Amy vs Rouge Rematch

[Causalist]

Last time this matchup happened here was in 2020. A LOT has changed since then. Not to mention some arguments in the original thread were kind of flawed in my opinion.

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Spoiler: My thoughts on the last thread's arguments

The funniest argument to deconstruct is the one that Rouge's emphatic manipulation would make Amy fall in love with her. This is a stretch to say the least. Neither Rouge or Amy have any evidence of bisexuality, which I honestly do think makes Rouge even less likely to use it in-character, even if only to win a fight (she only ever used it once in a side mission anyway), and Amy isn't garanteed to be affected by it, since her obession for Sonic is unlikely to be overcome by charm that's only ever been shown to work on male-coded robots. Also, I just realized Rouge is 18 while Amy is 12, so even if Rouge beats Amy this way, she won't be beating Chris Hansen afterwards.

The second argument is that Rouge scales to Knuckles' skill, has better mobillity via flight, and easily defeated Amy and Emerl in Sonic Battle. This is still valid, but less so now that Amy has aquired more experience and skills. Her poison parry, cyloop and mobillity options granted to her in Frontiers help her make up for this disadvantage.

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Anyway, standard battle assumptions
Modern versions used
Battle takes place in Station Square

Amy Rose: 4 (JJSliderman, Gilad_Hyperstar, Omegabronic, ShakeResounding)
Rouge The Bat: 1 (FaceOff81)
Incon:

 

[SJG13673]

Amy wins instantly by using Amy Flash which leaves Rouge to her mercy for whole 20 seconds which is longer than Rouge's 10, tho she will likely not use it right of the bat and i'm honestly not sure if she even remembers she can do that, so she will go in melee with hammer where she will likely be outclassed, tho Frontiers moves might get the thing more even, pretty even to me

 

[Omegabronic]

, so she will go in melee with hammer where she will likely be outclassed,

Amy is far stronger physically than Rouge....so, this won't be able a "overwelming" display per say

 

[Omegabronic]

since her obession for Sonic is unlikely to be overcome by charm that's only ever been shown to work on male-coded robots

.......you meant Love right?.......

YOU MEANT LOVE RIGHT?

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah, Amy being seduced by Rouge could technically happen, but this might also reawaken Amy’s personality from the Adventure era, where she was so obsessed with Sonic she wanted to defeat him in a fight, forcing him to marry her. So idk if it would work.
Plus Amy was capable of boxercising with Emerl and has grown more tactical over the years as a resistance leader, along with having basically all of Rouge’s hax + more.

So I would say Amy wins?

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah, Amy being seduced by Rouge could technically happen, but this might also reawaken Amy’s personality from the Adventure era,

eeeeehhhh, nah, i don't see why it would

Plus Amy is in love of Sonic for years now, pure seduction would do nothing of important here.....i assume at least

where she was so obsessed with Sonic she wanted to defeat him in a fight, forcing him to marry her.

That nevet happened at all......tf are you talking about?

Plus Amy was capable of boxercising with Emerl and has grown more tactical over the years as a resistance leader, along with having basically all of Rouge’s hax + more.

So I would say Amy wins?

Skill wise Rouge takes it, she fought Sonic + Tails + Knuckles at the same time and beat Sonic on his own in battle

Amy is no scrub, but Rouge is simply more skilled

Haxwise tho? Amy has more

 

[JJSliderman]

That nevet happened at all......tf are you talking about?

From Heroes, she wanted to force Sonic to marry her and that’s the reason for their team battle in the Power Plant.

 

[Omegabronic]

From Heroes, she wanted to force Sonic to marry her and that’s the reason for their team battle in the Power Plant.

.......as i said, it was purely a one liner callback from SAv2, her true reasoning was asking about Chocola and Froggy. That is literally the first dialogue she has during the boss fight itself

 

[FaceOff81]

Rouge wins here.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I think Amy have some AP advantage over Rouge due to Sonic Frontiers stuff, and they're comparable in skill, so I think Amy wins high-diff

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

I think Amy has the advantage here just from Haxs and some Frontiers advantages. Also I don't think the charming part would be that effective on Amy, plus Rouge probably has better stuff to gain the advantage over Amy with besides charming. Rouge definitely takes skill over Amy though

 

[MysticMania]

Amy does have her heart attack from the Drift games that should have her license revoked, but, whatever
Even if it's temporary, this should work on Rouge too I think (not as, like, a wincon, but just as a hax).

 

[MysticMania]

https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_Attack
Nothing crazy but it reduces speed of the opponent for a time and reverses their controls.

 

[Omegabronic]

i will vote Amy here fra

 

[ShakeResounding]

FEAR NOT, PEPTO, YOUR SAVIOR HAS ARRIVED.

I'm voting Amy here.

