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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Robo432343 said:
No, we need to stop using the RPG guide. It has very incorrect stuff
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YOU WERE THE ONE USING IT??? 😭
Mgebrat282 said:
Because it would be illogical. SSB Vegito gets from 3 universes to 6 universe ONLY from SSB multiplier, so by that logic everyone can get more universes from SSG(SSB is SSG with finite mulitplier from SS1, so in terms of universes scaling it shouldn't matter), but somehow we make an assumtion only for Vegito via statements, but in such case this moment should proof that SSG can give universes cuz ONLY this gave Vegito 6 universes logically.
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This is just re-stating your premise for the millionth time I'm not arguing with this part
Mgebrat282 said:
How would that be unquantifiable if we would know the difference between base and SSG and SSG between SSB?
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We don't know the real difference between base and ssg where are you pulling this
Mgebrat282 said:
I know this ENTIRE wiki is non-canon and just fans yapping and arguing with each other, but isn't it a point? I mean, if we can logically and narrativly consider it as increasing amount of universes, higher dimensions, outerverses, etc, we do it because it's anyway fans sh*t. As if any official source uses vsbw:rolleyes:
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How does this go against my point at all, the narrative doesn't support the idea of SSB increasing the number of universes nor does anything from the actual franchise, this is entirely a baseless hypothetical you propose that isn't supported in the main source material, only something gathered from this wiki's statistical ratings which are just how we quantify feats. If you're just gonna keep re-stating your same points again in the next reply I'm just not gonna talk to you
 
Robo432343 said:
I like how it says the fight between goku and vegeta is comparable to 10 hydrogen bombs, Kamehameha is mountain level and that Frieza's planet busting technique is not actually planet level
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"more than 10 hydrogen bombs", so it's >10 hydrogen bombs. "enough power to level mountains", so Piccolo and Gohan in DBS manga are only planet lvl at their maximum output? If he can destroy something, it doesn't mean it's his maximal lvl of destruction or power. It doesn't say Frieza's attack wasn't planet lvl, just how it practicaly works(and by how it works it can get at planet lvl and higher)
 
Robo432343 said:
like how it says the fight between goku and vegeta is comparable to 10 hydrogen bombs
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An important thing to seperate is that authors are not power scales in 99% of cases. In speaking purely in visuals, that description matches what happens in their fight. It doesn't necessarily make it incorrect.

Robo432343 said:
Kamehameha is mountain level
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It did blow up a mountain tbf


Robo432343 said:
that Frieza's planet busting technique is not actually planet level
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To play Devil' Advocate, the novelization for the Broly movie says Frieza just destroyed the core and Vegeta imploded afterwards, canonically Kid Buu's attack causes magma to swell which blows up the Eartb, and Namek also blew up via core explosion. So the description of the technique, while wrong compared to what we know now, is consistent with how most Guidebooks or extra-material describe planetary destruction where its a runaway reaction.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Four corners here probably are the four quadrants plus yeah that looks like rpg guide lol
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ok but even without using the rpg guide its still portrayed as a finite sphere divided into countable quadrants....like the entire idea of measuring "the macrocosm" as "3x the size of the universe" and that the Kaioshin realm is apparently "1/10th the size of the universe" proves it was never intended to be infinite...also:
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a similar drawing like this is recreated in ch16 of DBS

have you noticed that all other db media is consistent with this model of the universe apart from the daizenshuu? which is like secondary material...
 
I don't understand. Honestly, I don't know how the rankings are done here by the members, or how some people think.

Goku in Z is ranked at the Solar System level? No, no, honestly, that's it. Is what I'm seeing in the Z rankings real, or is it a lie? And another thing, Frieza in Z is ranked at the Superstar level. I don't understand anything. The statements themselves clarified that Frieza in Z could destroy the entire universe, and this was mentioned more than once, and in the end, the evidence is ignored, and he's ranked at the Superstar level. Another thing I don't understand is how Frieza in Z is at the Superstar level, and Goku is only at the Solar System level. Do you know the difference between Goku in Super Saiyan 3 and Frieza at the beginning of Z? There's a huge difference in power at the end of Z. How can they be at the same level when Goku was already at Super Saiyan 3? At that time, he could destroy the Underworld, which is higher than everything, higher than the living world and the heavens. Otherwise, it would be distinguishable, transcending dimensions and encompassing another level of reality. How is this possible? Just explain to me how this is possible, and where are the official statements? He has stated repeatedly that they were at a certain level at that time, and please don't come and say it's an exaggeration because you have no evidence, and you're not the one to decide what's exaggerated. In my opinion, anyone who says it's an exaggeration is a loser and someone who ignores the evidence because it has been stated repeatedly, and it's not something that can be ignored.
 
