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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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StarShooter80
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Extremely cool
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'Gaggle of goobers'
Me when people disagree with me and ask me to present a full argument
Me when people disagree with me and ask me to present a full argument
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Goku and Yujiro are the baddest mofos when it comes to a NON hax H2H fight (ignoring comics), just wanna share some of my thoughts.
First things first: How I treat such a thing - from best to worst.
1. statements + stats gap + visuals + physicals >
2. statements + visuals + stats gap >
3. statements + stats gap>
4. statements >
Side note: With visuals i mean some displayed skill feats like Goku countering Vegetas armbar with a counter roll, Judo throw against Broly, a grasp of what distance is and how to use it or Yujiro showing some grappling. I dont want perfect or many showings. For the first one, verses like kengan, fots, goh, naruto, baki etc. are easier to grasp and give the illusion of being more "skilled" since said martial arts look more spectacular and effective. But some verses like DB req good eyes which some of us learned the hard way in some hardcore-martial arts based russian servers. And solely sticking to that doesnt really tell the full story. Just some showings which supports said statements. Not too many and they dont have to be perfect.
The most important things in such a battle are the character, statements, physicals and the stats gap your fighter has been in. Im ignoring predicition feats since many of them - well at least for me - are in the same tier. What sepperates them is the context/circumstances and I hate to say it but Gokus killer feat makes everything unfair.
Character: Goku views fighting more like a sport and he treats like a friendly sparring match and wants to get the best out of his oponnents. Goku is pretty much the perfect sparring partner in real world terms and every single person wants a guy like Goku, haha.
Yujiro is much more the "John Wick" - type of fighter. You see Yujiro acing like Jiren but it has more to do with Yujiro knowing that hes the most powerful and skilled guy and he does know when to stop playing with the food.
Statements: Yujiro is such a monster. He has the statements and fully understand the mechanics of most/all (its the latter) techniques. Thats such an incredible rare combo, thats whay I got him @Gokus tier.
Goku: Some guys with the reading comprehension skills of Majin Buu think they are smart with using Grandpa Gohans wording as a counter argument. Lets keep it short: We do know that some martial arts in Dragonball have a higher belt system compared to the real world, which could mean just one thing: Traditional martial arts in Dragonball are much more cracked than in the real world. A black belt mundials grappling event is one of the best things in the real world, but in the world of Dragonball it would be a few levels below.
Even if you dont accept it for whatever reasons, Goku has reached Grandpa Gohans level 30 years ago and trains right now with literal gods. Achieved the "pinnacle of fighting" or better known as UI. And im even ignroing that "KI" is more prestigious and harder to learn which is 1 level above traditional martial arts.
So yeah, hes in the same ballpark as Yujiro when it comes to traditional martial arts.
Physicals: If we go just visual then Gokus size of biceps, waits, chest, thigh and big ass neck - puts him in the 200+ pounds range EASILY. But lets ignor visuals and stick to statements.
Physicals in a stats equal match are often "wanked" due them not knowing and fully understanding the science behind that and how humans body works. Or ignoring that your strenght, stamina etc are equal. It works for Yujiro since he got the statements which gives him a strong base and the character to fully abuse its advantages. The only way to be even with him is to match Yujiro in size, statements and character. The only way to BEAT him in brutal fashion is if you are smaller, got the statements and character.
Stats gap:
Outskilling more powerful guys is cool. But thats just one part of the coin. The other part is the powersystem and while Dragonballs system is super easy to grasp, its so unfair. Thats one of the thirst things ive learned when I was reading/watching Dragonball. Have any of you ever played "Diablo"? Diablos talent tree is massive! Now imagin duelling someone in Diablo who "maxd out" every little thing all the way up to the powerful things? Being more powerful means exactly that in Dragonball. 9/10 of verses arent like that - they are more "complex" and not as unfair as DB. In the context of DB, it means you are a straight up omnipotent being, lmao ... just some food for you.
Long story short, Goku already fought a bigger/ more powerful and imo just as talented version of Yujiro: Anime Broly. DBS Broly is Saitama/Garou but on crack. There are other feats in the manga/anime but this is hands down the best feat in the entire DB franchise. Oh and its an insane feat for Broly which debunks him being "just a meathead brawler" since he does share some aspects of a martial artist guy.
