[6-5-0] Would it actually help if he was faster? - Choso vs Zenin Naobito

[Nonynho]

First key for Choso
Exact same scenario for the Choso vs Naoya stomp, i mean ass-clapping, i mean fight*

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[Anonymous_Learner]

following, this'll be fun

 

[Nonynho]

Hope this time we have fun with the side i like more getting the w lol

 

[Treeztarz]

I feel like naobito isnt going to make the same mistake as naoya

 

[Mommyleona]

I believe Choso can likely win using the exact same strategy, maybe even easier since Naobito doesn't carry weapons like Naoya, also Naobito is never shown to accelerate to his top speed, so it's not his first move or anything

 

[Nonynho]

I feel like naobito isnt going to make the same mistake as naoya

He may not be as reckless, but he surely is prideful too

It just may take longer due to Naobito not cheating with a knife but the same result is likely, yeah

 

[KnightDark_990]

Naobito destroys

(And destroys Yuta)

 

[Treeztarz]

He may not be as reckless, but he surely is prideful too

It just may take longer due to Naobito not cheating with a knife but the same result is likely, yeah

i think naobito has the speed and strength to just overwhelm choso

 

[Nonynho]

Naobito destroys

(And destroys Yuta)

And Toji smacks both

 

[Nonynho]

i think naobito has the speed and strength to just overwhelm choso

Speed with relative strength has proven to not be enough, so...
But if you can back up that he has strength to overwhelm, that might be something

 

[KnightDark_990]

And Toji smacks both

Naobito=Toji in strength via databook

 

[Treeztarz]

Speed with relative strength has proven to not be enough, so...
But if you can back up that he has strength to overwhelm, that might be something

should be stronger than nanami who should be around yujis level during shibuya, who was doing some serious damage to choso

 

[Mommyleona]

Naobito=Toji in strength via databook

Huh

 

[Nonynho]

should be stronger than nanami who should be around yujis level during shibuya, who was doing some serious damage to choso

imo Nanami ~ Naobito, can't see stuff indicating that one should be relevantly stronger than the other

 

[Treeztarz]

imo Nanami ~ Naobito, can't see stuff indicating that one should be relevantly stronger than the other

him choosing to use more power on naobito over nanami

 

[Treeztarz]

him choosing to use more power on naobito over nanami

even if you don't want to accept this naobito would still most likely relative to yuji just with better speed

 

[Nonynho]

him choosing to use more power on naobito over nanami

I assume that ur talking about Jogo
That difference is actually so so small that it really isn't relevant. Jogo didn't say "wow i needed way more power to take this one down" or something alike for use to use for a proper scale

 

[Treeztarz]

I assume that ur talking about Jogo
That difference is actually so so small that it really isn't relevant. Jogo didn't say "wow i needed way more power to take this one down" or something alike for use to use for a proper scale

sorry i meant dagon

 

[Nonynho]

even if you don't want to accept this naobito would still most likely relative to yuji just with better speed

Why wouldn't he be relative to his son that despite damaging wasn't doing severe stuff to Choso?

I can't see how Choso's stamina that specifically states that he can take a beating and still go on fighting wouldn't just cover that

 

[LaserPrecision]

imo Nanami ~ Naobito, can't see stuff indicating that one should be relevantly stronger than the other

I could be misremembering, but didn't Nanami's Ratio technique barely scratch Dagon whereas Naobito was beating him senseless?

 

[Treeztarz]

Why wouldn't he be relative to his son that despite damaging wasn't doing severe stuff to Choso?

I can't see how Choso's stamina that specifically states that he can take a beating and still go on fighting wouldn't just cover that

hes most likely stronger than his son based off of him being faster than him, and also being able to have as good, if not a better, performance than nanami in shibuya. Also i dont really recall any comparisons between him and naoya besides him being faster

 

[Treeztarz]

I could be misremembering, but didn't Nanami's Ratio technique barely scratch Dagon whereas Naobito was beating him senseless?

naobito also was able to take some hits from dagons domain iirc

 

[Nonynho]

sorry i meant dagon

Both were doing practically no damage but Naobito was faster so using more power to get rid of him is normal

It is like dedicating focus between a mosquito and a fly, whoever's more annoying you'll be ending first however you can, but that doesn't mean that the mosquito or the fly are hurting more

 

[Nonynho]

I could be misremembering, but didn't Nanami's Ratio technique barely scratch Dagon whereas Naobito was beating him senseless?

Both weren't doing damage to Dagon, what was screwing him up was Naobito's speed

I'm loving how we're shifting focus to whatever instead of why can't Choso just do the same to him that he did to his son

 

[Treeztarz]

Both weren't doing damage to Dagon, what was screwing him up was Naobito's speed

I'm loving how we're shifting focus to whatever instead of why can't Choso just do the same to him that he did to his son

choso dies in like 4 hits to naobito if hes around yujis level

 

[Nonynho]

choso dies in like 4 hits to naobito if hes around yujis level

He ain't, as the evidence of being stronger than Nanami just isn't there

We can consider that they're at the same level, much like Naoya was, as Naobito should be stronger than the latter but very vaguely and definetely not leagues above

Is there any other thing that Naobito has of difference besides being faster and a bit stronger?