Robo432343 said:
ok but even without using the rpg guide its still portrayed as a finite sphere divided into countable quadrants....like the entire idea of measuring "the macrocosm" as "3x the size of the universe" and that the Kaioshin realm is apparently "1/10th the size of the universe" proves it was never intended to be infinite...also:
n3r2d2O.png

a similar drawing like this is recreated in ch16 of DBS

have you noticed that all other db media is consistent with this model of the universe apart from the daizenshuu? which is like secondary material...
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The same for Toei😭
 
Ednaxel2 said:
We don't know the real difference between base and ssg where are you pulling this
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I said if we WOULD know the difference between base and ssg
Ednaxel2 said:
How does this go against my point at all, the narrative doesn't support the idea of SSB increasing the number of universes nor does anything from the actual franchise, this is entirely a baseless hypothetical you propose that isn't supported in the main source material, only something gathered from this wiki's statistical ratings which are just how we quantify feats. If you're just gonna keep re-stating your same points again in the next reply I'm just not gonna talk to you
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I mean, if it's based on how we quantify feats that are not quiantified on some specific lvl in any official source, then why we can't quantify it's multiplier, since we already specified SSG and other forms multipliers, cosmology, ect. from the series? And they were stated to be capable of increasing power of a user to another lvl, so why not?
 
Robo432343 said:
ok but even without using the rpg guide its still portrayed as a finite sphere divided into countable quadrants....like the entire idea of measuring "the macrocosm" as "3x the size of the universe" and that the Kaioshin realm is apparently "1/10th the size of the universe" proves it was never intended to be infinite...also:
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a similar drawing like this is recreated in ch16 of DBS

have you noticed that all other db media is consistent with this model of the universe apart from the daizenshuu? which is like secondary material...
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Mgebrat282 said:
Btw, why are DBS anime and Toei separeted, when GT isn't?
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GT is in-continuity with the DB and Z TV anime, whereas the DBS TV anime is accepted as in-continuity with Kai, which is accepted as a sequel to the original series rather than the DB TV anime. The main page is based off of the original series and its derivatives, and the Toei page is based off of the DB TV anime.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
GT is in-continuity with the DB and Z TV anime, whereas the DBS TV anime is accepted as in-continuity with Kai, which is accepted as a sequel to the original series rather than the DB TV anime. The main page is based off of the original series and its derivatives, and the Toei page is based off of the DB TV anime.
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I know that, but I don't quite undestand it. In DBS anime it was stated about Marron, who appered only in DBZ anime(not Kai), Yamcha was a baseball player, when in Kai he wasn't and without DBZ it looks out of nowhere for no reasen, which is obviously not, also in DBS Goku already was in Hell before coming to Frieza, when in GT Goku said he NEVER was in Hell before, even though he was there twice in Z, etc. I mean, should I create CRT about it or just talk about it here?
 
Mgebrat282 said:
I know that, but I don't quite undestand it. In DBS anime it was stated about Marron, who appered only in DBZ anime(not Kai),
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No it was just a little gag at 18 getting mad at Krillin's ex's name and nothing more. That isn't enough to canonize something
Mgebrat282 said:
Yamcha was a baseball player, when in Kai he wasn't and without DBZ it looks out of nowhere for no reasen, which is obviously not,
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No because it was an idea Toriyama gave to the anime staff in his DBZ Memos, you can check the Kanzenshuu blog on it and Toei just reused that idea for DBS Anime
Mgebrat282 said:
also in DBS Goku already was in Hell before coming to Frieza,
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What?
Mgebrat282 said:
when in GT Goku said he NEVER was in Hell before, even though he was there twice in Z, etc. I mean, should I create CRT about it or just talk about it here?
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Pretty sure GT Goku recognized some inhabitants of Hell that he met in the Z Anime. Regardless this is completely pointless because the continuity is already established and the verse is already flooded with low quality CRTs from complete nobodies, which is why I came here cuz I know who's doing this and why
 
