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Adding some abilities (Instant Death)

Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
That same UEG in that 'void where things can't be created and got absorbed by the darkness' is also implied to just be having something similar to a near-death experience, the place in and of itself can be determined to not even be real.
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It was Kouryu who talked about the near-death experience, and he admitted that most of what he said was nonsense meant to annoy and belittle UEG.
 
There is proof that the objects The End contains are merely an imitation or shadow of its true self and that The End will still exist even if all the participating objects are erased. This is very CM 1 🙏
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I told you this is a large topic and it will be controversial, and it would be better to move it to the staff section.
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There is no reason to make it staff thread just because everyone disagrees with you

Debated threads are usual, read rules about controversial abilities.
Azertyhuuh said:
Phoenks ( BDE 1 the end)
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Does bro know 😖

Azertyhuuh said:
The End: NEP 2

As we stated previously, the world contains everything without exception, including the Sea of Darkness, which is a void possessing NEP 1. Since information is what composes the world and can itself be regarded as the world itself, as explained earlier, then the End transcends both nonexistence and existence simultaneously. Its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end of everything, where nothing remains and nothing can exist there. It is the end of information and the entire world itself because it is the end of all things. For this reason, it does not possess information, as is evident from Side 4 of NEP 1, because it represents the end of everything where absolutely nothing exists, as we have repeatedly stated, and this point was already discussed previously.
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Complete headcanon. Not to mention no scans for this posted which is already red flag from you, transcending them is merely your interpretation.

Accepted scans never tell this, so in nowhere you can get "End is beyond distinction between existence and nonexistence" to get NEP 2. In fact for same reason you didn't even get Void Manipulation for him. So no weird logic here.

I will just post for staff what are actually scans



Being End of everything isn't merely transcending it. In fact he is one of the neccesarily laws of world

Idk how you wrote him as transcending everything, I just noticed how profile justifications became so bad.

"Nothing beyond = Transcendant"
 
Hecky2222 said:
There is no reason to make it staff thread just because everyone disagrees with you

Debated threads are usual, read rules about controversial abilities.

Does bro know 😖


Complete headcanon. Not to mention no scans for this posted which is already red flag from you, transcending them is merely your interpretation.

Accepted scans never tell this, so in nowhere you can get "End is beyond distinction between existence and nonexistence" to get NEP 2. In fact for same reason you didn't even get Void Manipulation for him. So no weird logic here.

I will just post for staff what are actually scans



Being End of everything isn't merely transcending it. In fact he is one of the neccesarily laws of world

Idk how you wrote him as transcending everything, I just noticed how profile justifications became so bad.

"Nothing beyond = Transcendant"
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Funny.

First, his true form already has Void Manipulation in his profile.

You didn’t even understand the basis of the argument, yet you’re replying while all these scans you posted are already in the thread lol.

Information is what composes and defines the entire world, and can be regarded as the world itself as I explained and as has already been accepted and established:

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3])

a condensation of information and power that could be called the world itself
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The world itself contains everything without exception, as I already demonstrated and supported with evidence, and this is stated by the Ultimate God.
Ah, and by the way, “world” here refers to an ultimate collective set that includes all possible worlds. Because if you simply use the word “world,” it creates confusion—people start asking: what about outside the world? What about other dimensions? What about parallel worlds? So when I say “world,” I mean everything without exception. I want you to understand it that way as well.
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Since information composes and defines the entire world and can be regarded as the world itself, and the world itself contains the Sea of Darkness—which is a void possessing NEP—then information is what composes both existence and nonexistence.

And since his true form is the end of everything and the end of the entire world and all that it contains, being the final destination of all fates and the only thing that remains in the end, and it defines and determines the end of all things, and its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end where nothing exists and nothing is allowed to exist, then the “End” lies outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy. This is because information defines existence and nonexistence within the world, while the End represents the termination of the entire system itself, where nothing remains and nothing exists at all.

Since the End lacks information, as shown in his profile, its nature is completely outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy because it lacks the informational structure that defines both existence and nonexistence. It is literally the end of information itself and therefore the end of everything, where nothing remains.

