Accelerator vs Vanilla Ice

[Shey]

Vanilla Ice vs Accelerator


Battle takes Place in DIO's mansion

They start 10 meters away

This is Platinum Wings Accelerator, Ice is in his Void. Will change to Base Post-Headshot if this is a stomp

Accelerator:

Vanilla Ice:

Inconclusive:

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Could Accel interact with the void of Cream?

 

[Shey]

As far as I've read on his Abilities in his profile, no

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

wasn't accelerator something that can block even high complex multiverse attacks 11D

 

[Shey]

Yes but Cream negs durability and uses Void Manipulation

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

yes except can cream neg something that can block/redirect even higher dimensional existence

 

[Shey]

Idk about that, all I know is that it ignores dura maybe someone could clarify if that stops it

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

at least from what i know Accel vector manipulation work even against incorporeal entities
and as long as it has vector he can most likely reflect it up to 11D

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

yes except can cream neg something that can block/redirect even higher dimensional existence

If Accelerator can't interact with the void, he can't block it. And apparently he doesn't have void manipulation or non physical interaction against voids (or I missed it somewhere).

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

yeah noticed it wasn't listed but he was shown to be able to redirect even incorporeal entities

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

yeah noticed it wasn't listed but he was shown to be able to redirect even incorporeal entities

That's not the same as interacting with a void, tho. Or at least, I don't think so.

Moreover, stands are incorporeal even to other incorporeal entities. So baseline NPI doesn't work against (although this may or may not be necessarily applicable to the void itself, not sure).

 

[Confluctor]

So, what can Cream do Accel?

Accel can't touch him in the slightest, and I don't think Cream can much cause this Accel keeps his distance when fighting.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So, what can Cream do Accel?

Accel can't touch him in the slightest, and I don't think Cream can much cause this Accel keeps his distance when fighting.

Can Accel even detect it at all?

 

[Confluctor]

Does he even need to if Cream's attacks can't reach that far? From what I remember, Cream's attack range isn't that high.


also, Accel can just incap his human/user with some ranged attacks like earth manip

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Does he even need to if Cream's attacks can't reach that far? From what I remember, Cream's attack range isn't that high.


also, Accel can just incap his human/user with some ranged attacks like earth manip

Cream is a void that moves around when attacking, tho.

He can't if he can't interact with the void, much less Cream itself when baseline npi doesn't work against stands and Vanilla Ice goes inside Cream itself.

 

[StekFence]

Does he even need to if Cream's attacks can't reach that far? From what I remember, Cream's attack range isn't that high.


also, Accel can just incap his human/user with some ranged attacks like earth manip

The user is inside cream in the void when they fight.

 

[Confluctor]

Cream is a void that moves around when attacking, tho.

Can you please explain.

He can't if he can't interact with the void, much less Cream itself when baseline npi doesn't work against stands and Vanilla Ice goes inside Cream itself.

I mean the user of the stand. Like how Polnareff defeated him. I can't remember seeing the stand act on its own

 

[StekFence]

Basically, the users combat strategy is, Make cream eat him, then eat itself. This creates what is functionally a portal to a void Dimension. He can move this Spherical void around, but can’t see out of it, so he occasionally sticks his head out.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

StekFence is correct. If Accel can't do anything against the void, much less detect him, well... Cream voids.

 

[Confluctor]

genuine question, how was Polnareff able to defeat him then? I get the "only stands can affect one another", then how was he able to defeat the user of the stand.

 

[StekFence]

genuine question, how was Polnareff able to defeat him then? I get the "only stands can affect one another", then how was he able to defeat the user of the stand.

well, Vanilla got out of the void, and then got stabbed a lot, and then lured into sunlight, where he proceeded to get dusted

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

genuine question, how was Polnareff able to defeat him then? I get the "only stands can affect one another", then how was he able to defeat the user of the stand.

Avdol saved him, giving him intel Accel can't get here. After that, Pol (tried to) was extremely careful, and even then it took figuring out Vanilla's weaknesses and Iggy's sacrifice to make him come out of the void in the first place.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Accel needs to understand what a stand is and what a void it in order for him to be able to reflect/deflect it
PW accel can redirect incorporeal things because he is now aware about them or knows about them

Kakine was the closest one that managed to reach him but he soon figured out the nature of Kakine's unknown matter/power and understood how it works thus he was able to use vector against it.

so the big question will accel learn and understand Stand and void in time to deflect/reflect it?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

If it helps Accel, Cream does move in extremely telegraph patterns to try and mitigate his weakness of not being able to see while within the void. If he finds a way to detect it (like Pol did by using dust), that can help him avoid it and give him time.

 

[Shey]

genuine question, how was Polnareff able to defeat him then? I get the "only stands can affect one another", then how was he able to defeat the user of the stand.

It's listed in his weakness section, he got into a blind rage because Iggy and Polnareff made him hit an image of DIO so he ditched his stand and was tormenting Iggy, then Polnareff used this to his advantage and lured him to sunlight.

