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Issues with a few NNT speed calcs.

The thing is that FC needs proper reaction speed to work effectively. For example, if Meliodas were slower than lightning, he wouldn’t be able to reflect Gilthunder’s lightning. However, if Meliodas’ reaction speed was a few times faster than lightning he would be able to reflect multiple attacks from Gilthunder and blitz him a few times. I really don't get why people only think that you need to be the same speed and you can't have higher reaction speed.
 
Can’t we downscale his movements based on the end position of his arm and the distance the lightning travelled from the point of contact?

Assuming the point of interception is at 90 degrees from his 180 swing, the rest of his swing would be moving in tandem with the lightning.
 
speedster352 said:
The thing is that FC needs proper reaction speed to work effectively. For example, if Meliodas were slower than lightning, he wouldn’t be able to reflect Gilthunder’s lightning. However, if Meliodas’ reaction speed was a few times faster than lightning he would be able to reflect multiple attacks from Gilthunder and blitz him a few times. I really don't get why people only think that you need to be the same speed and you can't have higher reaction speed.
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This isn't a thing and never been.
Full Counter is an extremely fast technique that Mel uses by just swinging his sword.

He doesn't need to be faster than those Lightning Beasts, he can be either equal to them or even somewhat slower since they were coming at him 1 by 1 each with enough distance for him to comfortably react and move his hand before they could even reach him.
 
Slacjow said:
This isn't a thing and never been.
Full Counter is an extremely fast technique that Mel uses by just swinging his sword.

He doesn't need to be faster than those Lightning Beasts, he can be either equal to them or even somewhat slower since they were coming at him 1 by 1 each with enough distance for him to comfortably react and move his hand before they could even reach him.
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How would you explain the instances where he blitzes Gilthunder with a lightning timer? The thing is that Meliodas needs to read the timing and the nature of the attack if he was slower than lightning he wouldn't be able to reflect it. He has to be just as fast or faster. Also wasn't there a feat where Meliodas reflected a lightning attack from behind himself? I think that was calculated last time I checked. Also the feat of him saving Elizabeth before that he was moving faster than lightning when he intercepted first for DK Zeldris and the lightning appear to be frozen. So the speed is not inconsistent during the end of the series when Meliodas is clearly faster than Ludoceil who has Speed of light attacks.
 
speedster352 said:
How would you explain the instances where he blitzes Gilthunder with a lightning timer? The thing is that Meliodas needs to read the timing and the nature of the attack if he was slower than lightning he wouldn't be able to reflect it. He has to be just as fast or faster. Also wasn't there a feat where Meliodas reflected a lightning attack from behind himself? I think that was calculated last time I checked. Also the feat of him saving Elizabeth before that he was moving faster than lightning when he intercepted first for DK Zeldris and the lightning appear to be frozen. So the speed is not inconsistent during the end of the series when Meliodas is clearly faster than Ludoceil who has Speed of light attacks.
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Bruh, why the **** are you trying to overcomplicate this possibly the easiest most straightforward feat ever? He had a lifetime to prepare for this attack.
I know you guys are used to going back and forth in circles over the simplest shit, but you are wrong if you think I'll waste hours of my time discussing something so trivial that a 5 year old would understand by looking at a picture.
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Slacjow said:
Bruh, why the **** are you trying to overcomplicate this possibly the easiest most straightforward feat ever? He had a lifetime to prepare for this attack.
I know you guys are used to going back and forth in circles over the simplest shit, but you are wrong if you think I'll waste hours of my time discussing something so trivial that a 5 year old would understand by looking at a picture.
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Meliodas blitzes Gilthunder who is a lightning timer
Here is the calculation I am talking about here Meliodas reflects lighting with his back turned.
Also can you stop generalizing all fans of NNT. All I was doing was just trying to point out a few things. Like not every nnt fan is the same.
Edit another calculation
 
speedster352 said:
Meliodas blitzes Gilthunder who is a lightning timer
Here is the calculation I am talking about here Meliodas reflects lighting with his back turned.
Also can you stop generalizing all fans of NNT. All I was doing was just trying to point out a few things. Like not every nnt fan is the same.
Edit another calculation
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I am not talking about NNT fans specifically.
About the users of this site overall and their tendencies to waste time and clutter threads with irrelevant filler discussions.

Calculations which you are referencing don't matter in this discussion. We are talking about two calcs in the original post. They are unrelated.
 
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