” is not enough. Teleportation also happens instantly, almost any hax quite literally happened instantly (as @DontTalkDT already pointed out), but nobody calls teleportation Infinite Speed because no traversal occurred.
The “unconventional” argument doesn't fix this either. Unconventional Infinite Speed would still need to be a form of movement. Otherwise literally every spatial hax, portal attack, coordinate manipulation, or causality-based (this is Kumagawa) hit becomes Infinite Speed by default, which destroys the distinction between speed and hax entirely. The question isn't whether physics allows it (because for some reason you're applying science paper into this as if fiction follows them at all time). Fiction ignores physics all the time. The question is whether the mechanism is movement or spatial negation. And X-Axis is the latter.
Keyword “very similar”, I never said they're an exact pair. The point is that, similar cases such as “removing time-frame” or “ignoring distance” isn't quantifiable nor is it evident for it to be Infinite Speed, it's just hax.
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A little too wordy.
You're not being ignored; it's just that Nigh-Omnipresence is unnecessary when Range does the job just fine.
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That debate ended already, my guy.
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Leaving for a few hours and the thread suddenly has 6 pages. Man, they grow up so fast.
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Works for me like I said before as long as it's aptly indexed as in gets the work done with explaining to everyone unfamiliar with the series I don't mind the method used.
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I believe the 48-hour waiting period has already passed. Are Lille Barro and Yhwach the only ones scaled to infinite speed? Someone should remove infinite speed from the profiles.
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HyperboleThere's no concept of dodging X-Axis and dodging requires space and time, therefore the very concepts of space and time are inferior to X-Axis which means it's 1-A, so it has irrelevant speed. Problem solved.
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Enough people have already agreed to the removal of Infinite Speed.
Damage and I seem to be on the same page regarding Spatial Manipulation, but Lephyr disagrees, and the difference in votes isn't big enough to apply changes. So basically, we need one more.
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Okay, do you agree with coordinates A and B being affected simultaneously and every other coordinate between or not?
Im saying it's omnipresent within the range that is being presented.
Which so far, has not been disputed, the only thing that has been done so far is avoidance.
It's not "unnecessary", as that's exactly what is happening here, you simply chose to ignore it.
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I understand, Dalesean027 seem to agree with your reasoning above.
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Oh in that case, we're good.
I don't understand what you're saying.
Range already implies the character can hit qanything within sed range. What is Nigh-Omnipresence useful for in this context? What is it telling us, that range alone, is not telling us?
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Isn't his just hitscan gun in game dev terms? Bog standard FPS like counter strike have it on every gun, idk how that is spatial manip.
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I will go ahead and apply the revisions and remove Infinite Speed, as that is the core of this thread.
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That's not the spatial manipulation part that's the range part, the spatial manipulation part is the durability negation effect it applies on targets and everything in between.
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does spawning attacks on target give dura neg now?
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Please read the entire thread, this point has been heavily discussed and refuted as far back as the first page.
X-axis penetrates (physically) anything between the muzzle and the target in no time, take the muzzle starting at coordinate (1,2,3) and the target is at (500,2,3) it physically manifests across that distance
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I can agree with this, if only cause of a lack of better options
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yknow we should have a damage inducement power page for attacks that simply induce damage with no apparent cause at all. i dunno if this one would fall under it rather than spatial manip but yea.
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If you do, let me know. I've run into that issue several times. We have something for transfer, reducing it, and boosting it, but not for just causing it.
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The revisions have been applied.
The removal of infinite speed from the files of Yhwach and Lille Barro has been completed, and the following justification has been added to Lille Barro’s range section:
The removal of infinite speed from the files of Yhwach and Lille Barro has been completed, and the following justification has been added to Lille Barro’s range section:
This topic can now be closed.
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- The X-Axis:
- Spatial Manipulation & Durability Negation (Lille can uniformly penetrate anything in-between his gun and target without prejudice. There are no bullets to this gun<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lille_Barro#cite_note-"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>, and it is impossible to dodge the gun<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lille_Barro#cite_note-"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>)
- Enhanced Intangibility (The true ability of The X-Axis is to become intangible. This ability is accessed by Lille "opening his eyes." Even Zanpakuto from Captain Class Shinigami can't touch Lille<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lille_Barro#cite_note-"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>)
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