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1-C Phantom Ruby

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hey, it's me (again) I'm here for a pretty simple upgrade.


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Phantom Ruby is still incredibly powerful and has been theorized to be a source of unspeakable power. When channeling its power, the Phantom King became powerful enough to bypass the invulnerability granted by a super transformation. Similarly, the Ruby itself can also restrain the Chaos Emeralds and cancel out a super transformation. The Phantom Ruby's abilities are said by Doctor Eggman to surpass even those of the Master Emerald, to the extent that it affected the Master Emerald's ability to keep Angel Island afloat, causing the island to fall back into the ocean. Eggman even used Phantom Ruby to create a fake Super form that could allow him to fight Super Sonic, and he succeeded.

Possibly Anti-Feats: Infinite lost to Base Sonic.

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However, the producers say that Infinite is the strongest Sonic Villain. The reason for his loss may be the same as Super Neo Metal fighting Super Sonic in the game but losing to Base Shadow in the Comic. Emeralds reach 1-C at their peak, but do not always reach the peak of their power. This eliminates any possible conflict if Infinite was unable to use the full power of the Phantom Ruby. Infinite's defeat is not a debunk for the statements I made.

What do you think guys?

Agree:
Disagree: @LaserPrecision
Neutral:
 
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There are plans to update Lightman's Ruby to 1-C, but that's the only valid 1-C feat. Eggman's statement is too vague and Phantom King doesn't fight 1-C Super Sonic.
 
Theuser789 said:
There are plans to update Lightman's Ruby to 1-C, but that's the only valid 1-C feat. Eggman's statement is too vague and Phantom King doesn't fight 1-C Super Sonic.
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Personally, I would trust the statement of a scientist like Eggman who devoted his life to capturing the emeralds.
 
Hypercyber37 said:
it affected the Master Emerald's ability to keep Angel Island afloat, causing the island to fall back into the ocean.
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If you provide a link for this, we can give the Phantom Ruby Power Nullification from it.

As for what you're actually proposing, while I don't think it's impossible, I do think you need to gather more evidence to make your case. Disagree for User's reasons.
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
If you provide a link for this, we can give the Phantom Ruby Power Nullification from it.

As for what you're actually proposing, while I don't think it's impossible, I do think you need to gather more evidence to make your case. Disagree for User's reasons.
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It took time because I was in the military. I'm sorry I'm late. I've placed more evidence for Eggman's Statement. It looks like Eggman didn't just claim it, he practiced it.
 
WITH SUCH POWER, I WON'T EVEN NEED TO BOTHER WITH THE MASTER EMERALD
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How is this a "vague statement"? He claims that with the amount of power the Phantom Ruby has, he no longer needs the Master Emerald.
 
It was stated the Master Emerald's true power can be only used by the Echidnas, and that’s why Super Mecha Sonic Mk. II is only rated as at least Low 2-C instead of Low 1-C, despite it being powered by the Master Emerald.
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Eggman can only access 2-C amounts of power from the Master Emerald, so using that statement for 1-C scaling doesn't work.
 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Eggman can only access 2-C amounts of power from the Master Emerald, so using that statement for 1-C scaling doesn't work.
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Nope. Conflicting argument as characters of different Characters such as Sonic, Shadow and Silver have access to this power.
 
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Because of an enhanced Phantom Ruby prototype
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Yep. but this friend called 2-C. And Prototypes are weaker than Original Ruby🗿

"And with that, the disposal of the Phantom Ruby prototypes is complete.
It was a defective model. It could only record the DNA of the one that triggered it."

Infinite and Dr. Eggman, Sonic Forces
 
Hypercyber37 said:
Nope. Conflicting argument as characters of different Characters such as Sonic, Shadow and Silver have access to this power.
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Except they don't. They're never seen using the Master Emerald nor their full power. The closest thing to that is the Master Emerald empowering the Chaos Emeralds to become the Super Emeralds for Hyper Sonic to be.
 
Phantom Ruby taking Super Sonic out of his Super Form isn't really indicative of them being superior to the Emeralds. Just means it has Power Null on a level Super Sonic can't resist. You can argue them being able to harm Super's is valid, but Classic Super Sonic is going to get downgraded to 2-C or Low 2-C IIRC. So that won't really matter.
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The Phantom Ruby's abilities are said by Doctor Eggman to surpass even those of the Master Emerald, to the extent that it affected the Master Emerald's ability to keep Angel Island afloat, causing the island to fall back into the ocean.
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This is literally not what happened at all.

1. He never states the Phantom Ruby surpasses the Master Emerald. He said he doesn't need to bother with the Emerald. And assuming he's stating that due to the raw output of the Phantom Ruby is so obviously negligent to the context. Eggman was testing the illusory abilities of the Phantom Ruby when he made that statement. Not testing its raw power. The statement is clearly in reference to the Phantom Ruby's hax/abilities, and not an assessment of its raw power. Otherwise, why would he have been testing its illusion abilities before making the statement?
2. It didn't affect the Master Emerald's ability to keep Angel Island afloat. That much is obvious by reading the scans you sent. He just put Silver and Knuckles in an illusion back in time before the Angel Island even existed. This is why Knuckles literally states: "Where did Angel Island go? This is Pachacamac's village... from the past. Silver! Did you time-travel us into the past?!" And why after defeating Chaos 0, he states: "Where did Chaos go? What happened to the village? What's going on?!" All that happened were Silver and Knuckles being put into an illusion of the past. Plus you can see the village they are in is literally in the sky anyways. There are clouds near the base of the village they're on IN the scan you sent 😭

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However, the producers say that Infinite is the strongest Sonic Villain. The reason for his loss may be the same as Super Neo Metal fighting Super Sonic in the game but losing to Base Shadow in the Comic.
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Sonic's strongest villain. Not Super Sonic in case you were trying to make that argument. SEGA distinguishes the two when it comes to hype statements if that wasn't obvious from Frontiers. Anyways, Super Neo in IDW used the Master Emerald. Didn't he use the Chaos Emeralds in Speed Sim? If so, that's just an issue of Neo being unable to utilize the Master Emerald's ability to its fullest extent due to not being an Echidna. Which is quite consistent throughout the series (Like at Mecha Sonic). It's even the reason Sonic told Base Knuckles to disrupt/sever Neo's connection from the Master Emerald. Because Knuckles connection to it is greater.

Anyways, disagree with the CRT.
 
By the way, the reason Super Neo Metal lost to Base Shadow was because the Chaos Spear nullified his Super Form, not because of AP.
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Except they don't. They're never seen using the Master Emerald nor their full power. The closest thing to that is the Master Emerald empowering the Chaos Emeralds to become the Super Emeralds for Hyper Sonic to be.
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What I mean is that they can draw enough power to reach 1-C. Even though they're not echidnas
 
If Super Sonic did scale linearly, then PR being 1-C would be fine cuz of TE, but because of the emotional empowerment stuff it doesn’t exactly work. Maybe if the way Super form power is indexed changes in the future this can be revisited. For now, probably not.
 
Well... If the introduction of the 1-C Prototype Ruby key is going to happen anyway, do I need to ask people "Agree or Disagree"?
 
I am going to be honest with you, and I will be harsh, but it is obvious that you are very new to this, and believe me, when you are new you will make a lot of mistakes, and I say this from my own experience.
i will have to disagree
 
Alexander said:
I am going to be honest with you, and I will be harsh, but it is obvious that you are very new to this, and believe me, when you are new you will make a lot of mistakes, and I say this from my own experience.
i will have to disagree
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Yep. I new. This isn't Harsh
 
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