The fight:
Even in statements, both have supporting visuals, Yujiro got the advantage character-wise while Goku in stats gap. The keyword is "character". Gokus character is the main reason why its an even fight at the beginning and Yujiro winning some rounds here and there. Goku would enjoy it and start a small talk with him. Goku mid/high diffs him by the end but like I said, adult Goku views it more like a sport which could bring him in some stupid situations against Yujiro but he still got this 6/10.
Adult Goku with OG Gokus character? He works Yujiros body right from the start and destroys his gas tank in brutall fashion.
TL;DR Yujiro respects Gokus hands.
Goku and Yujiro are the baddest mofos when it comes to a NON hax H2H fight (ignoring comics), just wanna share some of my thoughts.
First things first: How I treat such a thing - from best to worst.
1. statements + stats gap + visuals + physicals >
2. statements + visuals + stats gap >
3. statements + stats gap>
4. statements >
Side note: With visuals i mean some displayed skill feats like Goku countering Vegetas armbar with a counter roll, Judo throw against Broly, a grasp of what distance is and how to use it or Yujiro showing some grappling. I dont want perfect or many showings. For the first one, verses like kengan, fots, goh, naruto, baki etc. are easier to grasp and give the illusion of being more "skilled" since said martial arts look more spectacular and effective. But some verses like DB req good eyes which some of us learned the hard way in some hardcore-martial arts based russian servers. And solely sticking to that doesnt really tell the full story. Just some showings which supports said statements. Not too many and they dont have to be perfect.
The most important things in such a battle are the character, statements, physicals and the stats gap your fighter has been in. Im ignoring predicition feats since many of them - well at least for me - are in the same tier. What sepperates them is the context/circumstances and I hate to say it but Gokus killer feat makes everything unfair.
Character: Goku views fighting more like a sport and he treats like a friendly sparring match and wants to get the best out of his oponnents. Goku is pretty much the perfect sparring partner in real world terms and every single person wants a guy like Goku, haha.
Yujiro is much more the "John Wick" - type of fighter. You see Yujiro acing like Jiren but it has more to do with Yujiro knowing that hes the most powerful and skilled guy and he does know when to stop playing with the food.
Statements: Yujiro is such a monster. He has the statements and fully understand the mechanics of most/all (its the latter) techniques. Thats such an incredible rare combo, thats whay I got him @Gokus tier.
Goku: Some guys with the reading comprehension skills of Majin Buu think they are smart with using Grandpa Gohans wording as a counter argument. Lets keep it short: We do know that some martial arts in Dragonball have a higher belt system compared to the real world, which could mean just one thing: Traditional martial arts in Dragonball are much more cracked than in the real world. A black belt mundials grappling event is one of the best things in the real world, but in the world of Dragonball it would be a few levels below.
Even if you dont accept it for whatever reasons, Goku has reached Grandpa Gohans level 30 years ago and trains right now with literal gods. Achieved the "pinnacle of fighting" or better known as UI. And im even ignroing that "KI" is more prestigious and harder to learn which is 1 level above traditional martial arts.
So yeah, hes in the same ballpark as Yujiro when it comes to traditional martial arts.
Physicals: If we go just visual then Gokus size of biceps, waits, chest, thigh and big ass neck - puts him in the 200+ pounds range EASILY. But lets ignor visuals and stick to statements.
Physicals in a stats equal match are often "wanked" due them not knowing and fully understanding the science behind that and how humans body works. Or ignoring that your strenght, stamina etc are equal. It works for Yujiro since he got the statements which gives him a strong base and the character to fully abuse its advantages. The only way to be even with him is to match Yujiro in size, statements and character. The only way to BEAT him in brutal fashion is if you are smaller, got the statements and character.
Stats gap:
Outskilling more powerful guys is cool. But thats just one part of the coin. The other part is the powersystem and while Dragonballs system is super easy to grasp, its so unfair. Thats one of the thirst things ive learned when I was reading/watching Dragonball. Have any of you ever played "Diablo"? Diablos talent tree is massive! Now imagin duelling someone in Diablo who "maxd out" every little thing all the way up to the powerful things? Being more powerful means exactly that in Dragonball. 9/10 of verses arent like that - they are more "complex" and not as unfair as DB. In the context of DB, it means you are a straight up omnipotent being, lmao ... just some food for you.
Long story short, Goku already fought a bigger/ more powerful and imo just as talented version of Yujiro: Anime Broly. DBS Broly is Saitama/Garou but on crack. There are other feats in the manga/anime but this is hands down the best feat in the entire DB franchise. Oh and its an insane feat for Broly which debunks him being "just a meathead brawler" since he does share some aspects of a martial artist guy.
