It doesn't have to change the character. It's for less clutter and more consistency.
At the core of it, the rating is just an arbitrary thing in my view. Unlike the various 1-C or 1-A ratings, there's not a scientific basis to set barriers or a standard like with planets or stars. So it ultimately comes down to how we decide to treat the cutoff point.
This is false, in the tier 2, any gap between them is a stomp, i.e. someone whose destruction limit is 1000 would get stomped by someone whose limit is 1001, since you cannot quantify the gap, but know one is infinitely stronger than the other.
KEEP THAT SHIT AWAY FROM THIS THREAD. We don't need this to be more chaotic than it already is.
Thank you very much for the support, and strongly agreed.
Having an arbitrary cap is more vague and unspecific than whatever you're implying it to be.
My brother in Christ how the hell did you even come to that conclusion I can't even
Absolutely not. Literally a name change.
Your above reasoning does not make any logical sense to me. Having easily understood borders is inherently much easier for most of our visitors, who are of the casual variety according to my available statistics, to quickly understand.
Virtually all of our lower tiers have somewhat random borders, and that seems to be your main argument for that we should merge together the lowest possible finite plural number with the highest possible finite number, to strive for less specification and accuracy rather than more of it, which is the exact opposite of what my work with gradually improving this wiki has been about for the last 8 years.
No. The 2 universes-destroying Dragon Ball characters would all end up as tier 2-B, so I am sure that quite a lot of supporters for both that verse and others would be overjoyed at this development, even though it is an empty "victory" that does not really mean anything meaningful.
This is something a script edit could easily take care of within minutes, any repeats of the Tiering words can be easily handled by staff within an hour or so thanks to the Tier categorization that has taken place. If you don't want to actually help with something so trivial just say it instead of using the "it's an excessive amount of workload for something that's barely a change" when it clearly isn't.
First off, that's a terrible cop-out because none of us agreed to this, no aspect of time should even be within Tier 3 to begin with. Also this is derailing at best because this goes deep into the conditions required to fulfill a tier, it goes beyond the name change.
Then base it on something logical instead of an arbitrary cut-off point. So far you haven't found anything to support it.
"Doesn't sit right" is not a good excuse to keep arbitrary values with no actual basis in them. That's just blatantly dishonest.
???? Dragon Ball has literally nothing to do with this thread, why are you bringing it up?
What exactly do you think we're doing here? That's literally what we're trying to do, to make Tier 2 have much more easily understood borders instead of whatever convoluted mess you were proposing that had no basis in reality to begin with.
Way to ignore the point I guess.
That doesn't mean anything in the long run. First you say it's about accuracy, now you say it's about the fanbase? Pick one.
It's impossible for a personal opinion to be "Dishonest", I think the word you're looking for is Delusional?
IIRC, 1001 came from some old theory, but I do not remember. And even so, I wouldn't mind if baseline for 2-B was like a million instead of a specific 1001. Or even just 1000 makes more sense than 1001.
Something to do with time should prolly be mentioned.
Still an arbitrary cap just chosen at random.
In an inflationary theory, number of universes within a multiverse is about 10^500 based of number of shapes of calabi yau manifold string theory and in MWI as we know it's just adinfinitum.
1001 came from that the previous tier ends at 1000, so we had to continue with the following whole number.
Because I don't understand what could possibly motivate our members to be so extremely up in arms to fight over making our wiki less specific and accurate, but I apologise if I was too suspicious.
As I said before, I'm not against or for it. I don't think keeping as it is now is hurting anything or is wrong and I don't think changing it is incorrect either. It's just changing how we draw the border at certain tiers which ultimately doesn't matter other than possibly making it a bit broad.
Maybe it’s because you keep accusing them of trying to make the wiki less accurate.
Please do not comment if you have not gotten permission from staff and if you can't contribute enough to the conversation to make a meaningful change.I agree.
I was just about to say no because I saw 2-C+ there but then I saw the change to 2-B+.
It's not about having a basis in reality for either of our suggestions. It is just about personal preference, and I prefer to make easily understood and overviewed distinctions between comparatively low-powered characters and comparatively high-powered characters. That is all.
No, they largely do not. They have titles based on real world objects, and the energy level tier borders have not been adjusted because no matter what numbers we select they would be based on arbitrary sizes and destruction methods. DontTalk has elaborated quite a lot regarding this issue several times in the past.
It is about making distinctions, ordering information, and being specific in ways that are easily comprehensible and overviewed, much like we always do. I do not understand your confusion regarding this subject. This is not at all new information.
Many members unfortunately tend to want to make their favourite verses seem more powerful than they really are, but I apologised in an earlier post if I was too suspicious in this regard.
It would make the wiki much less specific, more confusing, and less easily overviewed in any case, and I always want to improve on our organisation in this and other regards.
Well, countless universes technically just means that nobody can count that high, whereas the current upper border of 2-B includes any extremely high finite number whatsoever.
It really wouldn’t. The amount of universes being affected would have to be specified on the profiles, so there should be no confusion if one actually reads the profile.
So just admit that you don't really care about accuracy here but more so about personal preference. Not that hard.
I said "Stave off", not "get rid of permanently". I know what DT has elaborated on in the past with this.
Okay and? Countless tiers exist that have a gigantic gap between its lower and higher ends, and they've worked out perfectly fine.
Unless they're from peer-reviewed scientific journals or books written by reputable scientists I don't see the point, and even then it'd still fall under the "any higher finite number" argument because nothing indicates that a fiction has to follow said rules in the first place.
Given that those tiers are even bigger monumental ****-ups than Tier 2 ever would be, yet 1-B inherently seems to be doing well on its own without multiple side tiers within it, I don't see why 2-B would be any different.
You want distinctions, ordering information and being specific in ways that are easily comprehensible and overviewed? Here you go: Singular, Plural Finite and Plural Infinite. Now tell me this makes less sense than whatever convoluted mess you came up with dividing Plural Finite with so many arbitrary distinctions that had absolutely no basis to them. You say we should strive towards accuracy, but it seems you yourself have sacrificed those ideals in favor of personal preference. So at the end of the day, you need to choose which one you need to go with here.
I can understand the paranoia, but once again, this isn't about making verses look more powerful than they already are. That was never the point. How many universes they destroy will remain unaffected by this. Any VS match they have will also remain unchanged and the only way they get removed is if the character either got a boost to the number of universes destroyed or gets hax upgrades. We don't get to make them more powerful without this anyway.
It seems extremely unlikely that our members would consistently insert exact number of universes counts for several hundred character profile pages, so I contknue to maintain that this is a very unwise and destructive suggestion, and given that DontTalk and Medeus agree with me, this thread appears to have been rejected.
Same thing, countless isn't treated as "finite" unlike the words "infinite", "endless", "limitless", "boundless", "unending", "no limit" and the like.
Then we should make this a mandatory rule before anything else.
First of all, no. You, DT and Medeus disagreeing does not mean that this thread has been rejected. Eight of the staff here have agreed, you really want to overrule all of us and set that precedent?
I mean, references were made mandatory for new pages not that long ago, why not just do the same approach? “New profiles in Tier 2-B and profiles newly changed to Tier 2-B must contain the exact number of universes the character scales to, and it is preferred, though not mandatory, that old pages are updated to follow these standards as well” or smth along those lines would work fine