Shadow7001 said:
No it was just a little gag at 18 getting mad at Krillin's ex's name and nothing more. That isn't enough to canonize something
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This isn't a gag if we think Kai is canon and don't consider Z, because without Z there is no point for 18 to be angry(Marron didn't exist in Kai) and for us to laugh, because we don't know why she's angry and on who.
Shadow7001 said:
No because it was an idea Toriyama gave to the anime staff in his DBZ Memos, you can check the Kanzenshuu blog on it and Toei just reused that idea for DBS Anime
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I know that some fillers were made with Toriyama, but still, if we don't consider Z as canon for Super, then this moment is just illogical(also in GT Yamcha never played baseball).
Shadow7001 said:
What?
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Goku in DBS acts like he was already in Hell
Shadow7001 said:
Pretty sure GT Goku recognized some inhabitants of Hell that he met in the Z Anime. Regardless this is completely pointless because the continuity is already established and the verse is already flooded with low quality CRTs from complete nobodies, which is why I came here cuz I know who's doing this and why
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My bad, he said he was there ONCE when he fall of from Snake way(filler made by Toriyama), which means that not all fillers for GT are canon, so it means that we can't consider GT as Toei entirely(that we do with Super for some reason).
And now I think that I'll make CRT cuz it's really needs some update.
 
Mgebrat282 said:
This isn't a gag if we think Kai is canon and don't consider Z, because without Z there is no point for 18 to be angry(Marron didn't exist in Kai) and for us to laugh, because we don't know why she's angry and on who.
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We DO know because a significant majority of DBS audience watched the DBZ TV Anime when it aired, so it would be funny to them. Kai is canon because there's actual evidence for it, there's a whole thread for it that you can look at. It's literally just a joke/gag, and this is not enough to canonize something. Actually go and read past threads and see what kind of evidence you need to be able to declare something as canon or connected, you don't know what you're talking about and it's painfully obvious.
Mgebrat282 said:
I know that some fillers were made with Toriyama, but still, if we don't consider Z as canon for Super, then this moment is just illogical(also in GT Yamcha never played baseball).
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How the hell is it illogical? Gregory didn't exist in the Z Manga, he did in the TV Anime and also in Kai and then later on in the DBS TV Anime, does that mean the original Z Anime is now canon to it? Of course not, because DBS just followed another one of Toriyama's memos to the TV Anime staff from way back then. Also why would Yamcha play baseball in GT? He was barely given any screen time at all, how the hell can you use that to prove that he never played baseball in that continuity? What kind of twisted logic in this??
Mgebrat282 said:
Goku in DBS acts like he was already in Hell
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You can't prove that, and declaring something canon or making other massive changes based on how a character 'acts' is such abuse of logic it borders on the comedic.
Mgebrat282 said:
My bad, he said he was there ONCE when he fall of from Snake way(filler made by Toriyama), which means that not all fillers for GT are canon,
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How the hell did you come to this conclusion?? How does Goku recalling that filler prove that not all fillers were canon?? Especially when the Janemba movie IS canon to GT which would prove that Pikkon is canon to GT which means that the filler where he goes to Hell with Pikkon is ALSO canon to GT as well as obviously his visit to Hell in the movie itself. Have you ever actually watched Dragon Ball or read it or did you just watch a few TikToks, thought it looked cool and decide you wanna scale it?
Mgebrat282 said:
so it means that we can't consider GT as Toei entirely(that we do with Super for some reason).
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No, no that's not what it means. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Mgebrat282 said:
And now I think that I'll make CRT cuz it's really needs some update.
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Don't do it. Seriously, don't do it. You're literally getting the details of the series wrong right here with me in this little conversation, you're not prepared to handle a CRT that massive especially since you're just wrong but also because you really shouldn't just try to make massive CRTs without talking to other supporters first, who'll tell you exactly what I just told you. For the sake of all that is Holy, just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Shadow7001 said:
We DO know because a significant majority of DBS audience watched the DBZ TV Anime when it aired, so it would be funny to them. Kai is canon because there's actual evidence for it, there's a whole thread for it that you can look at. It's literally just a joke/gag, and this is not enough to canonize something. Actually go and read past threads and see what kind of evidence you need to be able to declare something as canon or connected, you don't know what you're talking about and it's painfully obvious.
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Man, this doesn't even make sense in theory. If DBZ isn't canon, then we shouldn't know what's happened there, and even less so should it be mentioned in DBS. And DBS has never officially been recognized as canon for Kai specifically. And I've watched the entire thread, and it's quite silly to come to this conclusion.
Shadow7001 said:
How the hell is it illogical? Gregory didn't exist in the Z Manga, he did in the TV Anime and also in Kai and then later on in the DBS TV Anime, does that mean the original Z Anime is now canon to it? Of course not, because DBS just followed another one of Toriyama's memos to the TV Anime staff from way back then. Also why would Yamcha play baseball in GT? He was barely given any screen time at all, how the hell can you use that to prove that he never played baseball in that continuity? What kind of twisted logic in this??
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Again, if Kai is canon to DBS and not Z, then such things wouldn't even be mentioned and the series because we shouldn't even know about them cuz they're not canon to DBS.
Shadow7001 said:
You can't prove that, and declaring something canon or making other massive changes based on how a character 'acts' is such abuse of logic it borders on the comedic.
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This is important for comparison to GT and that Goku was in Hell before, when in Kai this never happen.
Shadow7001 said:
How the hell did you come to this conclusion?? How does Goku recalling that filler prove that not all fillers were canon?? Especially when the Janemba movie IS canon to GT which would prove that Pikkon is canon to GT which means that the filler where he goes to Hell with Pikkon is ALSO canon to GT as well as obviously his visit to Hell in the movie itself. Have you ever actually watched Dragon Ball or read it or did you just watch a few TikToks, thought it looked cool and decide you wanna scale it?
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Fusion Reborn is NOT canon to GT and can't even happen. In Fusion Reborn Goku and Vegeta were died, while Goten and Trunks knew how to use fusion, so it should mean this movie happened before Super Buu, but somehow nobody don't give a sht about Buu who is just, you know, destroying cities and killing millions(Satan is just fkn around and doing nothing somehow, when he should be in his bunker thinking about a plan) and Buu also don't care about what's happening, Chi-Chi and others are just chilling and doing their routine, when they should be at Kami's House, Gohan isn't training with Kaioshins to defeat Buu, Kaioshins also don't care about what's happening. And this movie was never mentioned in GT and never was established as canon to it. In GT Goku is specifically talks about when he falled in Hell, instead of talking about what happened much later and he should remember better(Otherworld tournament). So it looks like YOU are the one who haven't watched DB, so for your punishment you'll watch this tick tock.
Shadow7001 said:
Don't do it. Seriously, don't do it. You're literally getting the details of the series wrong right here with me in this little conversation, you're not prepared to handle a CRT that massive especially since you're just wrong but also because you really shouldn't just try to make massive CRTs without talking to other supporters first, who'll tell you exactly what I just told you. For the sake of all that is Holy, just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Nuh uh
 