• Due to being Modern keys, Amy no longer has the disadvantage of being an amateur and immature fighter compared to her elder. Leading the Restoration (especially during the Metal Virus) after the Eggman War, as well as her improved status as a tactician (like during the battle to take Angel island from Neo Metal) really lends to her cool-headedness nowadays.
• The Spin Dash (+ Amy Dash) and Boost (+ Power Boost) are moves far more in-character for Amy than Rouge, meaning she has a greay mobility advantage despite Rouge's flight.
• With Parry would overwhelm Rouge, as parrying and attack grants Amy some massive Self-Perception Amplification to the point where Rouge would be attacking in slow-motion. The debuff Poison Parry only aids this, allowing her to harm Rouge in the process.

Overall, I think Amy has had enough time to become a seasoned adventurer and acquire the skills/level-headedness needed to combat Rouge's seasoned skillset and fighting style that gave Knuckles trouble.

 

[Causalist]

Wtf I was not notified on any of the responses I got in this thread. I'll tally up the votes soon

 

[Causalist]

.......you meant Love right?.......

YOU MEANT LOVE RIGHT?

Amy was literally designed to be an obsessed fangirl, hence why she used to have her quills styled just like Sonic's. I agree with you that she's not AS obsessive and insane as most make her out to be, even at her most flanderized, but you can't deny that Amy is, or at least was, obsessed with Sonic. This is not your average crush.

Rouge wins here.

You're gonna have to explain yourself since everyone here is either leaning towards Amy or voting for her outright.

 

[FaceOff81]

You're gonna have to explain yourself since everyone here is either leaning towards Amy or voting for her outright.

Mainly because of Knuckles scaling.

 

[Causalist]

Mainly because of Knuckles scaling.

That reasoning, by itself is... well, ok. I'm counting your vote anyway.

 

[Omegabronic]

Amy was literally designed to be an obsessed fangirl, hence why she used to have her quills styled just like Sonic's.

this is absolutely false in every sense of the word, CD's japanese manual implies that the meeting in Little Planet was her first meeting with Sonic, as in, she literally didn't knew who he was, she looks like him cause the Developers wanted a "Minnie" to Sonic's "Mickey", nothing else

in every single Japanese Manual she appears in, the only reason she goes along to help Sonic is purely cuz she is worried about him fighting Eggman, never to "meet the object of her obsessesion" nor "to meet Sonic" it is PURELY to help him out of worry, nothing more, every game she isn't flanderized? she puts her love for Sonic to the side to help others or for the bigger picture, she NEVER is "i just want Sonic and nothing more" in any material where Flanderization just mischaracterized her

now, i could go on on a multiple paragraph long argument about how absolutely idiotic the "Amy is MEANT TO BE OBSESSIVE OVER SONIC" argument truly is, and how it is the result of years of Flanderization that just made a mandela effect Sans Undertale style......but i won't since this is a VS Thread and this topic makes me specially agitated bordering genuine anger and repulse, and you don't deserve to hear half of what i would want to say about this, objectively, horrendous take, which i know isn't your fault for having

for now i will say, don't even try to argue this in any capacity, you are simply wrong

I agree with you that she's not AS obsessive and insane as most make her out to be, even at her most flanderized, but you can't deny that Amy is, or at least was, obsessed with Sonic. This is not your average crush.

yes, i can, and oh boy i would if this was not a VS Thread, there is NO example where Amy is "obsessive" over Sonic in any capacity outside of horrendous miss characterization, and mostly due to English adaptation being horrible in the 2000s, and even then, only in the most horrifically Character written games like Battle and Free Riders, as said above, i really don't want to say things worth me being banned for in a VS Thread, so i will not write more than this

You're gonna have to explain yourself since everyone here is either leaning towards Amy or voting for her outright.

on this note, i Vote Amy as well, she just has more stuff, is stronger, and isn't inferior in skill enough for Rouge to stomp like she did in the Adventure Era

more hax, stronger, more in character pivotal moves = a rose suffocates the bat here

 

[Omegabronic]

Mainly because of Knuckles scaling.

Amy should be >>> Knuckles anyway.......will have to add that later

 

