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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:
Goku can breathe whenever he exists King Kai's planet. Kami could breathe when he transported Goku to King Yemma's Palace. Goku could breathe when he visited Frieza in Earth's Hell leading up to the Tournament of Power.
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This doesn’t innately prove that these places have oxygen. For instance, Goku could breathe in the void that remained after the Timeline was destroyed. Whilst obviously this seems on surface level contradictory to space breathing, it’s likely Goku simply couldn’t survive space to the vacuum, and that air itself is less necessary. However, the more important and—I believe potent—Point is that, as seen with the World of Void, beings of high enough stature and power, like the Grand Priest, can make dimensions apply person-specific effects so that everyone is accommodated. So it’s possible Goku simply breathes because he is Goku, whilst the Kaioshin, who lack such needs, do not.
Nullflowerblush said:
Buu's origins have been retconned twice, but I didn't even consider the fact that, currently, he was created before the Majin migrated from the Demon Realm, which means he did exist before even the Multiverse was created—although, not before all of time itself—but the battle with the Supreme Kai was only 5 million years ago regardless. In the Daizenshuu's Chronological Table, Buu's creation and the battle with the Supreme Kai were placed within the same timeframe, which is where I had gotten confused.
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Understandable.
Nullflowerblush said:
Oh, yeah, the gods use a calendar.

Speaking of,
  • In DBS episode 5, Beerus asks King Kai how many years have passed since they last met, and King Kai begins counting one by one using his fingers, before Whis answers with "327", which King Kai confirms.
  • In episode 23, Frieza says he was "strung up like a bagworm moth and left to hang there over a field of flowers forever", being (personally) tortured by the Angels of Hell "every single day".
  • A "hundred million years" have passed since King Yemma crossed Snake Way, as established during DBZ chapter 11; and evidently, one year for Other World is one year for Earth, considering the oni who transported Goku to Snake Way agreed to remind Baba to have Goku resurrected after a year.
  • Gravity cannot exist without time; gravity is defined as the curvature of spacetime.
  • In DBZ chapter 199, King Kai is depicted sleeping, but I don't know if sleeping necessarily requires time.
  • In DBZ chapter 273, Piccolo describes the process of Vegeta's being cleansed of evil and later reincarnated sequentially, which implies time.
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I think everything but Frieza, Piccolo, and Gravity, are valid, here.

1) Frieza is likely unreliable. Obviously days did pass on our side, but I have a hard time imagining Frieza could personally perceive the progression, since his Hell does not seem to have a Day/Night cycle. When Goku arrives at Night to free Frieza, we see his Hell is the exact same and happening as if it is the day. It’s far more likely Frieza simply experienced the progression of time in general and rationalized it with a system he could easily reference. Especially since I recall him asking the exact temporal circumstances around his return—How long he’s been gone and what not.

2) It isn’t uncommon for timeless worlds in fiction to still behave as if they are worlds capable of sequencing. This was the origin of the Timeless Void speed revision, because characters were labeled infinite speed because they performed sequential actions in consistently stated timeless voids, when in reality they were nowhere near that speed and instead the timeless void simply doesn’t inhibit sequencing (somehow).

3) Read 2, but apply to gravity. It is not uncommon for Timeless Voids to still have Gravity in spite of that not being feasible if Time does not exist.

I suppose saying “not valid” isn’t correct here. It would be more accurate to say that they don’t prove for/against the conclusion, because they can be explained by other means with some inferences.
Nullflowerblush said:
Learned what invariant mass and rest energy were yesterday. Could potentially explain what genki is; e.g., "energy of all matter" possibly equals rest energy.
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Not beyond reason. It’s also likely that Moro feeds on this, given he can drain the “Ki of planets” to feed himself, and Ki contains Genki. And given his Ki is a mass of Souls due to this, it could be reasoned (if you wanted to hard science it beyond ordinary powerscaling and chronicling), that even Souls contain this rest energy.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
You hadn't been banned, had you?
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Why would i have been banned?
Gp972 said:
I mean he did a earthquake
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I forgot about that since he is such a unimportant character in general (besides the fact that he is a pervert)
Fezzih_007 said:
I pretty sure we have profiles for less lol.

Monster Carrot only ability is "turn people into carrots" and the Rolling Stone guy who have a useless ass ability, and Komugi, a blind girl who is good at Shogi.
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Komugi is probably the most weird example for me since her only ability is related to a fictional game.
 
Why Goku from the 21st tournament isn't large building level?, i mean he has the same strength as when he defeated general blue
 
Okay i got this scaling chain

Emperor pilaf arc:

Goku(Emperor pilaf arc): >0.744 tons(is 1/10 of his Oozaru self) & >Mach 0.8(is 1/10 of his Oozaru self)

Goku supporting speed feat: Mach 0.71

Goku Oozaru: >7.44 tons(killed grandpa gohan) & >Mach 8(can land hits on granpa Gohan)

21st Tournament:

Goku(post training): >0.744 tons(stronger than before) & >Mach 0.8

Goku(post tail regrow): >1.488 tons(2x stronger than before) & >Mach 1.6(2x stronger than before)

Roshi(21st Tournament) >1.488 tons(comparable to goku) & >Mach 1.6 (comparable to goku)

Goku supporting speed feat: Mach ???(I don't know the calc is conffusing)
Goku supporting AP feat: 1.45 tons

Red ribbon arc

Goku(red ribbon saga): 3.72 tons(defeated general blue) & >Mach 4(is 1/2 of his post koring training self)

The increase in AP and speed is due to the fact that Goku is stronger than before

Goku(post korin Training): 7.44 tons(got x2 stronger) & >Mach 8(faster than tao Pai Pai)

Grandpa gohan: 7.44 tons(comparable to goku) & >Mach 8(comparable to goku)
 
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Fun fact: If we only multiplied Goku's AP from the Pilaf Saga to the Buu Saga, ignoring feats, Goku would be:

City level, Mountain level as a super Saiyan, Mountain level+ as a super saiyan 2, Island level as a super saiyan 3
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Fuuuuck, Goku's power doubling after his tail grows back throws a major wrench in my scaling chain.
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This could also mess up stuff with Gohan, and potentially Toei stuff too (since there are more instances of Tail Regeneration there).

And given Goku regains his Tail twice, I think, so he messes up at least two sections of the scaling.

Also, this opens up the question of: If you lose your Tail, does your PL get split in half? Or does it remain stationary and regrowth doubles over that? It feels implied to be the second one, (as Vegeta is at 24K Post-Earth, Goku losing his Tail didn’t appear to weaken him, and Gohan’s apparent power and potential Piccolo was projecting for Gohan was not afflicted majorly by its loss), but if that’s true, it really opens a can of worms in scaling and feels sort of…cheap?
 
RedReaper616 said:
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This could also mess up stuff with Gohan, and potentially Toei stuff too (since there are more instances of Tail Regeneration there).

And given Goku regains his Tail twice, I think, so he messes up at least two sections of the scaling.

Also, this opens up the question of: If you lose your Tail, does your PL get split in half? Or does it remain stationary and regrowth doubles over that? It feels implied to be the second one, (as Vegeta is at 24K Post-Earth, Goku losing his Tail didn’t appear to weaken him, and Gohan’s apparent power and potential Piccolo was projecting for Gohan was not afflicted majorly by its loss), but if that’s true, it really opens a can of worms in scaling and feels sort of…cheap?
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Well, all we know is that his power increased that time; we don't know if it always happens or if it was just that one time.
 
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