This is the basis of the argument. It has nothing to do with transcendence or the things you’re talking about. If you’re done, we can now wait for the staff’s opinion.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Funny.

First, his true form already has Void Manipulation in his profile.

You didn’t even understand the basis of the argument, yet you’re replying while all these scans you posted are already in the thread lol.

Information is what composes and defines the entire world, and can be regarded as the world itself as I explained and as has already been accepted and established:

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3])



The world itself contains everything without exception, as I already demonstrated and supported with evidence, and this is stated by the Ultimate God.

Since information composes and defines the entire world and can be regarded as the world itself, and the world itself contains the Sea of Darkness—which is a void possessing NEP—then information is what composes both existence and nonexistence.

And since his true form is the end of everything and the end of the entire world and all that it contains, being the final destination of all fates and the only thing that remains in the end, and it defines and determines the end of all things, and its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end where nothing exists and nothing is allowed to exist, then the “End” lies outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy. This is because information defines existence and nonexistence within the world, while the End represents the termination of the entire system itself, where nothing remains and nothing exists at all.

Since the End lacks information, as shown in his profile, its nature is completely outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy because it lacks the informational structure that defines both existence and nonexistence. It is literally the end of information itself and therefore the end of everything, where nothing remains.

This is the basis of the argument. It has nothing to do with transcendence or the things you’re talking about. If you’re done, we can now wait for the staff’s opinion.
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Just letting you know phoneks doesnt count since they are OCBW staff
 
Mbpoops said:
Just letting you know phoneks doesnt count since they are OCBW staff
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Haha what, what do you mean? He’s a staff member, he has a staff badge. This is the first time I’ve heard about this. What do you mean by OCBW staff? We are on VSBW—I thought the blue and green badges were just for decoration lol. First time hearing about this.
 
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
That same UEG in that 'void where things can't be created and got absorbed by the darkness' is also implied to just be having something similar to a near-death experience, the place in and of itself can be determined to not even be real.
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Could you elaborate?

Also, I'm not staff so don't count me on your OP. I just give thoughts on random things I see in the CRT section sometimes.

Btw BDE Type 1 for it seems fine since it's nothingness is pretty explicitly lacking in spatio-temporal existence given that UEG trying to "erase space and time" (or whatever it said) was redundant due it just being nothingness and such. She even says verbatim that there is no point in trying to destroy something that doesn't exist.
 
Phoenks said:
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Here for elaboration of the scans


Azertyhuuh said:
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And on that note: now that I further read and even re-read to make sure when im seeing.

BDE1 still doesn't make sense to me and to clarify, it doesn't read as what it says.

Acasuality 5 can't be added either:
What we know as
Type 5 Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

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Reposting this again.
The fact that she got swallowed up is a disqualifier. If she was beyond/transcended quality to where it can't affect her then she shouldn't have been affected.

BDE1 you need more evidence for, Aca5 is immediately disqualified and is just seen as greater type 4

This should be my second to last message unless someone needs me for further clarification or I get quoted
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Haha what, what do you mean? He’s a staff member, he has a staff badge. This is the first time I’ve heard about this. What do you mean by OCBW staff? We are on VSBW—I thought the blue and green badges were just for decoration lol. First time hearing about this.
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You can only count those with blue badge with the "VS Battles" on it. Of course excluding Content Mods, Translator Mods and Image Helper.

If they have Jokes Battles badge (Purple) or FC/OC Battles (Green similar to Administrator), you can't count their vote as a staff vote, as they're basically not a VS Battles Wiki staffs, which is the Blue one. You can only count their votes just like a normal members, a.k.a like a blue name dudes.

To put it in funny way:
Blue + Green = Yes
Blue + Red = Yes
Green + Green = No
Purple + Green/Red = No


So from now, you know it. 👍
 
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Azertyhuuh said:
Type 5 acausality:

We will now talk about its darkness:

Here, when UEG was inside its darkness—despite being one of the highest-ranking gods in the narrative—she herself could not understand anything there and did not even know where she was. This is despite her being nearly omniscient. Nevertheless, she could not even determine her own location, which indicates that she is beyond everything. The evidence continues: she attempted to travel and move to parallel worlds or other universes, yet all of this failed. There was truly nothing there at all.

