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Alive/Edo Madara Durability Upgrade, and KCM Naruto Upgrade, and others

So its better to assume that Hashirama jumped twice, instead of that he only landed once we see him again? Why would he even jump another time, he has no reason to in order to drop his gates.
 
Duedate8898 said:
So its better to assume that Hashirama jumped twice, instead of that he only landed once we see him again? Why would he even jump another time, he has no reason to in order to drop his gates.
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Ok, so your idea is that Hashirama released his dragon?-like bindings off of Madara during or after the Rasenshuriken hit and activated the gates on top of Madara.

Then, if Madara tanked the hit, how come the visual jutsu ninja didn't avoid the gates? Or you are saying Edo Hashirama's speed is greater than Edo Madara's speed?
 
My idea is that the dragon got destroyed when the Rasen Shuriken hit, while Hashirama went to drop the gates at the same time the attack connected. And if one came right after the other, Madara would have no time to move, hence him being trapped under the gates.

In terms of speed, the pair should still be comparable which makes such a feat easy to believe.
 
Duedate8898 said:
@elixir

Hashirama only completed his fall after we see him again, so we know it wasn't that long of time frame in which we see the pair of them again. All the gates appearance does is imply that Hashirama can summon them to the battlefield at high speeds.
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ElixirBlue said:
Or Hashirama jumped.
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Duedate8898 said:
So its better to assume that Hashirama jumped twice, instead of that he only landed once we see him again? Why would he even jump another time, he has no reason to in order to drop his gates.
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  • Hashirama jumping backwards before the Rasenshuriken hits with Madara bond by dragons?.
  • Hashirama jumping forward when we cut back to Madara after an unknown period of time with Gates on him.
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ElixirBlue said:
No, the gates were holding Madara down. That's why they were confident the Rasenshuriken would hit.

And yes, it was effortlessly. The time frame of Madara breaking the gates is a lllloooooooooootttttttttt shorter than the time frame of the Rasenshuriken hitting Madara and then the story coming back to Madara to see the results of the attack.
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No, it was the abosrbing wood dragon wrapped around his body that was holding him in place. Also, why is that low 6-B? Didn't the deity gates hold down the ten tails, a High 6-A?

The time frame isn't that relevant. Maybe it took all his force, just in one quick blow, so it seemed effortless.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Question, where does the proposed High 6-C tier come from? Shouldn't it be just 6-C scaling from the Third Raikage and Hachibi if this upgrade were to be accepted?
Another question is about Madara breaking out of Hashirama's seal, is it PIS?
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Hachibi is actually 6-C to Low 6-B, so Madara should get that too.

Possibly, considering the deity gates held down the ten tails.
 
M3X said:
Everything from this post is wrong. The current calculations aren't useful anymore due to the recalculations. We are already working in a new scaling for 80% of the cast
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What recalculations?
 
ElixirBlue said:
Ok, so your idea is that Hashirama released his dragon?-like bindings off of Madara during or after the Rasenshuriken hit and activated the gates on top of Madara.

Then, if Madara tanked the hit, how come the visual jutsu ninja didn't avoid the gates? Or you are saying Edo Hashirama's speed is greater than Edo Madara's speed?
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Maybe it got destroyed by the rasenshuriken, and then he summoned the gates. Honestly, the fact that Madara was trapped in the first place further proves that it wasn't a large timeframe. Cause if it was, Madara would've ran away before Hashirama trapped him.

And possibly, considering Hashirama is more powerful.
 
Honestly, even if he jumped twice, that still means Madara basically didn't have time to regenerate. He jumped away, then while the dragon was destroyed, he summoned the gates on top of Madara. Then, when he landed backwards, he probably instantly jumped back to Madara. So that was still a pretty short timeframe.
 
Honestly, even if he jumped twice, that still means Madara basically didn't have time to regenerate. He jumped away, then while the dragon was destroyed, he summoned the gates on top of Madara. Then, when he landed backwards, he probably instantly jumped back to Madara. So that was still a pretty short timeframe.