Chi-Chi's helmet laser is emitted through a glass lens.
Chi-Chi's helmet laser is described as a "beam of light" (ビーム光線 bīmu kōsen).
Chi-Chi's helmet laser explodes upon vaporizing matter.
Speed of Light attack speed, perhaps?
LegendariumOfLies said:
Do you guys just want to push Class T Saiyan Sage Vegeta? Because that part of the calc has been accepted:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dragon Ball: Vegeta Uses His Ki to Pull & Push a Thunderstorm

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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using shockwaves to wank lifting strength smfh
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Chi-Chi's helmet laser is emitted through a glass lens.
Chi-Chi's helmet laser is described as a "beam of light" (ビーム光線 bīmu kōsen).
Chi-Chi's helmet laser explodes upon vaporizing matter.
Speed of Light attack speed, perhaps?
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Yamcha dodged it as well. If you can push it through, I would be more than happy to calc that
Nullflowerblush said:
using shockwaves to wank lifting strength smfh
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Shcokwaves?
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Shcokwaves?
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For starters,
「喜ぶがいい きさまのような下級戦士が超エリートに遊んでもらえるんだからな……」と、界王拳でパワーアップした悟空の攻撃を難なくかわし、大気が震えるほど激しく気を増幅させ悟空を攻撃。
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He tells Goku, "You should be honored, you know... A bottom-tier boy like you hardly ever gets a chance to play with an elite warrior like me..." He shows that this is no mere boast by easily deflecting attacks from Goku, who has powered up with the Kaio-Ken, then making the air itself vibrate with the force of his Ki before going on the attack.
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Also, in the TV anime, Vegeta's Ki causes earthquakes throughout the planet on-screen; and Goku explicitly describes the phenomenon as vibrations.
 
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