This is not going to happen in this battle

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

It's listed in his weakness section, he got into a blind rage because Iggy and Polnareff made him hit an image of DIO so he ditched his stand and was tormenting Iggy, then Polnareff used this to his advantage and lured him to sunlight.

This is not going to happen in this battle

you could say it was too bizarre to happen in this battle

 

[Chariot190]

genuine question, how was Polnareff able to defeat him then? I get the "only stands can affect one another", then how was he able to defeat the user of the stand.

He was saved a few times over by his friends, who in turned died saving his ass, so every time Ice came out to check if he got him Pol was able to strike him because his friends took the hit for him or saved him.
Atop of Pol exploiting Ice's obsession with Dio and goading him into coming towards the light and knocking him into it because Ice was having a moment because he was turned into a vampire but didnt realize it himself, while Pol did.

 

[Shey]

Is that a motherf***ing JoJo reference

you could say it was too bizarre to happen in this battle

 

[Shey]

If it helps Accel, Cream does move in extremely telegraph patterns to try and mitigate his weakness of not being able to see while within the void. If he finds a way to detect it (like Pol did by using dust), that can help him avoid it and give him time.

He only ever moved telegraphed which was in circles iirc, when he knew Polnareff was immobilized after he had eaten his legs, Cream would just start out by entering his void, charging straight towards Accel and then a Frenzy.

I don't really see him having enough time to tell Ice's pattern especially when he can't even detect him once he disappears.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If this is platinum wings he thinks and Vanilla gets twisted to pieces and his regen negated, unless he already starts the match inside his stand

 

[Shey]

Does he start with this?
If so either I change the op to cream starting in his stand or Post-Headshot or Wings that don't insta stomp

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

He only ever moved telegraphed which was in circles iirc, when he knew Polnareff was immobilized after he had eaten his legs, Cream would just start out by entering his void, charging straight towards Accel and then a Frenzy.

I don't really see him having enough time to tell Ice's pattern especially when he can't even detect him once he disappears.

Oh, I agree with you. Just throwing Accel a bone, y'know.

 

[Shey]

Bump

 

[Shey]

Bump

 

[Shey]

Bump

 

[NightcoreRayRay]

Does he start with this?
If so either I change the op to cream starting in his stand or Post-Headshot or Wings that don't insta stomp

the only thing that will resolve in insta stomp for sure is if you pair Black wings accel againest Vanilla Ice, because that means he goes auto bloodlust and does exactly what

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless says straight away. (accel being plat wings doing that immedatly is up for debate based on his personality by then since this is no bloodlust to begin with, although with black wings that just makes him only think of killing/murderous intent e.g.)​

Also stands are the manfestiation of someone battle instinct correct? doesn't this mean their stand is basically their soul since it links to them directly like if their stand dies they die. similiar to your soul dying you also die? haven't read GT yet, and haven't read NT in a while. though i heard something about accel having soul manip in plat wings innit? can someone elaborate on that?

 

[StekFence]

the only thing that will resolve in insta stomp for sure is if you pair Black wings accel againest Vanilla Ice, because that means he goes auto bloodlust and does exactly what

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless says straight away. (accel being plat wings doing that immedatly is up for debate based on his personality by then, cuz black wings just make him only think of killing/murderous intent e.g.)​

Also stands are the manfestiation of someone battle instinct correct? doesn't this mean their stand is basically their soul since it links to them directly like if their stand dies they die. similiar to your soul dying you also die? haven't read GT yet, and haven't read NT in a while. though i heard something about accel having soul manip in plat wings innit? can someone elaborate on that?

U would need enhanced Npi to soul manip a stand Away I think.

 

[NightcoreRayRay]

U would need enhanced Npi to soul manip a stand Away I think.

whats the basis for this? theres no way to compare certain standards of levels of this kind of manulations among two different series. So unless there is a certain and very specific restrictive or protective condition for either party. soul manip will soul manip.

for example accel's astral projection in plat wings, i don't see whats stopping plat accel from doing this:

If the stand counts as a soul. accel can separate the two from each other like he did with coronzon whos like Tier 1C. since the user would no longer have any direct affiliation or ownership of the stand or physical body. theoretically, they both die because they are supposed to be bound to another for survival yes? (with the exception if the stand is a possessive type)


Wait whats NPI

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

whats the basis for this? theres no way to compare certain standards of levels of this kind of manulations among two different series. So unless there is a certain and very specific restrictive or protective condition for either party. soul manip will soul manip.

for example accel's astral projection in plat wings, i don't see whats stopping acell from doing this:

if the stand counts as a soul. accel can separate the two from each other like he did with coronza whos like Tier 1A. since the user would no longer have any direct affiliation or ownership of the stand or physical body. theoretically, they both die because they are supposed to be bound to another for survival yes?


Wait whats NPI

Non-Physical Interaction = NPI

 

[NightcoreRayRay]

what happens to a stand when the user dies - Google Search

im mostly basing on the: Since a Stand is the form of its User's psyche, they share an intimate psychic bond part as a theory