5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Semi Finals Match 2: Tien Shinhan vs Uzi Doorman (3-14-0) GRACE STARTED

[Niko]

has uzi ever used these illusions or forcefields in combat

She dealt with illusions before, and she did use a forcefield in episode 1 unconsciously (when J fired her mp5 at her)

 

[MannyQ361]

She has good instinctive action like she did at the end of episode 4.

Tien has good perception.

 

[Thunderman101]

I'm voting for Uzi.

Still more hax even if both Tien and her have prior knowledge.
Has flight advantage.
Casting time is roughly the same.
Although Tien surpassed master level of martial arts and has great reaction, Uzi's instincts and her combat can keep up and adapt like she did in Episode 4 and 8.

she has the flight advantege? I didnt know that.

Pretty sure instincts and combat can only get u so far against someone far more skill who has fought people like u. Also where does she have adaptation on her profile

 

[Thunderman101]

She dealt with illusions before, and she did use a forcefield in episode 1 unconsciously (when J fired her mp5 at her)

sooo not on purpose and never used it again. Didint that mp5 reboot her?

 

[Niko]

Dear God we at page 10

 

[Thunderman101]

since uzi has no resistance to light manipulation and tienknows he can one shot her, whats stoping him from just using solar flare plius kihoko

 

[RealDuker98]

has uzi ever used these illusions or forcefields in combat

Given this Uzi has prep time, she'll already have figured out that she has to use either one of them(given her genius intelligence).

 

[RealDuker98]

since uzi has no resistance to light manipulation and tienknows he can one shot her, whats stoping him from just using solar flare plius kihoko

Can he though?

His value submitted was 1.5 YT, while Uzi's was 701 ZT.

That's a 2.1 times difference.

A one shot is 7.5-8 times.

 

[Jin2188]

youre contradicting yourself by showing her throwing them while talking about spawning. Can she een do that with black holes though, i thought it was tk only

are we forgetting tin knows she can do that, both contestants get to see prior matches. You need to prove she dosent need line of sight

Watch the clips I showed again. Watch them very closely. She's not throwing them like projectiles, she's just straight up spawning them in the air.

She doesn't need line of sight, you're assuming that it's tk only, but the default assumption should be that she can just use the Solver's abilities in general that way, since all the Solver's abilities under the same mechanics (that is, altering the X, Y, and Z coordinates of objects, which btw seems like Vector Manipulation to me, which would ignore durability). And even if that isn't the case, she can just use her tk to do this (yes this is Doll but Uzi scales so shut up), or immobilize Tien and then hit him with a NULL.

Literally Tien's only wincon here is if Uzi acts like a f*cking idiot and just stands there and lets him kikoho her instead of tping out of the way. As long as she's in character (i.e, not stupid), she'll make sure to keep her distance and wait for an opening to telecrush or NULL him.

If it isn't obvious by now, my vote is Uzi.

 

[Soul80]

since uzi has no resistance to light manipulation and tienknows he can one shot her, whats stoping him from just using solar flare plius kihoko

We already explained it in this part, I don't see any refutation in this point due actually evidences.
I already debunked your argument due the fact that it's special and cannot be classified as actually normal light, of you will ratting wiki then again, I'll use Occam razor

 

[MannyQ361]

Can he though?

His value submitted was 1.5 YT, while Uzi's was 701 ZT.

That's a 2.1 times difference.

A one shot is 7.5-8 times.

Kikoho can one shot Tien’s own value.

 

[Thunderman101]

Given this Uzi has prep time, she'll already have figured out that she has to use either one of them(given her genius intelligence).

Watch the clips I showed again. Watch them very closely. She's not throwing them like projectiles, she's just straight up spawning them in the air.

She doesn't need line of sight, you're assuming that it's tk only, but the default assumption should be that she can just use the Solver's abilities in general that way, since all the Solver's abilities under the same mechanics (that is, altering the X, Y, and Z coordinates of objects, which btw seems like Vector Manipulation to me, which would ignore durability). And even if that isn't the case, she can just use her tk to do this (yes this is Doll but Uzi scales so shut up), or immobilize Tien and then hit him with a NULL.

Literally Tien's only wincon here is if Uzi acts like a f*cking idiot and just stands there and lets him kikoho her instead of tping out of the way. As long as she's in character (i.e, not stupid), she'll make sure to keep her distance and wait for an opening to telecrush or NULL him.

If it isn't obvious by now, my vote is Uzi.

the links arent working. let me try smth

We already explained it in this part, I don't see any refutation in this point due actually evidences.
I already debunked your argument due the fact that it's special and cannot be classified as actually normal light, of you will ratting wiki then again, I'll use Occam razor

and ive already said, if we are buying uzis stuff that all her abilites have planetary range and not just the null because the profile says so. then uzi has no light manipulation resisst because the profile says so

 

[Thunderman101]

Watch the clips I showed again. Watch them very closely. She's not throwing them like projectiles, she's just straight up spawning them in the air.

