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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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"Kai is accepted as canon DBS anime"
Again don't use one measily scene to say that. Add a more important prove. Even the OST are better
Plus, no. This is really don't mean that EVERY added scene that Kai used for the original anime is canon (btw i was wrong, this is just an entire filler flashback and no an entire episode, but this is not important)
And the feat is bullshit lmao.
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Why would they even show King Vegeta's feat in DBS Anime? King Vegeta holds no relevance besides in the flashback we got in BoG, and he only appeared to show Vegeta knew about Beerus. It makes no sense to make a flashback about a feat that holds no relevance to the events in DBS, regardless its canonicity.
What you're implying is that "the only filler scenes from Kai that are Canon to DBS are the flashbacks that are shown". That makes no sense; if DBS Anime is a direct continuation of Kai —which, as other people have shown to you above, it is—, then all things that happen in Kai are Canon to the series, that's what being a sequel implies. And that's regardless if they appear or not in the original manga, because DBS Anime isn't a continuation of the original manga, but of DBZ Kai.
What you're implying is that "the only filler scenes from Kai that are Canon to DBS are the flashbacks that are shown". That makes no sense; if DBS Anime is a direct continuation of Kai —which, as other people have shown to you above, it is—, then all things that happen in Kai are Canon to the series, that's what being a sequel implies. And that's regardless if they appear or not in the original manga, because DBS Anime isn't a continuation of the original manga, but of DBZ Kai.
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I'm not saying that they should have shown King Vegeta's feat in DBS anime. Ths is just non-canon. Final. DBS, being a continuation of DBZ Kai don't prove King Vegeta's feat being canon to DBS anime if only ONE non-canon scene from a CANON fight of DBZ Kai exists in DBS anime.
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Meaning you don't actually have that much evidence
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"DBZ Kai being Canon to DBS Anime doesn't prove that something that happens in DBZ Kai is Canon to DBS Anime".
Ok bro. This debate is pointless at this point. If all your arguments is "this is just non-canon. Final" you aren't gonna convince anyone
Ok bro. This debate is pointless at this point. If all your arguments is "this is just non-canon. Final" you aren't gonna convince anyone
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Why should i need of that?
King Vegeta's scene is part of the non-canon part of DBZ and DBZ Kai. This don't have any value except if we're talking about the feat IN the anime
Scaling canon feats over non-canon feat is so stupid
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"DBZ Kai being Canon to DBS Anime doesn't prove that something that happens in DBZ Kai is Canon to DBS Anime".
No
"DBZ Kai being Canon to DBS Anime don't prove that all the fillers found in DBZ Kai are Canon to DBS Anime".
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Why should you need evidence for a claim? Damn bro
Anyway gonna wait for @TiltedFN and bend you over.
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Hmmm so you big brain is actualy saying that i need evidence to prove that "DBZ Kai being Canon to DBS Anime don't prove that all the fillers found in DBZ Kai are Canon to DBS Anime".
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you guys are the ones who are saying that filler scenes like King Vegeta's feat are CANON to DBS ANIME. YOU GUYS need to prove it.
I don't NEED to have a proof since YOU don't have one.
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It has been proven and accepted that the "Dragon Ball Z Kai" Anime is Canon to the "Dragon Ball Super" Anime
The events that occurred in the "Dragon Ball Z Kai" Anime also occurred in the "Dragon Ball Super" Anime. The two series take place in the same continuity.
If King Vegeta did a feat in "DBZKAI", it means it happened in the past in the "DBS" Anime.
The events that occurred in the "Dragon Ball Z Kai" Anime also occurred in the "Dragon Ball Super" Anime. The two series take place in the same continuity.
If King Vegeta did a feat in "DBZKAI", it means it happened in the past in the "DBS" Anime.
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Bro is trying to copy me, and this is what he brings?Hmm so you don't have one?
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How many times should i repeat myself to you big brains?
DBZ Kai being Canon to DBS Anime don't prove that all the fillers found in DBZ Kai are Canon to DBS Anime.
There is only ONE filler scene in DBS Anime and it comes from a CANON fight (Gohan vs Cell).
So "If King Vegeta did a feat in "DBZKAI", it means it happened in the past in the "DBS" Anime."
No!
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And stop saying that DBZ Kai follows DBS Anime.
DBZ Kai have NO original scene. All scenes belongs to DBZ anime. And there is only one if not three filler scene s from DBZ Kai in 131 épisodes.
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There is no "FILLERS" in DRAGON BALL ANIME
You just used the following argument yourself: "Manga and anime are completely different things. Have fun with both." ANIME AND MANGA ARE NOT CONNECTED, THERE ARE NO FILLERS IN THERE
If we go this route we'll have to throw away the entire DBS anime because it has no connection to the manga, Is the entire DBS anime one big filler?
Even Goku's farts are not filler, they are completely canon
You just used the following argument yourself: "Manga and anime are completely different things. Have fun with both." ANIME AND MANGA ARE NOT CONNECTED, THERE ARE NO FILLERS IN THERE
If we go this route we'll have to throw away the entire DBS anime because it has no connection to the manga, Is the entire DBS anime one big filler?
