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Lifting Strength Vs Punching Strength (Tatsumaki vs Broly | 22 - 37 - 1)
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LS as a whole has been a little controversial due to some matchups
also not to advertise but cough cough yall should totally check out
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still waiting to see those "aoe 2c shockwaves" that at least hurt regular people in it's range, let alone anything more than that
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If it has been shown once and multiple times at that spanning from more than one 4D construct as seen with BoG even having statements of progressively growing stronger with time why does it need to be something showcased at every given moment? Just like every other franchise, Dragon Ball is notorious for being contaminated with PIS and illogical comments. That’s quite the default for fiction. There’s also Ki Control and selective power exertion which had already been brought up here by someone. Broly can still overwhelm her with his Ki pressure, he can coat her with his Ki via God Bind or straight up inject his Ki inside her internal structures and blow her up. His Ki is doing the heavy lifting here, he legitimately doesn’t need to result to H2H at all. There’s also Kiai which is invisible and would insta kill.
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Genuinely forgot he could pull a reverse telekinesis move on her like he did Goku.
Even so, I agree with your other points too expecting a character to constantly blow up the universe just to prove they are strong is an Area of Effect fallacy. It completely ignores the established canon of Ki Control (Would've been better if they were on a planet like Tensura, though)
Also In Dragon Ball, a significantly higher power level consistently nullifies esoteric abilities. We see this when Vegito retains his power as a piece of candy against Buu, when Goku breaks through Hit’s Time-Skip, or when Jiren shatters Hit's time cage through raw strength. So I don't know how Tats is gonna telekinesis her way out of this and stop Broly from one tapping her.
Even in early series Dragon Ball established incredibly early on that telekinesis is rendered completely useless if the target's physical strength and energy output are drastically higher than the user's. Tatsumaki is trying to grip a multi-universal, dimension-shattering reservoir of energy with a localized psychic net. I don't see that holding up man.
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Was all life wiped out in the near area or?
Sure, doesn't mean we should assume something that hasnt been shown, I want to see Broly doing a shockwave that kills all life below himself in the nearby surroundings as one of his starting moves, before he gets insta bfr'ed by an opponent with prior knowledge
When did Broly do that, or rather when did he do it as his starting move, honestly wouldn't him being bloodlusted reduce the chances of him using more complex techniques than punch and kick, which is what actually seems to be his go to move.
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...I didn't even see that.
Tatsumaki has prior knowledge? Then doesn't she just send him to space and fool Broly with her decoys in a way that won't make him nuke the world?
Bloodlust, sure. But nuking the world for an opponent you think is extremely near you? Even if he's bloodlusted, he wouldn't just insta-nuke the world (Which he wouldn't even survive). Far more likely for him to attack in other ways if she appears as that close.
Tatsumaki has prior knowledge? Then doesn't she just send him to space and fool Broly with her decoys in a way that won't make him nuke the world?
Bloodlust, sure. But nuking the world for an opponent you think is extremely near you? Even if he's bloodlusted, he wouldn't just insta-nuke the world (Which he wouldn't even survive). Far more likely for him to attack in other ways if she appears as that close.
BoastJr
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I was assuming Broly would have a more clear advantage at the beginning of this match which is why I bloodlusted Tats until it was deemed a stomp which lead me to bloodlusting Broly instead
Prior Knowledge seems applicable from what little I seen of Regulus Corneas matches to balance the Hax or AP Oneshot
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Refer to this page https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology. The reasoning for their 2-C rating and how Ki is intrinsically. If their shockwaves are reaching the space times as specified on the very page then Ki by default would reap the benefits of such a feat. Significantly affecting such constructs with range is the very foundation for AOE nuking being probable. We already know how it is with AP so I don’t see myself having to explain here. Trying to go with the logical stance here also isn’t helping either. Buuhan can do something similar with his vice shout which is applicable to those with relativity in power. This isn’t anything new and you don’t need a desired visual representation to accept that. As I said before, you don’t need to be spoon fed every instance individually and in depth when there’s already Ki Control as @Ball_of_light and myself expressed.
It’s not an assumption though? It has been done in the past? Again, nothing new. Are you forgetting Broly is influenced by being bloodlusted and on top of that having heightened aggression and anger due to Super Saiyan? Then there’s also how he had to see his father being killed. Let’s not forget that this isn’t ordinary Super Saiyan but FPSSJ. He isn’t going to hold his punches and you have been given multiple examples of Broly AOE nuking with his aura and Danmaku which comes as a result of AOE nuking. What more do you need? You also aren’t factoring in Broly’s pressure which would physically and mentally disrupt Tatsumaki which no one has seemed to clarify against. Does her supernatural willpower account for that because from the looks of it her supernatural willpower is lacking scans.