But if Madara tanked it, he would have ran away before Hashirama threw a gate on him. There is no reason for Madara to sit there and potentially he let himself get sealed.

The only reason why he would still be there if he was busy regenerating.
 
But if Madara tanked it, he would have ran away before Hashirama threw a gate on him. There is no reason for Madara to sit there and potentially he let himself get sealed.

Sorry to interrupt but yes there is... Madara's plan was to wait until Rinne Tensei was used to bering him back to life. Look, what he said when Zetsu got to Obito. He said to Hashi "Now its my time to counterattack" with Hashi saying that the War was over.

Do any of you forget that Madara had impaled Hashi with black rods and could restrain him anytime?
 
Sorry to interrupt but yes there is... Madara's plan was to wait until Rinne Tensei was used to bering him back to life. Look, what he said when Zetsu got to Obito. He said to Hashi "Now its my time to counterattack" with Hashi saying that the War was over.

Do any of you forget that Madara had impaled Hashi with black rods and could restrain him anytime?

Yeah, he was waiting but getting sealed was still a risk for him. Is there evidence he could resist sealing in Edo form?
 
ElixirBlue said:
Sorry to interrupt but yes there is... Madara's plan was to wait until Rinne Tensei was used to bering him back to life. Look, what he said when Zetsu got to Obito. He said to Hashi "Now its my time to counterattack" with Hashi saying that the War was over.
Do any of you forget that Madara had impaled Hashi with black rods and could restrain him anytime?
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Yeah, he was waiting but getting sealed was still a risk for him. Is there evidence he could resist sealing in Edo form?
Madara in its Edo form has sealing resistance on its profile.


Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Pulled his soul back into his body after the release of the Edo Tensei jutsu), Sealing, Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation and Disease Manipulation
 
ElixirBlue said:
But if Madara tanked it, he would have ran away before Hashirama threw a gate on him. There is no reason for Madara to sit there and potentially he let himself get sealed.

The only reason why he would still be there if he was busy regenerating.
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I mean he put the gates on top of him as the dragon was destroyed. Or Madara was held back enough by the explosion to not move.
 
But that's as much as an assumption as saying he had to stay still to regen.

There is evidence time past and for the scene not to instantly transition to not assume there wasn't enough time for Madara to regen.
 
ElixirBlue said:
But that's as much as an assumption as saying he had to stay still to regen.
There is evidence time past and for the scene not to instantly transition to not assume there wasn't enough time for Madara to regen.
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There's evidence enough in the fact that Hashirama stated it didn't take him down.
 
GokuSparkle said:
ElixirBlue said:
But that's as much as an assumption as saying he had to stay still to regen.
There is evidence time past and for the scene not to instantly transition to not assume there wasn't enough time for Madara to regen.
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There's evidence enough in the fact that Hashirama stated it didn't take him down.
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This.
 
... :/ I lack a counter to that right now. It's been so long now I've been forgetting the direction of my arguments
 
I think the arguments so far have been sufficient against it.
 
Madara's durability can't be upgraded based on this one feat, which is plagued by assumptions. Fact of the matter is, we don't know how Madara wasn't taken down by the Chou-FRS as it's off screen. All Hashirama said was he managed to stop Madara's movements.

Any arguments for or against him tanking it is are thus unquantifiable unless there is evidence suggesting otherwise from other showings. Unlike the former, there are showings that suggest Madara didn't "tank it". Most Notably is Madara resorting to Preta path and considering A regular FRS a threat because it had too much energy:

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TheFinalOrder said:
Madara's durability can't be upgraded based on this one feat, which is plagued by assumptions. Fact of the matter is, we don't know how Madara wasn't taken down by the Chou-FRS as it's off screen. All Hashirama said was he managed to stop Madara's movements.
Any arguments for or against him tanking it is are thus unquantifiable unless there is evidence suggesting otherwise from other showings. Unlike the former, there are showings that suggest Madara didn't "tank it". Most Notably is Madara resorting to Preta path and considering A regular FRS a threat because it had too much energy:

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That was Edo Madara, alive Madara is far stronger.
 
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