8-B Brackets Round 21

[WeeklyBattles]

I don't recall Kai ever leading with absorption ever, even against the no named kung-fu masters he put up a physical fight before absorbing them, hell he even put up a physical fight against po before trying to absorb him despite knowing he was far stronger than po

 

[Mx2432]

I'm just gonna pitch in because I found this interesting

Adam does seem to have the potential to one-shot eventually, though Kai might be able to tell that due to his ability for extrasensory perception to see his aura/energy and possibly try to absorb him before that happens, he might not lead with Absorbing but he isn't really late to using it either, he still used it fairly quickly against those masters, mantis and crane. He does not really extend the fight a lot that much, the longest fight he has was with Po but the others ended fairly quickly. And Kai does have the tendency to restrain his opponents with his sword chains before absorbing.

As for the Jade Zombies, they probably are weaker than Kai but he has shown the capacity to fight alongside them during his raid on the temple, even whilst fighting Shifu the Zombies are fighting Tigress, Monkey and Viper. I don't really know why in the fight in the village he was feeling their attacks, it might be because he is sharing his perception with them. But it could possibly be a Kai with Zombies vs Adam battle, with the Zombies having Range and Close distance and various others. Kai could use the Zombies as a distraction and go for the grab and absorb him. And with Kai's absorption your body turns to jade fairly quickly. Adam could possibly use the attack he used on the Spider drone, but that move requires all of the Jombies and Kai in close-mid proximity and such an obvious attack like that would tell Kai not to be near when Adam's energy suddenly starts spiking.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Adam's power isnt gradual, he instantly becomes strong enough to oneshot

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Meh ok Adam for Weekly's reasons. I don;'t see Kai absorbing Adam, before getting 1 shotted.

 

[Nico-v11]

Can someone link how Kai's absorption works?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Can someone link how Kai's absorption works?

Against Oogway

Against Monkey and Snek

Shifu

 

[Nico-v11]

1. Literally had to restrain Oogway before absorbing

2. Had to restrain both again before using it

3. Shifu was clearly weakened and not walking straight, had to be close distance, and takes some time.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah restraining is a thing that has to be done.

 

[Nico-v11]

Gonna vote Adam then since absorption isn't something Kai pulls out right away or early on at all and has to restrain the opponent or tire them out sufficiently before using it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's 2 for Adam. 3 if Weekly voted.

 

[Moritzva]

Yeesh, Adam FRA.

 

[Nico-v11]

Hrrrrm.

Yea, this seems like Kai should take this, to absolutely nobody's surprise.

I guess I'll wait for arguments?

Oh the irony

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeesh, Adam FRA.

4

 

[Drite77]

Adam FRA

Adam: 5 (Drite, Firephoenix, ThePixelKirby, Nico-v11, Weekly)

Kai:

 

[QrowBarr]

Adam FRA,

 

[Firephoenixearl]

6

 

[Drite77]

Adam: 6 (Drite, Firephoenix, ThePixelKirby, Nico-v11, Weekly, Steven Pogi)

Kai:

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Adam FRA then.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Grace. Just need to wait till Xmass for Dargoo to come back an make the new thread.

 

[GyroNutz]

I'm having exams at the moment, and would appreciate if this stays open long enough for me to properly respond. But skimming through the arguments, I don't buy that Adam can one-shot Kai whatsoever. After performing the 52 ton feat, Kai stole the chi of every kung fu master in China bar Tigress and Po, where Oogway's chi alone was enough to cause a 37.5 ton feat. Whereas Adam's kinetic energy blasts have apparently only been shown to one-shot no-name droids.

Kai leads with absorption against three Kung Fu Masters and then against Mantis without restraining them.

When Kai has been serious (e.g. against Po/Oogway in the Spirit Realm) he's restrained and absorbed after the first couple of hits. Neither could break out of this restraint despite both having greater lifting strength than Adam by a whole level.

 

[Nico-v11]

We've gone over how Adam is capable to one shot.

Previously attacked a Spidee droid that he only did scratches to and then after absorbing its full blast he disintegrated it. He amped the power he absorbed against it.

Again when he one shot Blake's weapon with his semblance. If that has hit her she would have been cut in two.

Normal weapon durability + the durability of the weapon amped by aura since aura amps weapons too.

 

[Nico-v11]

Btw what you linked showed three masters get defeated off screen. We don't know enough details about what happened or how it happened. What's also very true is that he caught all of them off guard including Mantis. It was a surprise attack.