Was more me describing how vast Ki can be and the methods he has of killing her. I don’t see Broly using Kiai but Broly doesn’t need to do anything to kill her. He’s already in a powered up state and is exuding very high levels of energy in Tatsumaki’s POV and she’ll feel that since someone here had mentioned she can sense the intensity of Ki. One could argue the pressure and intensity would fry her but if not, I did say her psyche wouldn’t be the norm. I hope you know that even assuming Broly does try using H2H the shockwaves would indeed kill her.
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What if they're the same person?
Mbpoops
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Well the swirl of the root exists in honkai and honkai exists in fortnite… does the swirl of the root actually just exist in every verse including IRL?What if they're the same person?
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Broly FRA
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Satoru Gojo Vs Makima Shinjuku Showdown Gojo will be used Attack Potency: 514 Kilotons of TNT Physically, 1.1 Megatons of TNT with Red Durability: 550 Kilotons of TNT Lifting Strength: Class M Makima Attack Potency: Varies, 550 Tons of TNT physically, 5.5 Kilotons of TNT with 1,000 Years...
Killerdrone123
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Nah a win is a win frWe are not adding this to profiles
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Why are you sending a request to add a match. Both their profiles aren't locked. You can just add it without a request.
CelestialVortex01
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Yeah I agreeWe are not adding this to profiles
OP could js ask mods to move it to Fun n games
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Could someone pls clarify what happened here?
Mbpoops
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You dont wanna know.. the horror…
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If you won't tell me, then I can't proceed with next step
Mbpoops
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Ls meta got diffed by wiki standards basicallyIf you won't tell me, then I can't proceed with next step
Tatsumaki cant lift 2-C(infinite) force with her class Z (finite) LS from what i gsthered by someone correct me if im wrong
Also broly can aura diff her
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Broly with his Infinitely superior AP, DC and Dura beat up a Loli backed by the LS meta.If you won't tell me, then I can't proceed with next step
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She's not a loli though
GodlyCharmander
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Murata and One called her a loli, she has been mistaken as a child in canon, she's by all definitions, a loli character
GodlyCharmander
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Match made to push how far the LS meta can go.
Quite light discussion happened in the beginning, missing a lot of points and even outright saying Tatsumaki could bend a 2-C energy attack because she had a LS advantage over Broly's physical strength (?). That led to quick votes for her, making it a 7-2 by Monday 22:00. Qawsed, right as grace was about to hit, rightfully explained that the pro-Tats argument is not correct and gave valid reasoning for the Broly side. People started to vote en mass for Broly, however, Grace hits with a bit before the vote could be swayed, meaning it was at 7-3 towards Tats when grace hits.
Afterwards, the votes for Broly came en mass, as people began to alter their votes and agree with Qawsed.
Tats side is arguing that, because Grace hit before the Broly vote swing arrived, the match is over and Tatsumaki wins.
Broly side is arguing that, it's unfair since the reasoning for Broly came in late, and people are clearly swayed by it. Making another match is just bureaucracy, and it's making a rule far stricter than it needs to be.
BoastJr
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Back by the LS Meta Tats narrowly won after grace ended but Qawsedf answered in time and proceeded to turn the LS Meta around which caused a massive vote difference with Broly getting back in the game and turning things aroundIf you won't tell me, then I can't proceed with next step
There was crazy back and forth with the AP Meta versus the LS Meta until the AP Meta won by a whooping landslide with 15 vote difference.. making Broly one of the first characters to defeat the LS Meta once and for all
This was genuinely crazy.. it was a complete warzone by two polar opposite factions
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what the ****
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The tatsumaki votes are in bold, does that mean our votes count for double? (it should)
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truth bomb...
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Grace time is mainly there to prevent a matchup from being added prematurely, it isn't meant to instantly lock all discussion the moment it expires. Both sides are supposed to have the opportunity to present and defend their arguments. The fact that Qawsed's argument came late doesn't really matter if the match was still under discussion and hadn't yet been added to the profiles.
Votes are also not static, they can change whenever new reasoning is presented. If a valid counterargument is made after grace and it clearly influences people's positions, I don't think it should simply be ignored. In this case, the shift toward Broly happened because people found the reasoning more convincing, not because of any procedural issue. So, in my view i think it's fine to continue the discussion and the final outcome should reflect the arguments that participants ultimately found more persuasive, rather than being decided solely by the exact moment grace expired.
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Btw this is an old tactic: when a character starts losing, their supporters begin to deliberately make the discussion toxic so a mod comes, looks and say “well this become toxic i'm gonna close it” and in the end the fight isn’t added.
I think the moderators need to be mindful of this because this approach ends up benefiting the toxic users.
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Match added btw
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