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no the time he went to the Moon with the rabbit Boss does not count)
There is more things possibly in Sendokai than in Dragon Ball (you know, infinite dimensions vs ...like...12 universes?if you want then they are more, not infinite obviosly)Dragon Ball anything is possible
Soccer show with superpowers about four kids going into a multiversal tournament to save their dimension from a interdimensional empire who enslaves the multiverse...it is pg 7+ and it was transmitted on Cartoon Network in 2013tf is Sendokai
I literally could never have guessed that lmaoSoccer show with superpowers about four kids going into a multiversal tournament to save their dimension from a interdimensional empire who enslaves the multiverse...it is pg 7+ and it was transmitted on Cartoon Network in 2013
not blaming youI literally could never have guessed that lmao
They survived it.first of all, this is months ago, second of all, don't you notice the level of incosistency that is for them to still be on the ******* moon even after it got blown up?also they should not even be alive at all, they were not wished to be revived...ever.
...okay this is not funnyThey survived it.
This is just a cannon statement lmao. Complain to Vegeta.Jiren scaling to Black Frieza is laughable. A gross misinterpretation of the series.
Angel Moro was comparable to UI Goku at the end, y'know? The only issue was his power control. I'll repeait again, but this is VEGETA statement : WE (goku and him) are physically comparable to Jiren, Broly, Moro, Gas and Frieza. This is cannon. The only problem in Vegeta's statement is Frieza because he one shotted everyone, but the rest could fight with Goku Mastered Ultra Instinct, whic h is Goku's current strongest form according to Beerus and Whis.On par by itself just means comparable to or equal, which is obviously not the case for a lot of these characters.
The points as to why he could were already refuted before.
How come Frieza gets to be an exception because of his previous scaling contradicting but not Jiren? There's also Moro who is far inferior to the current cast by miles.
1. What I said here specifically was about how your justifications were formatted and communicated, not how reliable it is. And second I did not admit all of your points at all except for Gowasu's Goku Black statement and Jiren's anime scaling??? You also bring up the Vegeta statement here again when it literally has nothing to do with that.
These changes also impacts Jiren's statistical values (currently >11,059,200,000,000,000c to >282,229,111,000,000,000c) it needs to be a CRT.
In the movie only. In the manga, he PRECISE physically strength. That THEY (Goku and Vegeta) are PHYSICALLY on par with Jiren & Co. We need to stop distorting what was said.Vegeta was talking about the that time situation, not his current powers. During the ToP, Jiren was close in strength to Vegeta and Goku, but he had the upper hand thanks to his relaxed state. Vegeta was talking about the power they had when they fight, not his current strength. We don't know about the current Jiren, but if Superhero Arc Krillin farts, ToP Jiren will disintegrate into atoms
DBZ characters are Relatvistic since Buu SagaIf that is the case, then we can push for Relativistic Base Goku
It's overThey survived it.
Kid Goku I mistypedDBZ characters are Relatvistic since Buu Saga
do you have the manga scan on handIn the movie only. In the manga, he PRECISE physically strength. That THEY (Goku and Vegeta) are PHYSICALLY on par with Jiren & Co. We need to stop distorting what was said.
What Kid Goku? lmaoKid Goku I mistyped
Chapter 93do you have the manga scan on hand
Nah, not what I was talking aboutWhat Kid Goku? lmao
He dodges a mere laser
WOW he is relativistic
then what?Nah, not what I was talking about
I was talking about when Goku went to the moon and back.then what?![]()
applied corrections. Anyone thinking making the match would make it stomp-ish?1,989x advantage for Goku against Goku.
APwise things should go pretty smoothly and i'll start research in other areas to see if this matchmake is possible.
Super Goku will be called S and GT Goku will be called GT, cuz i'm lazy.
That leaves us with GT being barely 2x as strong, ~1000x more LS, while possibly a gap in Intelligence is in favor of S. Why proceed?
- Speed
- Equalization is necessary cuz GT has infinite speed going on.
- LS
- S has a feat that speaks about Billions of metric tons, Class T. GT has a feat that speaks about Trillions of metric tons. Yeah i know the buffs scale to every stat and etc, but do we have anything to tell us that the diff goes below ~1000x? This shouldn't make the match impossible because of something i will comment on in a bit, but quite weird in the beginning, yeah
- SS and Durability
- Scale to AP, nothing to see here
- Stamina
Both have short-period incredible stamina, would say equally so. In the long-term, S is speaking about a ton of resilience and regen/pain enduring (stuff GT has a lot too) while GT speaks about minimizing Ki Drain with the tail and SSJ4 being a particularly energy-efficient (Vs. S being able to use SSJ3 more efficiently. That seems like quite a bit of advantage)
S and GT both overcame stamina issues while use forms that, generally speaking, burn a ton of energy, so let's say that they're equals here- Intelligence
Both are impressive, but the wall of text being barely twice as long for GT (mf, 5283 characters vs 2647, and that's not counting spaces! I highly doubt whoever wrote it has dedicated 1% of the effort for any school/college essays) indicates to me that he's likely going to outsmart S somewhere in the fight!
Apparently S is slightly above here, good advantage for him
Low-Mid Healing, Regen, Ressurection and Zenkai! S is not easy to kill even in those conditions, and having those tools make him waaaaaay harder to kill
Speaking of killing, the way i see it, seems to me like anyone of them can kill each other lol
See, S can ressurect and no limit for it is apparent, and GT has 4 or 5 types of Immortality + Low-Godly regen
Anyone opposing that this would likely turn out as an incon? Or thinking that any side wins?
obvious gag lmaoI was talking about when Goku went to the moon and back.
A gag in a comedy manga, damn what a twistobvious gag lmao
A gag in a comedy manga, damn what a twist
and he used Nyobon. That's not a speed featI was talking about when Goku went to the moon and back.
I mean the better arg is that it only applies to his staffIt's also an Outliner, Hyperbole, Symbolism (And only that), PIS, etc?
yeahA gag in a comedy manga, damn what a twist
Idk why "it's a gag" should matter tbh. By that reason, we should downgrade all gag characters too.obvious gag lmao
we should just no take all feats in gag/comedy moments
Care to provide any evidence that this was a gag or noncanon, or is it just because you believe so?yeah
that's not a feat we can take into account
Every character with Toon Force has all gag feats taken in account. All toons have their justifications beyond tier 9 because of gags. Goku should not be differentwe should just no take all feats in gag/comedy moments
It should still scale to nyobon's attack speed, since it can expand fast enough to reach the Moon and come back in seconds.(anyway he traveled via nyobon, so that's not a speed feat. Rather a "range" feat for his nyobon)
it's litteraly a funny moment and Dragon Ball was gag at the start. Its a fact. Goku even broke a panel at one momentCare to provide any evidence that this was a gag or noncanon, or is it just because you believe so?
Goku is LITTERALY differentEvery character with Toon Force has all gag feats taken in account. All toons have their justifications beyond tier 9 because of gags. Goku should not be different
It should still scale to nyobon's attack speed, since it can expand fast enough to reach the Moon and come back in seconds.