The gods are capable of time travel, dimensional travel, and even teleportation:



Although she was capable of teleporting anywhere, traveling through time, or moving across dimensions, here she was completely unable to do any of that, as if she were entirely isolated from all of reality. There was no time, no space, no world, and nothing at all. She confirmed that there was truly nothing, which also supports what I said to you about BDE 1.

After that, UEG tried to destroy everything (space-time, the universe, and higher universes, including it as well). However, all of this power that was supposed to destroy all these things vanished into its darkness and had no effect on anything whatsoever. The text once again confirms that there is absolutely nothing here.

Since she could neither do anything nor go anywhere, despite being one of the gods and capable of creating anything there—even an entire world—whatever she created there would melt into its darkness and disappear instantly. The text states that nothing is allowed to exist there.

After that, UEG herself realized that she too was melting into the darkness, and she completely dissolved—her form, her sense of self, and even her very identity—until she disappeared into the darkness and came to an end.
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the bolded part kills type 5 acausality. if you're arguing the realm itself has type 5 acausality thent he fact it can "melt things and disolve them into darkness" means that it does things and doing things is cause and effect

cause - the realm melt or disolves things

effect - the thing is disolved

so yea disagree with type 5 aca everything else idc
 
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Azertyhuuh said:
I am not discussing Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation. Rather, I am discussing the issue that his true form is a Type 1 concept itself. He has Type 1 Abstract Existence, and I am arguing that he is a Type 1 concept only.

Since he is one of the rules that defines and determines the entire world, and he is its end where the entire world has already ended with nothing remaining, as I explained in my first reply where absolutely nothing exists, then he is a Type 1 independent concept. The entire world ends at him and returns to him as the final destination of all things. Therefore, he is independent from the entire world, and thus he is a Type 1 concept.
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By the way, you haven't even proven it is a concept in the first place

The OP just discusses independence, but The End wasn't accepted as a conceptual being at all, just Law

So you have to prove him being a Type 2 Concept first
 
so from what am understaing, The end literally is only classifed as a law, it isnt like for example like eternity or oblivion from marvel. true form hasnt beed adress as a conceptual entity to begin with right?
 
Now that I have time let's do it, FYI, i am just replying to the op and haven't seen any other post.
1. Type 5 Acausality
This is arguably the weakest part of the argument. As I understand it, the reasoning is:
  • UEG enters the Sea of Darkness.
  • The Sea of Darkness lacks space, time, dimensions, universes, etc.
  • Her abilities cease functioning.
  • Therefore, the Sea of Darkness transcends causality and qualifies for Type 5 Acausality.
The problem is that the evidence presented does not actually establish the absence of causality.
What the scans show is
  • UEG becomes trapped.
  • Teleportation fails.
  • Dimensional travel fails.
  • Time-related abilities cannot be used.
  • She gradually dissolves.
None of these points demonstrate that causality itself is absent.
Type 5 Acausality generally requires evidence that something exists fundamentally outside all causal relations, beyond cause and effect altogether and not subject to causal determination in any form. The thread never demonstrates anything of that magnitude. At most, it shows that the Sea of Darkness is a void where conventional abilities no longer function.
Those are not the same thing.
  • A lack of spacetime does not automatically imply a lack of causality.
  • The inability to travel does not imply a lack of causality.
  • Powers failing to function does not imply transcendence of causality.
In fact, the evidence presented still suggests cause-and-effect relationships are operating. UEG enters the Sea of Darkness and, as a result, her powers stop working and she begins to dissolve. That is itself a causal sequence.
Simply establishing that a realm is empty or devoid of conventional structures does not prove that causality is absent. "Nothingness" and "acausality" are not interchangeable concepts.