[Causalist]

this is absolutely false in every sense of the word, CD's japanese manual implies that the meeting in Little Planet was her first meeting with Sonic, as in, she literally didn't knew who he was, she looks like him cause the Developers wanted a "Minnie" to Sonic's "Mickey", nothing else

in every single Japanese Manual she appears in, the only reason she goes along to help Sonic is purely cuz she is worried about him fighting Eggman, never to "meet the object of her obsessesion" nor "to meet Sonic" it is PURELY to help him out of worry, nothing more, every game she isn't flanderized? she puts her love for Sonic to the side to help others or for the bigger picture, she NEVER is "i just want Sonic and nothing more" in any material where Flanderization just mischaracterized her

now, i could go on on a multiple paragraph long argument about how absolutely idiotic the "Amy is MEANT TO BE OBSESSIVE OVER SONIC" argument truly is, and how it is the result of years of Flanderization that just made a mandela effect Sans Undertale style......but i won't since this is a VS Thread and this topic makes me specially agitated bordering genuine anger and repulse, and you don't deserve to hear half of what i would want to say about this, objectively, horrendous take, which i know isn't your fault for having

for now i will say, don't even try to argue this in any capacity, you are simply wrong


yes, i can, and oh boy i would if this was not a VS Thread, there is NO example where Amy is "obsessive" over Sonic in any capacity outside of horrendous miss characterization, and mostly due to English adaptation being horrible in the 2000s, and even then, only in the most horrifically Character written games like Battle and Free Riders, as said above, i really don't want to say things worth me being banned for in a VS Thread, so i will not write more than this


on this note, i Vote Amy as well, she just has more stuff, is stronger, and isn't inferior in skill enough for Rouge to stomp like she did in the Adventure Era

more hax, stronger, more in character pivotal moves = a rose suffocates the bat here

I recalled reading that in an official encyclopedia that I own. It could be a Mandela effect. Don't care enough to re-check. I still think Amy's crush on Sonic goes beyond the ordinary. If you really think your unfiltered thoughts on this topic would get you banned from here if you voiced them, then you might have some anger issues, man. You sure tend to get pretty aggressive when people disagree with you for extended periods of time. Just saying.

 

[FaceOff81]

Amy should be >>> Knuckles anyway.......will have to add that later

No.

 

[JJSliderman]

Regardless of if Amy’s crush was intended or not, it’s still more interesting than Amy just being a girlboss who’s nice to people.

 

[MysticMania]

I am fine with her crush being "toned down" (in comparison to Battle and Heroes, specifically).

 

[FaceOff81]

Regardless of if Amy’s crush was intended or not, it’s still more interesting than Amy just being a girlboss who’s nice to people.

Indeed

 

[Omegabronic]

I recalled reading that in an official encyclopedia that I own. It could be a Mandela effect. Don't care enough to re-check. I still think Amy's crush on Sonic goes beyond the ordinary. If you really think your unfiltered thoughts on this topic would get you banned from here if you voiced them, then you might have some anger issues, man. You sure tend to get pretty aggressive when people disagree with you for extended periods of time. Just saying.

oh no, it isn't that, most of the time i am just decided on a topic, then i argue and step down when i see that i am losing my temper a bit, which rarely happens nowadays

.......this is something that goes way deeper and makes me genuine angry due to very personal reason + Amy being absolute favorite Female char, naturally making me more passionate about the whole point than the rest

i promise, you, i never actually get aggressive, heated? yeah, normal when you discuss things too much, and even then i think i was able to control it pretty well as of recently

this topic however, is one i am really not confident in myself to not just explode, hence why i just voted, explained the basics, and then stopped, just......please don't judge based on that, this is a very specific situation, trust me

Regardless of if Amy’s crush was intended or not

Crush/Love was always there, not what this is about

I am fine with her crush being "toned down" (in comparison to Battle and Heroes, specifically).

aka, how she is in Adventure 1, 2 and Sonic 06..........but everyone threats as if heroes and battle are how she is supposed to be for some reason

it’s still more interesting than Amy just being a girlboss who’s nice to people.

...........she isn't that, she never was that, she never will be that, people just got so used to the mandela effect that the post Adventure Era made that they are blind to what she actually was in the beginning and how the nowadays depiction is trying to restore, everything that made her "her" is finally coming back, her being an annoying "i love Sonic and nothing else" shallow living trope that makes Sonic have to reason to be friends or stand her is boring and bad, and objectively against the point of her dynamic with Sonic


i might create a whole blog on this down the line..........but as i said, i really don't want to get banned over a topic i know i won't be able to control myself, so please, can we stop discussing character here and just focus on the match?

 

[Causalist]

i might create a whole blog on this down the line..........but as i said, i really don't want to get banned over a topic i know i won't be able to control myself, so please, can we stop discussing character here and just focus on the match?

I disagree with the modern era having brought her back toher former SA1/SA2 glory, but yes. We should resume the match

 

[That_moron2]

have any evidence of bisexuality,

Amy is considered bi by one of the Fleetway writers to name just one thing. Also its empathic manipulation, it literally manipulates your emotions so she doesn't need to be

 

[Causalist]

Amy is considered bi by one of the Fleetway writers to name just one thing. Also its empathic manipulation, it literally manipulates your emotions so she doesn't need to be

She is?? That was moreso something I included because I thought it was funny

 

[That_moron2]

Amy should be >>> Knuckles anyway.......will have to add that later

KYS

 

[Causalist]

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[Causalist]

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