Abeloth Upgrade

[Professor_Evelyn]

I don't say I believe it but if Lord Odion is universe level, Abeloth would be superior to him. Since she is above every force user in the verse save for the bedlam spirits. Thing is can we prove that he is universe level

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Did you stutter? Vitiate destroyed no galaxy, ever. He was going to by the Ritual, then got stopped by the Hero of Tythone. Lord Odion is literal trash compared to the likes of the tier 4 characters, he was no actual threat. And you could say "but they were legitimate threats!", but if he goes stop shit and his children disappear, everyone is ****** either way. He's focused on keeping his kids in control, his non intervention is not an argument.

I am chill? It is actually not. You are conjuring out of nowhere that it is because he doesn't wanna let them fight and ascribe that to the instaneous end of the galaxy with literally nothing better to back this up, which is bullcrap. And holding a galaxy together is not 3-C. All of the energy in all the stars of the entire galaxy is not 3-C either. Even if you say that, which is meaningless because the existence of Abeloth, the father and people like Luke show those two aren't the entirety of the force in the galaxy, they still aren't on that level. And you still have no stated timeframe, just a half cooked up explanation fo why his behavior totally hints at instantaneous destruction.

 

[Professor_Evelyn]

According to Wookiepedia's profile on Lord Odion it had this to say about his force ability "Later on Vanahame, he attempted to use the fear and panic of the child inmates in the cloister there to destroy the galaxy."

That is a galaxy busting feat right there with the force. Abeloth should be miles above that

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Using statements without timeframe or context.

Again.

Well done.

 

[Professor_Evelyn]

Thank you. If you reread what I said you'll notice Lord Odion is still a galaxy buster but i never stated his timeframe. All I said was that at the very least even if it takes full power Abeloth should be also galaxy level by scale. Unlike vititate, Odion isn't using a ritual it is straight force abilities. And would you look at that, Abeloth is a lot stronger than him in the force so by definition she is galaxy level.

No way you can say as a real star wars fan that Lord Odion has more force power than Abeloth

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That would also somehow put Lord Odion above the likes of Vitiate that sucked up the force of an entire planet and Darth Sidious... despite being a no name in the long history of the Sith as far as I remember and defeated by Kerry Holt, also a no name Jedi not known for being among the strongest of her time or being greatly gifted in the force, things that people that scale to 5-B already have.

I find your lack of actual scrutiny in this half assed upgrading attempt disturbing.

 

[Professor_Evelyn]

your point being? Being unknown doesn't lessen your power my friend. And it is well established that in star wars your force potential and your actual durability do not always match up. Physicaly Yoda and Sidious are frail and old but they are as powerful as they are with their force abilities so nothign you said takes away from the power of Odion.

You can't sweep this one under the rug my good man. Time to roll out the upgrades. Facts are facts

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So you are using the strongest light side user before Luke and the strongest dark side user in the entire history of Star Wars to justify a no name Sith that was never described to be anything special or hold a lot of power and was defeated by a no name Jedi that has no feats on that level and was never described as being very strong in the force or among the best of her generation or era in literally any way.

**** it, I'll just tell Ant to close this sad excuse for an upgrade and wait for Matt's proposal's or for Weekly to make a new thread with the relevant quotes he hasn't been able to find.

 

[LordTracer]

@Lancelot The Nathemic Ritual was literally shown to destroy a galaxy. I'm not seeing any backing to your claim that Odion was trash, especially when it was stated about five to six times that he was going to destroy the universe.

You really don't seem chill, but okay. The Father doesn't want them to fight because they'd destroy the galaxy. Can you prove it was going to happen over an extended period of time? Because you seem to think it was. How is binding the entire galaxy together not 3-C. And I don't know where you got that energy from stars stuff from, I never even mentioned that. And what does Luke, Abeloth and The Father have to do with The Son and The Daughter literally being the dark and light sides of the Force? You have no proof that it was going to happen over an extended period of time, and literally nothing implies that would be the case.

 

[Professor_Evelyn]

So what your sayign is your going to throw a temper tantrum when I bring up a sith lord that 'IN THE 'OFFICIAL MEDIA was going to destroy the galaxy because. . . you can't accept it? I only convey what is made by the people behind star wars you got a problem take it up with the comic writers

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That's... that's a vision. That didn't actually happen. Am I seriously gonna need to explain to you that in the story, which you can go look up because at this point I really can't care about these horrible arguments, Vitiate only used the ritual once in his home planet and was PLANNING to use it again on the galaxy after he enhanced it with technology and sith alchemy? Which he never accomplished?

I am chill, think whatever you want. I don't stop being chill because bullcrap logic and statements are being used and I need to point this out. And yes, let's trust Odion who is a literal nobody against the other Sith to be talking seriously and not in hyperbole when people absurdly stronger than him like Yoda or Sidious or Luke can't do what he claimed. Because he has totally shown feats that would make his statement believable and was beat by someone on that level.

 

[Professor_Evelyn]

Well Lacy my boi if all these characters are stronger than Odion then they all must be galaxy level to. (Also since when did force visions suddenly become unreliable)

If anyone cares to look up the entire conversation your only real point has been squaking about timeframes and now that we have a Galaxy Level Sith and a force vision backing the vitiate feat you suddenly clam up and your only counter is "WeLl It DoN't SeEm RiGhT" without actual proof?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You are the one making the statements, you are the ones that need to provide the proof for it. Odion is never described as very powerful in any sense, skilled in the force, being a super big manifestation of dark side energy, or whatever else, unlike people above him. IN this wiki, surprisingly, a dude saying he is gonna destroy the universe despite never having even the slightest feat or indication of being capable of this is complete horsecrap and unusable, surprisingly.

And what has ever been your point besides someone mentioning a galaxy and saying GALAXY LEVEL!!, exactly? None, just scrambling for whatever half assed thing looked usable. If you wanna use Odion, sure, find anything that would indicate he could actually destroy the galaxy instead of an empty statement.

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this thread until Matthew or Weekly decide to reopen it and provide better evidence then.