She doesn't need line of sight, you're assuming that it's tk only, but the default assumption should be that she can just use the Solver's abilities in general that way, since all the Solver's abilities under the same mechanics (that is, altering the X, Y, and Z coordinates of objects, which btw seems like Vector Manipulation to me, which would ignore durability). And even if that isn't the case, she can just use her tk to do this (yes this is Doll but Uzi scales so shut up), or immobilize Tien and then hit him with a NULL.

Literally Tien's only wincon here is if Uzi acts like a f*cking idiot and just stands there and lets him kikoho her instead of tping out of the way. As long as she's in character (i.e, not stupid), she'll make sure to keep her distance and wait for an opening to telecrush or NULL him.

If it isn't obvious by now, my vote is Uzi.

Just because uzi scales to doll, does not mean she is going to do the same thing as doll

1.That was a bloodlusted uzi controlled by the solver. Youll also notice how n dodged every single one of them.

Uzi has never used teleportation once. Not once

 

[Thunderman101]

Watch the clips I showed again. Watch them very closely. She's not throwing them like projectiles, she's just straight up spawning them in the air.

She doesn't need line of sight, you're assuming that it's tk only, but the default assumption should be that she can just use the Solver's abilities in general that way, since all the Solver's abilities under the same mechanics (that is, altering the X, Y, and Z coordinates of objects, which btw seems like Vector Manipulation to me, which would ignore durability). And even if that isn't the case, she can just use her tk to do this (yes this is Doll but Uzi scales so shut up), or immobilize Tien and then hit him with a NULL.

Literally Tien's only wincon here is if Uzi acts like a f*cking idiot and just stands there and lets him kikoho her instead of tping out of the way. As long as she's in character (i.e, not stupid), she'll make sure to keep her distance and wait for an opening to telecrush or NULL him.

If it isn't obvious by now, my vote is Uzi.

then vector manipulation should be on her profile

 

[RealDuker98]

the links arent working. let me try smth

Try using a laptop.

Also you forgot to reply to me lol

 

[Soul80]

the links arent working. let me try smth

and ive already said, if we are buying uzis stuff that all her abilites have planetary range and not just the null because the profile says so. then uzi has no light manipulation resisst

This is already was justified but you for some reason , started denying and circulate it , bravo.
Come on, give me at least any evidence of any your past arguments which should prove otherwise at moment of our discussion.
I'll wait it.

 

[RealDuker98]

Kikoho can one shot Tien’s own value.

Again not how the tiersetter works.

1.5 YT is the value submitted.

Also VSBW does not facilitate for 1 shot multipliers.

 

[Thunderman101]

Watch the clips I showed again. Watch them very closely. She's not throwing them like projectiles, she's just straight up spawning them in the air.

She doesn't need line of sight, you're assuming that it's tk only, but the default assumption should be that she can just use the Solver's abilities in general that way, since all the Solver's abilities under the same mechanics (that is, altering the X, Y, and Z coordinates of objects, which btw seems like Vector Manipulation to me, which would ignore durability). And even if that isn't the case, she can just use her tk to do this (yes this is Doll but Uzi scales so shut up), or immobilize Tien and then hit him with a NULL.

Literally Tien's only wincon here is if Uzi acts like a f*cking idiot and just stands there and lets him kikoho her instead of tping out of the way. As long as she's in character (i.e, not stupid), she'll make sure to keep her distance and wait for an opening to telecrush or NULL him.

If it isn't obvious by now, my vote is Uzi.

if she dosent need to see peopleto use her attacks why was she rapidly turning her head around to spawn her black holes at n??? Tien has better ls so good luck imobolizing him

 

[ArrestedForRobbery]

I think uzi have more fatal/faster wincons
Voting for uzi

 

[Soul80]

Just because uzi scales to doll, does not mean she is going to do the same thing as doll

1.That was a bloodlusted uzi controlled by the solver. Youll also notice how n dodged every single one of them.

Now we're going to circulate the same argument again ? That's great
Already was proved so I'll wait you to send your past where you actually refuse it to continue use this argument.

 

[Thunderman101]

This is already was justified but you for some reason , started denying and circulate it , bravo.
Come on, give me at least any evidence of any your past arguments which should prove otherwise at moment of our discussion.
I'll wait it.

accusing me of doing thing a does not mean im doing thing a. While yes you can argue that the light is special in some way. Uzi has no resistance to light manipulaiton or any sort of special vison on her profile. Combine that with the fact that it worked on android 16 whos full robot, i dont buy it

 

[Thunderman101]

Now we're going to circulate the same argument again ? That's great
Already was proved so I'll wait you to send your past where you actually refuse it to continue use this argument.

accusing me of circulating arguments does not mean im circulating arguments. If anyone circulating its you lmao.

You cant argue that uzi would insta kill with black holes when the one time she did use them was under the solvers control and her opponent easily dodged every single one of them. Someone disagreeing with you does not mean theyre looping

 

[RealDuker98]

Also you forgot to reply to me lol

@Thunderman101

 

[Thunderman101]

This is already was justified but you for some reason , started denying and circulate it , bravo.
Come on, give me at least any evidence of any your past arguments which should prove otherwise at moment of our discussion.
I'll wait it.

ill put it realllly simple for you

1.We buy uzi having planetary range for all her solver abilites and not just null because her profile says so (Despite it showing null only feats)
2. We also buy tien being able to use solar flare on uzi because her profile has nothing saying she has light manip resist or special vison (BEcause the profile says so)

is that simple enough for you?