2. BDE Type 1
Azertyhuuh said:
The Mysterious Space is a space that exists outside all time and space; therefore, this Mysterious Space possesses a BDE 1 nature and is also referred to as the “Question Corner” or the Mysterious Space.
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It was Author's Q&A you can't use it for BDE, it will only give you 4th wall breaking.

I don't partake in nep related stuff, so I'll leave it for other staff.
Anyways i disagree with Acausality type 5 and BDE 1.
 
AlexSamDen said:
Yuh


And I'm not seeing concept here at all
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Should be realistically removed since AE and NEP doesn't come together
Azertyhuuh said:
Funny.

First, his true form already has Void Manipulation in his profile.

You didn’t even understand the basis of the argument, yet you’re replying while all these scans you posted are already in the thread lol.

Information is what composes and defines the entire world, and can be regarded as the world itself as I explained and as has already been accepted and established:

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3])



The world itself contains everything without exception, as I already demonstrated and supported with evidence, and this is stated by the Ultimate God.

Since information composes and defines the entire world and can be regarded as the world itself, and the world itself contains the Sea of Darkness—which is a void possessing NEP—then information is what composes both existence and nonexistence.

And since his true form is the end of everything and the end of the entire world and all that it contains, being the final destination of all fates and the only thing that remains in the end, and it defines and determines the end of all things, and its darkness is a void of nothingness representing the end where nothing exists and nothing is allowed to exist, then the “End” lies outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy. This is because information defines existence and nonexistence within the world, while the End represents the termination of the entire system itself, where nothing remains and nothing exists at all.

Since the End lacks information, as shown in his profile, its nature is completely outside the existence/nonexistence dichotomy because it lacks the informational structure that defines both existence and nonexistence. It is literally the end of information itself and therefore the end of everything, where nothing remains.

This is the basis of the argument. It has nothing to do with transcendence or the things you’re talking about. If you’re done, we can now wait for the staff’s opinion.
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What I meant is NEP Erasure, mb. I know he has Void Manipulation, but for manipulating void. Different thing

My points are relevant because

And before you go "You strawmaned me, without understanding argument" while missing my point completely, let me explain.

Information or whatever defining existence and nonexistence obviously common thing in fiction.

In your basis you have headcanon about information defining nonexistence since it is "Core of the world" Few problems here chief

1. No proof for it except this. Not really good thing to prove how information defines world tbf, you need to have self-evident example how this defines also nonexistence
2. Your scan doesn't really show "End exists outside of all of those things", End is part of world, not outside of it. So if we say NEP True Form, we can js assume "Sea of Darkness is part of him" not like "He can erase NEP" <- Something never proven btw, and never even accepted. This also goes for "Existence outside of Sea of Darkness" so when you claim it, prove it without vague statements "world = darkness, yogiri beyond it"
3. Only relevant part prob this:
Ah, and by the way, “world” here refers to an ultimate collective set that includes all possible worlds. Because if you simply use the word “world,” it creates confusion—people start asking: what about outside the world? What about other dimensions? What about parallel worlds? So when I say “world,” I mean everything without exception. I want you to understand it that way as well.
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But taken out of context, since lemme present you whole scan:

Scan obviously refers very different thing, It is explaining how Ultimate Ensemble World is often called "world" sometimes. Already written in cosmology page
So it doesn't prove how terminology of world = everything, nor explains how information is essentially defines whole world including nonexistence. Unless you want to create massive contradictions like one world = another world js because they are called worlds.

Even you go by chapters your scan comes from Instant Death Volume 15 Chapter Something Unnecessary and information scan from Volume 9 Chapter 10 . And you are assuming these two correlated, not creating only non sequitur but association fallacy. idk how this is good terminology example.

Btw, please don't even bother to reply if your arguments don't go beyond "ummmm Yogiri can end everything", "So you are denying author's words", it adds nothing to conversation, you can js wait staff at this point. I won't touch Ac5, BDE 1 cuz others already butchered it

@Ruler_Star_Kuma Yogiri still destroys tapestry keep rage kid
 
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