The fight:
Even in statements, both have supporting visuals, Yujiro got the advantage character-wise while Goku in stats gap. The keyword is "character". Gokus character is the main reason why its an even fight at the beginning and Yujiro winning some rounds here and there. Goku would enjoy it and start a small talk with him. Goku mid/high diffs him by the end but like I said, adult Goku views it more like a sport which could bring him in some stupid situations against Yujiro but he still got this 6/10.
Adult Goku with OG Gokus character? He works Yujiros body right from the start and destroys his gas tank in brutall fashion.
TL;DR Yujiro respects Gokus hands.
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Goku (Toei) VS Goku (Manga)
Rules: -Equal Speed -Goku Tree of Might/Post-Gravity Training used (Toei). -Goku Early Cell Arc used (Manga). -The fight takes place on Planet Namek and they are both 5 meters apart. Toei: Manga: Incon:
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Mondo cool.
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Wow...you actually did it? Months after I made that joke? I'm simultaneously impressed by your dedication, and also concerned about your well being after you 100%'d Xenoverse 2.
What did you feel after completing this game? Satisfaction? Anger? Indifference? Or is it another emotion?
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If it only took 12 hours of games time how hard could it be?
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When I went to save the comment, Google Translate messed up my message by translating it into my language, so I'll send it again in summary.
I'm just tired, since the morning I've been playing to finish 100% quickly, I decided to do it today because I wanted to free up more space on my laptop. Today I basically did more than 30 missions/battles in the infinite story + 10 yamcha missions. I lost several hours because I tried the method of creating a new character, finishing the Saiyan saga and doing the Yamcha mission which was basically guaranteed to come quickly. Until I discovered that the 10 missions have to be done with a single character, so I wasted several hours on this for nothing, and I basically had to spend an hour going in and out of missions (it was already one in the morning)
These 12 hours that appear are the hours of play for the week, which was basically just today since I've had the game open since the morning (I didn't play for 12 hours straight, when I took breaks I left the game open)
In total I have 314 hours of xenoverse 2 but I think about 20 hours are open because I got tired of playing and didn't want to close the game (it took a long time to open)
BlastX
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Me:Uses Vegerot when commenting on something related to Vegito (cause I use the English names and Vegito doesn't make sense with those), it's just using a different name, everyone should know who I'm referring to and should not be confused so it doesn't matter.
Every single response I get:Vegerot? You called him Vegerot? Vegerot? Who calls him that? ...Vegerot? Vegerot?
I'm ******* tired man.
Every single response I get:Vegerot? You called him Vegerot? Vegerot? Who calls him that? ...Vegerot? Vegerot?
I'm ******* tired man.
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In before the new fusion is called Vegerot =P
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"Vegerot? You called him Vegerot? Vegerot? Who calls him that? ...Vegerot? Vegerot?
I'm ******* tired man."
Absolutely cooked you, bro, might wanna run ngl
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How might this page be updated with Dragon Ball Daima coming out: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Physiology_(Dragon_Ball)
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It prob won't
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When someone says KI control isnt a thing and asks me why DB guys dont destroy the universe left and right ... there are two answers:
1. Toribots plot manipulation
2. Green dollars plot manipulation: "Toei Animation's financial results for the first half of the fiscal year (April to September 2024) are out, proving that Dragonball still dominates
Dragon Ball alone generated an impressive 12.7 billion yen in revenue, claiming the top spot despite having no manga, anime, or game released in this period!"
Not even pre-Recton beyonder would be able to destroy U7, green dollar notes throws tier 0 punches and calls it a day.
1. Toribots plot manipulation
2. Green dollars plot manipulation: "Toei Animation's financial results for the first half of the fiscal year (April to September 2024) are out, proving that Dragonball still dominates
Not even pre-Recton beyonder would be able to destroy U7, green dollar notes throws tier 0 punches and calls it a day.
Demon_Lord18
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Hyperboles and fallacies
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I meam vegito is a way cooler name than vegerot
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Toei hardly bothers to promote Dragon Ball because it sells itself.When someone says KI control isnt a thing and asks me why DB guys dont destroy the universe left and right ... there are two answers:
1. Toribots plot manipulation
2. Green dollars plot manipulation: "Toei Animation's financial results for the first half of the fiscal year (April to September 2024) are out, proving that Dragonball still dominatesDragon Ball alone generated an impressive 12.7 billion yen in revenue, claiming the top spot despite having no manga, anime, or game released in this period!"