 

[Soul80]

accusing me of doing thing a does not mean im doing thing a. While yes you can argue that the light is special in some way. Uzi has no resistance to light manipulaiton or any sort of special vison on her profile. Combine that with the fact that it worked on android 16 whos full robot, i dont buy it

You don't need.
You still can argue it shouldn't affect her logically, and I already explained why, due their physiology.

For example, we can arguing that lifting strength should bypass gravity manip without actually resistance, as long as it doesn't condradict logic , it can be used.
Otherwise, if you don't have any actual arguments and just trying to rat the same wiki, then I'll should use Occam razor due having actually reason which I explained while you don't

 

[Thunderman101]

@Thunderman101

what do u want me to reply to

You don't need.
You still can argue it should effect her logically, and I already explained why due their physiology, for example we can arguing that lifting strength should bypass gravity manip without actually resistance, as long it doesn't condradict the actually reasoning in logic, it can be used.

I cant understand a word youre saying.

even if the light is special light, the drones reacting to it still means they can percive light in some medium.

 

[RealDuker98]

what do u want me to reply to

Given this Uzi has prep time, she'll already have figured out that she has to use either one of them(given her genius intelligence).

 

[Soul80]

ill put it realllly simple for you

1.We buy uzi having planetary range for all her solver abilites and not just null because her profile says so (Despite it showing null only feats)
2. We also buy tien being able to use solar flare on uzi because her profile has nothing saying she has light manip resist or special vison (BEcause the profile says so)

is that simple enough for you

Wouldn't effect me tbh
As long as you can't even refuse the real argument which people did before.
So if you're buying it sure, planetary range was already discussed as whole, and you didn't refuse it either (since it was already on page)
Light moment I already explained

 

[Thermor]

Uzi FRA.

 

[Thunderman101]

paste the light moment again for a sec


As for the genius intellegence thing. Im pretty sure uzi has prepared for fights against people stronger than her before, she has never used the forcefeild once and does she ven know she can use it?

Wouldn't effect me tbh
As long as you can't even refuse the real argument which people did before.
So if you're buying it sure, planetary range was already discussed as whole, and you didn't refuse it either (since it was already on page)
Light moment I already explained

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I mean I don't know how speed equalization exactly works so probably given ep 8 final fight involved a lot of dodging from either side.

But ignoring this Uzi can also use her forcefield.

It’s basically that the faster character is slowed to the sower character’s speed, every projectile is affected by the same multiplier.

 

[Soul80]

what do u want me to reply to

I cant understand a word youre saying.

even if the light is special light, the drones reacting to it still means they can percive light in some medium.

Edited
Tho I already explained this moment due the fact that it doesn't even blind them, it's stopping their system.

 

[RealDuker98]

It’s basically that the faster character is slowed to the sower character’s speed, every projectile is affected by the same multiplier.

So she can dodge them given the distance is pretty big.

Also forcefield.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

So she can dodge them given the distance is pretty big.

Also forcefield.

How fast does the black hole fire?

 

[Thunderman101]

Edited
Tho I already explained this moment due the fact that it doesn't even blind them, it's stopping their system.

yes, but they can stil react and percive the light, and thats all that matters even if it dosent blind them. why would it blind them

 

[Soul80]

paste the light moment again for a sec


As for the genius intellegence thing. Im pretty sure uzi has prepared for fights against people stronger than her before, she has never used the forcefeild once and does she ven know she can use it?

She actually did it in the plot, even before awakening her solver

 

[RealDuker98]

How fast does the black hole fire?

1.378797c

But I thought you said projectile would scale?

 

[Soul80]

yes, but they can stil react and percive the light, and thats all that matters even if it dosent blind them. why would it blind them

Not the point.
My point is that they doesn't have receptors, if you have receptors means you should have nervous system and brain, I already showed their physiology.
They doesn't have brain, they have CPU and visors which is not even actually like eyes normal computers does

 

[RealDuker98]

Can we get someone to count the votes?

 

[Jin2188]

Just because uzi scales to doll, does not mean she is going to do the same thing as doll

1.That was a bloodlusted uzi controlled by the solver. Youll also notice how n dodged every single one of them.

Uzi has never used teleportation once. Not once

She will if she knows Tien can oneshot her. You're acting like she's stupid, and she's not.

N was in flight and was a moving target. He wasn't seeing the attack coming and then dodging it, since the attack comes out basically instantly.

if she dosent need to see peopleto use her attacks why was she rapidly turning her head around to spawn her black holes at n??? Tien has better ls so good luck imobolizing him

Because it's easier to target someone if you can see them. That doesn't mean she needs line of sight.

Tien has better LS, sure, but the difference isn't great enough to suggest that Uzi can't at least slow him down significantly, which should come out to the same anyways, since all she really needs is a small window to delete half his vital organs with NULL.