In the same video you showed the Crane has to get restrained before absorption is used on him.

Kai leading with absorption has only been shown once and even then it was only because it was a surprise attack.

 

[GyroNutz]

So he attacked a no name droid, got blasted by an attack that may not even scale to the droid's durability, and one-shot said no-name droid. Then, he one-shot someone's weapon who's very much below him in terms of AP according to Weekly. Neither is evidence that he can one-shot Kai, who we have an actual AP value for rather than 'he can take Adam's hit pretty well'

Mantis was facing Kai when he was absorbed, and shouted at him. He wasn't caught off-guard, and there's not really any other evidence that the others got caught off-guard.

Crane had to be restrained because he was flying away. You even mentioned this previously; Kai has to shorten the range to absorb.

Sure, Kai leading with absorption has only been done against the three masters, but Kai using absorption early has been done often enough to say he'll do it here. And again, Adam cannot escape Kai's restraint if he gets it off.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Blake is equal to adam in ap and he oneshot her weapon, and he then cut through yang aura and damaged her weapon with yang also being equal to him in ap

 

[GyroNutz]

He's stronger than Blake who is equal to Qrow

Yeah I'm pretty confused rn

 

[WeeklyBattles]

With his amp he is stronger, strong enough to oneshot, without the amp they are equal

 

[GyroNutz]

And he starts the battle without an amp, right? This puts the battle even more in Kai's favour since he has a greater AP advantage right off the bat.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Blake is equal to adam in ap and he oneshot her weapon, and he then cut through yang aura and damaged her weapon with yang also being equal to him in ap

Yang's aura and Blake's weapon already took numerous hits from Adam prior to that.

I wouldn't call Blake equal to Qrow, just roughly comparable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Aura durability doesn't get lower the more hits the user takes, and A dam's amp makes him strong enough to bypass it completely so the amount of hits they've taken prior makes no difference

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Aura durability doesn't get lower the more hits the user takes

Except you explicitly agreed to a thread that said it does fuction like that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why would I agree to that? That's not how it works at all, it's a health bar with a flat durability not something that decreases in durability as it gets hit

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Why would I agree to that?

That's not how it works at all, it's a health bar with a flat durability not something that decreases in durability as it gets hit

"A health bar with flat durability" is an oxymoron.

Health bars tend to go lower when they're hit. We see this corroborated on screens in RWBY.

It's why you even agreed to it being 8-B in dura for Vol 3-4 despite it being capable of being broken by High 8-Cs.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Health bars going down =/= durability goes down. Im not getting into another aura argument, the fact of the matter is that Aura does not get weaker dura-wise as the user is damaged, it can take a set amount of damage before breaking but this does not mean its overall durability is reduced from taking more hits.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Health bars going down =/= durability goes down.

Okay, let's take the accepted view of aura, as per yourself.

Aura registers chip damage, that's why it can be depleted by numerous lesser attacks, but withstand one or two stronger attacks. You agreed to this.

A halved Aura can take half as much damage. Thus, half the total damage the aura can take would shatter it.

Otherwise, when Yang and co. fought in the Beacon tournament, you wouldn't see Aura meters going dow as they sustain damage.

So yes, Aura's overall durability goes down as it takes hits. Otherwise it wouldn't function anything like the health bar you describe it is.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Aura's durability has never once shown to go down, how you are describing it and how it actually works are very different

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Taking damage and being durable are not even remotely close to being the same

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Aura's durability has never once shown to go down, how you are describing it and how it actually works are very different

In which case, it doesn't function like a health bar. If it did, as it lost "health", the total number of hits it can take without shattering would go down. We ofte see Aura shatter through multiple weaker hits, and we know it can take a few stronger hits.

You can't selectively change definitions and ignore the contradictions it produces.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im not changing definitions and there are no contradictions that exist, im telling you exactly how it works and youre saying something completely different

 

[WeeklyBattles]

A RWBY character with 100% aura and with 10% aura can take an attack on their own level of AP and their aura wouldnt break. Because Aura's durability does not go down, its ability to block damage does.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Im not changing definitions and there are no contradictions that exist, im telling you exactly how it works and youre saying something completely different

You're saying Aura functions like a health bar, while also simultaneously saying it works absolutely nothing like a health bar.

I've discussed this with you before and you were previously amicible to it, I'm not sure what has changed between then and now.