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A Courier heads to Dunwall

It would be severely out of character for Emily to just talk to someone she is actively trying to kill
 
Courier can handle people that want to actively kill him tho if those examples are anything to by. (Don't nuke my home please I have no insurance)
 
The examples include people completely bloodlusted against the courier. I forgot does Emily have passive luck too or do she just have the limited fate hax on her page (I tried to read the page on mobile with the pc mode, don’t do that because that mode doesn’t work). If the Courier’s luck can work here then I’ll lean slightly to him because it allows him to have a cleaner discussion. Without including luck, I’m voting inconclusive. Either Emily opens with practically an instantly kill move, or the courier quickly convinces her to give up.

While Emily obviously isn’t going to be much of a talker, the Courier can talk down: People that are bloodlusted to him, psychotic super geniuses that want to steal his body, his own brain amped up on intelligence increasing drugs, amoral people, and rapid psychopaths. He should be able to talk Emily down.
 
What i mean is Emily is not one for open combat, she wouldnt even let the Courier know she was there and would immediately opt for dipping into stealth the moment he caught her in the open. There wouldnt be an opportunity where she allows him to try to talk to her.
 
They are 10 meters away in Central Park. They are going to see her for like 2 whole seconds before she dips away. And due to the new rules of SBA the courier at least knows someone is there to fight them (which I personally find kinda dumb). The Courier could just start yelling out a conversation to have them come out and talk. He’s convinced vastly more bloodlusted and less social people into vastly more difficult conversations before.

On another note dealt with invisibility before and entire mission (in the main quest) revolves around going through a place full of nightkin. All of which are invisible.
 
Just gonna say Courier's luck is so good it lets him clean out entire casinos by legit gambling, survive a point blank gunshot and being buried alive, let's him bypass a security system by yelling ice cream and also lets one of two people show up that can one shot super mutant behemoths. Also Courier can see folks who are invisible so there's that.
 
Emily doesnt have invisbility so i dont really see how being able to see invisibility helps him here but okay
 
If she doesn’t then what stops the courier from keeping track of her. He has multiple pieces of technology and his own senses can keep track of people even when they are a mile away and invisible. Meanwhile Emily doesn’t even have invisibility to begin with. I know she is really stealthy, but the courier is also cartoonishly stealthy so I don’t see why she can see straight through their stealth, but for some reason he would be completely lost by hers.
 
Keeweed said:
If she doesn’t then what stops the courier from keeping track of her. He has multiple pieces of technology and his own senses can keep track of people even when they are a mile away and invisible. Meanwhile Emily doesn’t even have invisibility to begin with.
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Her dipping into the Void, or creating clones to throw him off, or just leading with mind haxxing him
 
Her leading with mind manipulation is definitely one of her win conditions, which is why I’m voting inconclusive. However if dipping into the void is referring to shadow walk the courier can still talk to her when she does that. And the courier can still talk to her if she summons clones. Then saying a few words is faster than the hand movements, and could quickly get her into a conversation.
 
Clones probably won't do a whole lot, Courier can keep track of loads of foes at a time anyway. Also don't suppose Lady Killer and other perks would help with SI at all?
 
I think Emily is gay? What I found online says the creator didn’t really say yes or no to the question, but I think it leans to her being gay. I mean the Courier does have a perk to convince lesbians easier too, but they would have to also be female. So 50\50 on whether that would help.
 
Keeweed said:
I think Emily is gay? What I found online says the creator didn’t really say yes or no to the question, but I think it leans to her being gay. I mean the Courier does have a perk to convince lesbians easier too, but they would have to also be female. So 50\50 on whether that would help.
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Iirc she had a boyfriend in the novels.
 
Looking it up again, now found confirmation she is bi, which means the courier has even an easier time convincing her since black widow or Cherchez la Femme now can be used on her. Note the courier can make Benny go from being terrified of them to doing it with him within a couple of seconds with these perks, so there’s that.
 
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I vote incon btw. They both have solid wincons and I can't decide which is most likely.
 
are the bonecharms emily only means of luck? couriers is way superior.
if she somehow avoided SI whats her next move stealth then?
 
Loyd said:
does it have stealth feats against stealth detection the courier has plenty of ways to detect her.

if she chooses to ragdoll him with it im actually not sure/or cant remember if he can deal with something like that.
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Stonewall perk prevents the Courier from being knocked down in combat. Without that perk, ragdolling him is extremely effective and iirc the Courier actually can't do anything at all while ragdolled and takes several seconds to get back up if not ragdolled again.
 
The courier taking a cartoonishly long time to get up from being knocked down is liking a gameplay mechanic. A ton of Bethesda games have those get up animations (Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 and NV). A physical fit person should be able to get up in a second.

Though the Courier has the lifting strength advantage and Deathclaws can throw cars, yet they can’t knock the Courier over with that perk. So the courier maybe able to resist being rag dolled.
 
Keeweed said:
The courier taking a cartoonishly long time to get up from being knocked down is liking a gameplay mechanic. A ton of Bethesda games have those get up animations (Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 and NV). A physical fit person should be able to get up in a second.
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Even so, there's evidence that it's very effective. I once had a level 50 courier get comically stomped by tunnelers because he didn't have the Stonewall perk and they passed him around like dinner.

What's the assumption regarding perks? Do we assume he has the Stonewall perk, or is it 50/50?
 
When it comes to perks, while there is a limit to how many he can get, all the ones that would give him powers on this site can all be gotten at once. So he should have all the ones that would be relevant to fights.
 
Gotcha. In that case it's worth noting that Stonewall prevents knockdown on things as strong as Deathclaws and Legate Lanius but DOESN'T protect against knockdown from explosions.
 
I mean the perk that gives the player resist to energy weapons, actually doesn’t work in game due to a bug that was never fixed. So the stonewall perk have such a massive oversight seems to be bad programming. I always thinking just dismissing things as gameplay mechanics is a bad thing to do, but when it comes to Bethesda games they are famous for having bugs and massive programming oversights everywhere. So I think the description should take priority. Creatures with Class 5 lifting strength can’t knock them over so I don’t see why explosives with less throwing power would be able to knock them over.
 
That makes sense to me. The description simply reads "You cannot be knocked down in combat." We can use that with our upper limits in mind.
 
Seeeing as its a rpg character courier is like composite everything im sure if i looked into it he should have a counter for emily but im fine with incon aswell
 
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