 

[Treeztarz]

He ain't, as the evidence of being stronger than Nanami just isn't there

We can consider that they're at the same level, much like Naoya was, as Naobito should be stronger than the latter but very vaguely and definetely not leagues above

Is there any other thing that Naobito has of difference besides being faster and a bit stronger?

if you dont want to accept him being above than even him being as strong as nanami will be fine. Yuji in 3 hits put some real damage on choso. he should be around nanamis level

 

[Treeztarz]

besides yuji was on par with a grade 1 sorcerer during shibuya, gojo said unless you counted sorcerer family sorcerers kusakabe was the strongest (take that as you will you dont have to completely believe it) but this does imply that people like naobito would probably be stronger than our grade 1's

 

[LaserPrecision]

I just wanna say that according to Kamo, before Naoya accelerated (when he was a Cursed Womb) to Mach 3 in his Vengeful Spirit form, he still considered Naobito the fastest Sorcerer. So that'd put him above Naoya before building up speed who was Supersonic:

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(I provided 2 translations in case anyone wanted to nitpick. Viz/Werry and TCB translations respectively)

The Naoya that built up speed against Maki exceeded Subsonic speed. Do with this what you will.

 

[Nonynho]

if you dont want to accept him being above than even him being as strong as nanami will be fine. Yuji in 3 hits put some real damage on choso. he should be around nanamis level

Well, in a few hits Choso has also done some real damage to Yuji including knock him out and f***ing up his insides

If he's in the same realm as Yuji with relative, albeit higher, speed than his son, what's stopping what happened to Yuji and Naoya from happening here again with Naobito just lasting a bit longer?
Let's also remember that Choso has a good regen and i can't see Naobito negging it

 

[Arkenis]

Voting Naobito. He should be hitting far harder than Naoya and just beat him over time. Naobito's also better at planning, so I don't think he'll keep this fight in the tunnel, likely just kick him back outside so he'll have more room. Also unlike Naoya, Naobito's got fbe, he'll counter supernova much easier.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I just wanna say that according to Kamo, before Naoya accelerated (when he was a Cursed Womb) to Mach 3 in his Vengeful Spirit form, he still considered Naobito the fastest Sorcerer. So that'd put him above Naoya before building up speed who was Supersonic:

(I provided 2 translations in case anyone wanted to nitpick. Viz/Werry and TCB translations respectively)

The Naoya that built up speed against Maki exceeded Subsonic speed. Do with this what you will.

I hate vs wiki, it doesn't register the tcb scans despite showing up before I posted them. Here is an imgur with the translations.

 

[Treeztarz]

Well, in a few hits Choso has also done some real damage to Yuji including knock him out and f***ing up his insides

If he's in the same realm as Yuji with relative, albeit higher, speed than his son, what's stopping what happened to Yuji and Naoya from happening here again with Naobito just lasting a bit longer?
Let's also remember that Choso has a good regen and i can't see Naobito negging it

naobito realistically doesnt get hit since he is faster than naoya and most likely stronger physically. I also don't really see choso having the ability to do more damage than dagon was able to in his domain

 

[Treeztarz]

so lowkey im voting naobito rn

 

[Mommyleona]

I could be misremembering, but didn't Nanami's Ratio technique barely scratch Dagon whereas Naobito was beating him senseless?

Nanami failed ratio at that point imo + he was just blitzing him repeatedly, most of his hits did no damage outside of the final one which broke Dagon's fingers

 

[Arkenis]

Well, in a few hits Choso has also done some real damage to Yuji including knock him out and f***ing up his insides

If he's in the same realm as Yuji with relative, albeit higher, speed than his son, what's stopping what happened to Yuji and Naoya from happening here again with Naobito just lasting a bit longer?
Let's also remember that Choso has a good regen and i can't see Naobito negging it

I don't think its too accurate to show those. He could block pb for a short time, and we know its stronger than everything else. Plus Choso was messed up from just three hits from Yuji, if we all agree Naobito's stronger than Nanami and Nanami~Yuji, then Choso's not lasting long compared to Dagon.

 

[Treeztarz]

Nanami failed ratio at that point imo + he was just blitzing him repeatedly, most of his hits did no damage outside of the final one which broke Dagon's fingers

thats still damage

 

[LaserPrecision]

Nanami failed ratio at that point imo + he was just blitzing him repeatedly, most of his hits did no damage outside of the final one which broke Dagon's fingers

Failed ratio? Was that stated or smth and I just forgot or do we see him miss the 7:3 mark or smth?

 

[Treeztarz]

thats still damage

also i dont think its fair to say nanami missed ratio, it just doesnt seem reasonable to show the ratio thing on panel just for it to have missed with no other indication (unless im missing some statement or something really obvious)

 

[BiggestOpp]

Choso’s only win con is landing Supernova.
The likelyhood of him landing that is even slimmer than him landing it on Naoya.
Assuming the fight plays out similarly, Choso would have to distract Naobito and force him into a situation where he’d have to face Choso head on. That’s the only time Choso would be able to fire off a supernova.
Sounds easy right?
Hell naw.
The only reason Choso was capable of getting this strategy off was because Naoya made the mistake of stabbing him. Choso used this open wound to continually flood the area with blood.
Naobito doesn’t carry a knife, so this is never occurring.

Then there’s the stat difference.
Looking at Naobito’s profile, he’s currently scaled higher than Nanami, who’s scaled equal to Shibuya Yuji.
That’s while unstacked.
Choso took 3 punches from Yuji and was battered. At any given moment Naobito can land several dozen blows Choso can’t defend.
Then he can also freeze Choso and, unlike Naoya, Naobito actually ragdolls his opponents while he’s punching them.
Choso just gets pingponged to death.