Even Goku's farts are not filler, they are completely canon
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Just stop talking about things that don't make sense
Fillers are NO original contents. DBZ Anime's filler scenes are NO original contents.
AND DBZ Kai adding them in their version don't change their vallues.
Even if DBS Anime is a continuation of DBZ Kai, this don't made ALL filler scenes added in DBZ Kai CANON to DBS until proven otherwise.
Saying they are ONLY because DBS follows DBZ Kai is WHAT is need to be proven.
But the problem is : DBS Anime follows the manga and no DBZ Kai. For their flashback and ost, they uses DBZ Kai, but only one to three fillers scene are found
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this dude is high
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you guys must be easily dupable irl
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To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...
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" These flashbacks also seem to show events that are anime-only, for example, during Trunks's flashback we see the Semi-Perfect Cell versus SS2 Gohan fight which is an anime-only battle and never took place in the manga, meaning the DBS anime follows the events of DBZ Kai anime rather than the Dragon Ball manga."Dragon Ball
For detailed information about this series from the Dragon Ball Wiki, you can click here. Dragon Ball (Japanese: ドラゴンボール, Hepburn: Doragon Bōru) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Akira Toriyama. Originally serialized in Shueisha's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Jump from...
To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...vsbattles.com
Again, no. I mean, you only have THIS one? lmao This is not bc there is this filler scene in DBS Episode 47 that DBS anime is DBZ Kai's suite.
Besides, IF THIS IS your proves, then DBS anime should be DBZ Anime's suite since the scene originally come from DBZ Anime and not from DBZ Kai, let alone the manga.
You really don't understand anything and i'm sick of this
I'll say those two things until you understand :
1) DBS anime is DBZ manga's suite.
2) Even if DBS Anime is a continuation of DBZ Kai, this don't made ALL filler scenes added in DBZ Kai CANON to DBS until proven otherwise.
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besides
If DBS anime is DBZ Kai suite BC there is fillers inside then DBS anime should not be canon
Even Toriyama said himself once that the DBS Anime is "a casual continuation of my original mana"
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You must be insufferable
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I don't think you have any room to talk here, you also mocking him.
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My shitposting skills are beyond your comprehension padawan.
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Then a CRT would be useless
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Probally the mostly true thing you said here today.
Nitpicking Canon is really not a good Idea.
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So you think that "Even if DBS Anime is a continuation of DBZ Kai, this don't made ALL filler scenes added in DBZ Kai CANON to DBS until proven otherwise." is false?
wow
you guys are something
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Darth Lies speaks the truth
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this whole argument is goofy cuz chozenshu 4 been confirmed most of everything shared the same canon/worldview
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So you think that "Even if DBS Anime is a continuation of DBZ Kai, this don't made ALL filler scenes added in DBZ Kai CANON to DBS until proven otherwise." is false?
wow
you guys are something
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Yeah? If a story is a sequel of another story, then all events of the former story are canon to the sequel. That's literally what continuity means.
If DBZ Kai added one scene, why would DBS Anime, which is a continuation, not take that scene in account when elaborating the plot? Your point of view is just creating a mess on the whole plot. You're asking for an enormous and unnecessary amount of proof just to acknowledge the simplest thing of all: DBS Anime is a continuation of another story. Then, the events of the previous story also happened in DBS Anime in the past. So, they're canon to DBS Anime.
People have told you countless examples of stories that are "filler" that does not appear in the manga, yet are canon to DBS Anime, also retcons to the scenario of the manga like Trunks getting SSJ after seeing Gohan dying, while in the Manga he had it. So, yeah, all what you call "filler" is just canon to DBS Anime. You don't need an explicit mention of every single difference between manga and anime in every single sequel just to confirm that it is canon on the sequel. That'd be, from a non-powerscaling pov, just a waste of money and time.
If someone's looking at a story, then they look at its sequel, of course they're gonna take the prequel content as canon. Same as when you watch a Season 2 of a Series you take what happened in Season 1 as canon. Even if it doesn't fit the original material from the original source where the references for the series were taken.
You yourself admitted Manga and Anime were different continuities long ago on this very thread. Different continuities have different turns of events. That's what you're calling "filler"; which doesn't make it less valid when talking about the continuity where said "filler" takes place. In fact, said filler; said differences with the original work, is what allows anyone to differenciate between continuities. And what allows, among other things, to make separate profiles of the characters here in the wiki.
So, yeah. As everyone has been telling to you up until now: all events of DBZ Kai, regardless how you clasify them, are canon to DBS Anime. And it'll continue to be like that unless you show some reliable evidence that's not just repeating the word filler and hope we agree with you
Anyway, that's the last comment I'll make about this matter, unless you actually bring evidence.
Oh, and in case you end up making a CRT to change the wiki stance on DBS Anime canonicity, keep in mind to follow Discussion Rules
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Ok let's stop there
You guys are already finished
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DBZ KAi is not an original source, okay? This is the adaptation of the adaptation of the manga
And this is adaptation containts fillers
It's not bc DBS Anime uses DBZ Kai and even one filler that ALL DBZ kai's fillers are canon bc those fillers are FIRST and above all DBZ ANime's fillers
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