Not even pre-Recton beyonder would be able to destroy U7, green dollar notes throws tier 0 punches and calls it a day.
They did jackshit for Superhero and it made a **** ton of money
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Like they actually put effort into Sparking Zero and it sold 3mil copies in a day.
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If you actually need something to prove them wrong though there's this.When someone says KI control isnt a thing and asks me why DB guys dont destroy the universe left and right ... there are two answers:
1. Toribots plot manipulation
2. Green dollars plot manipulation: "Toei Animation's financial results for the first half of the fiscal year (April to September 2024) are out, proving that Dragonball still dominatesDragon Ball alone generated an impressive 12.7 billion yen in revenue, claiming the top spot despite having no manga, anime, or game released in this period!"
Not even pre-Recton beyonder would be able to destroy U7, green dollar notes throws tier 0 punches and calls it a day.
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Toei is just animation company, what they can only do is advertise anime via PV or advertising boards, that is all, DB owned by Shueisha and of course Akira. So it is actually Shueisha job to promote it
StarShooter80
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On the pages it says that the RoSaT ranges from temperatures of -40 to up to 248 fahrenheit. But in the actual scan the max is 120?
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They converted it from Celsius to fahrenheit. -40 Celsius is also equal to -40 fahrenheit
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Guys, what's the argument about Infinite Zamasu not scaling to the whole future timeline but just universe?
StarShooter80
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Gowasu states that he’s merging with the universe
CelestialVortex01
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How's that relevant? & why'd Zeno nuke the entire timeline if he had only merged with the universe + Gowasu stating that he merging with the universe doesn't contradict the fact that he's merging with the timeline itself.
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i dunno, dude erased several universes cuz he was mad and destroyed several others in a competition cause he was bored, plus he had no way to know what Zamasu was or how far he spreaded
That is assuming this is a fact to begin with
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I mean sure but we don't actually know the context behind him erasing 6 universes and the T.O.P had its own consequences your team loses = bye bye
Also Zeno's mature enough to set a range for his EE he could literally target a single being (Frost), an entire universe (T.O.P & Six universes in the past) and an entire timeline, I js don't see him erasing an entire structure for absolutely no reason or atleast without being a significant threat to it because Zeno could've only erased his essence rather than an entire universe let alone a whole timeline.
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iirc it was because Beerus didn't played hide and seek with him and the other GoD
that is a crazy thing to do when your only motivation is entertaining yourself
.....how does Range = maturity? again, the ToP was an entertainment for him, of course he wouldn't destroy one of the parts of said entertainment just because of 1 guy, not that this remotely relates to the infinite Zamasu situation at all to begin with
again, range translates to "maturity" how exactly? and he did destroy most of the universes(only 1 surviving in the end) for nothing more than entertainment for himself, he didn't NEED to destroy them, he just felt like it and did so
it wasn't without reason, it was to erase Zamasu, he took oversteps before, there is no reason to assume he wouldn't do it here, specially since he is incapable of knowing how far Zamasu was, he had NO way to know if Zamasu fused with the entire timeline or not
this is a lot of "ifs" without a hard proof, Zeno could also not have erased 6 whole universes cause he was angry.......did anyway, he could have NOT erased 11 universes because he wanted to have fun watching a martial arts tournament......he did anyway, he doesn't exactly need a good reason to destroy realities, he is but a child
Yeah Gowasu isn't reliable enough trust me instead
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It's really not, but I'm sure we have some really stupid argument ready. You basically have to assume a lot more, Gowasu isn't reliable, assuming Zeno's mindset, shit like that, basically if you can create any sort 'reasonable doubt' then this site will accept that as reason for not scaling.
Some people have a vested interest in not letting hat scaling through, so they'll buy these semantical arguements.
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Watch I'll create an argument against IZ scaling to the timeline right now;
'Gowasu could've been lying. I won't prove or back that up, but it could be true. We don't know.'
See? I can create the illusion of an uncertainty without backing them up.
'Gowasu could've been lying. I won't prove or back that up, but it could be true. We don't know.'
See? I can create the illusion of an uncertainty without backing them up.
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Moral of the story is we need to go after 5D afterlife instead
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